SquiddyCracker
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A ton of people are buying used games, in the United States, so this DRM that precludes selling/buying pre-owned games like in the previous gen will have a visible negative effect on the sales of the XBoney.
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Adam Sessler interview: Xbox One's DRM, Always-Online
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A ton of people are buying used games, in the United States, so this DRM that precludes selling/buying pre-owned games like in the previous gen will have a visible negative effect on the sales of the XBoney.
good post,
I understand that the infrastructure is not there yet for everyone but it is the need that will drive the change...
I am having a hard time believing that GAF-global has a large number of people who do not have an internet connection at home beyond their phone? one that only has to come up once every 24 hours for 5 minutes at a time? If this is true than I guess I do live in milk and honey land by comparison
You know.. one of the coolest things I remember as a kid was a road trip to Florida (I'm in IL) with my brother and my dad where we hooked a power inverter up in the van and my brother and I played Mario Kart 64 and Super Smash Bros for the entire 18 hour trip.
while I understand that's an edge case, that type of thing is not going to work with the xbone. that's kind of disappointing, because I'm sure there's a kid/person somewhere that wants to do the same thing.
BlastProcessing
Member
It isn't really about our internet, it's about their internet. As it stands, it is impossible to buy a Xbox one game, you only rent it until the day the servers go dark.
and what kind of voodoo magic will Sony use so that their games are licensed and can play on machine without being in the disk slot?
Why would the game need to be played without the disc in the machine? Download games are not the same as physical retail games.
Just have authoring done via the disc, as it is today.
Chaplain
Member
After watching this interview and the Address the Sess: XBOX ONE Edition! Used Games, DRM, Always Online, I am starting to believe that Adam is bias towards MS. It just seems strange that he has been justifying (spinning) multiple problems that many see with Xbox One. Why would Adam want forced Kinect connectivity (the console will not work without it), forced online for single player games (24 hour checks), forced online activation for all games, and forced DRM unless he wants MS to win and Sony too lose. He then attacks Sony for not announcing what MS announced, and goes out on a limb by saying that they are probably going to force the same things that MS is forcing (in the youtube link I posted). lol
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Erm, what?
I agree, and have had many experiences myself.... nostalgic for a lot of people
but as I said and as the market has dictated (mobile games are starting to kick the crap out of console market) the shift is to a living room box and away form the kids room is for survival of the industry, not for fun. they are competing for a lot less piece of the entertainment pie
they really have no choice going forward to survive as will Sony
the kids room box is dying/dead except for retro gaming... even all the Steam- like boxes are going to need to be online, why are people not freaking out over them? PCs need to be online for the most part as well
Sony premiered their machine with fast game state switching. I assume they want you to be able to be in one game, have the PS4 save the state and quickly fire up another game from HDD to play when a friend invites you without stopping first game, switching discs, starting the game etc.
I know I do
Gamespawn
Member
Non-USA GAF, non-USA everyone that can read this message, please don't equate this users thoughts to the rest of Americans. We don't really think like this. Honestly.
Please accept my humblest of apologies on behalf of USA-GAF.
itsallgoodbaby!
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Chaplain
Member
People are freaking out because they are being forced to do something that they do not want to do. No one likes to be forced against their will. That is what MS is doing, and that is why many have turned against them.
How does this add up when we have numbers saying there are 40 million XBL accounts and 75+ million systems?
Rebel Leader
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I don't know.. I just remembered that this study happened
please I am the least xenophobic person I know in this country (besides you) and have friends in other parts of the word.
I am asking a serious question. since people seem so passionate about this issue and have such outrage.... People seriously do not have an internet connection at home that is up at least 4 minutes a day?
Gamespawn
Member
System bans?
krypt0nian
Banned
Dude, you're seriously a good egg for this. More people need to be this fucking classy.
that is actually illogical to me, sorry.
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and are those 40 million accounts gold/silver on one console?
Is silver even counted as one of those accounts?
Chaplain
Member
It's really annoying how anytime someone doesn't share in the outrage on here, they are considered to be biased.
Gamespawn
Member
Some people live in areas of the USA that only have access to satellite and or dial-up. People move, but, that's still multiple days waiting on service installation without the use of something you paid for and should work. Throw in the whole Sim City fiasco where it wasn't playable for like a month and you should see problems with this situation. Services go down.
most of those points are hyperbolized for maximum impact.
the fact is we don't even have the details of how it works yet, the used game or internet and nobody is bothering to understand that to do gaming form the HDD without a disc -in a world where people still want discs to trade in- something has to change and licensing is part of that. MS has said they will give people a chance to trade in used games... that is beter than DD only is it not?
Again Sony needs to solve this problem too they just have not talked about it yet
So three years ago, the vast majority of console owners in this study were online. I would assume that this number has risen and will continue to rise.
Because there are people who own multiple consoles and use the same account.
Chaplain
Member
I do not know about other instances, but in this one it seems bias. My wife even said that she has thought he has been bias toward MS after listening/watching all of the Adam videos that I have watched.
Journalists are suppose to call it like they see it. They are not to pick sides, but are their to protect the consumer. Adam doesn't seem to be doing that from my point of view.
Rebel Leader
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Same here. I was just noting it
Tylahedras
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Because he's shit on a stick that everyone here likes for some reason. Want the real stuff? Watch Angry Joe on you tube. Not a schill or "industry insider" And definitively not a fucking apologist for horrible companies doing horrible things.
Chaplain
Member
They are only hyperbolized because MS flip flopped, and changed their facts way too many times.
yes I understand there will be times in people's lives where it will be inconvenient, hell there will be times in my life where it will not be optimal or could outright suck. I get that. I am just willing to take the risk for a new future of gaming rather than try to cling to the past.
I want fast game switching, I want DD gams only. I want the same or better functionality of what I get on my smartphone or you can get on a tablet but on my tv... and they were mentioning possibly TRADING in DD copies of games?? that to me is huge step in consumer friendliness. Where else can you trade yor used DD copy of anything for credit?
MaulerX
Member
Really? Microsoft is not "forcing" you to do anything. They'll do their best to convince you to buy the X1, but they're not forcing you to buy one.
Nope. All of them left by 2007. J. Allard being the biggest one that left shortly after the launch of the 360 for Zune, the Surface, then left MS completely.
crazygambit
Member
Well they haven't had a recent event touting their console. If by E3 they still haven't clarified everything we'll be ready with the pitchforks as well.
Because a guy whose Internet persona is based around being angry is the most appropriate person to listen to when trying to find news about a console.
I live in the middle of nowhere for at least another year with satellite internet that is capped at 20 gigs.. 20 gigs I need for my job. I can't buy an Xbone or PS4 if they require an internet connection. At least with steam I can download games in the window where my connection is not capped.
Dark Octave
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I remember this guy from the ending credits of Stranglehold, years ago. You don't forget a name like that.
So the X1 will quickly scan the games you are licensed to have and then no longer need to touch the internet again for 24 hours unless you insert a never before played game? I guess it doesn't need to be high speed in that case but what happens if you go over 24 hours?
I kind of feel like if you don't have internet in 2013 no matter if you can afford it or not, the Xbox One probably isn't top on your list of priorities in your life.
So the X1 will quickly scan the games you are licensed to have and then no longer need to touch the internet again for 24 hours unless you insert a never before played game? I guess it doesn't need to be high speed in that case but what happens if you go over 24 hours?
I kind of feel like if you don't have internet in 2013 no matter if you can afford it or not, the Xbox One probably isn't top on your list of priorities in your life.
If my Internet goes down while I own an X1, will Microsoft credit me for the days I can't access the Internet to play my games?
If I have no Internet, I can't play my games or access Live features. Shouldn't they credit me some of my live subscription fees for however many days my Internet goes down?
I know they won't...
If I have no Internet, I can't play my games or access Live features. Shouldn't they credit me some of my live subscription fees for however many days my Internet goes down?
I know they won't...
reminds me of windows 8.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Should have asked him what Redmond Studios was working on...
Exactly... so that means it's probably less than 40 million systems that have been online as you need at least a silver account to go online.
edit: there's a chance those numbers are US only.
How can you host an event of this scale and not have your message together on what was well established as a controversy/concern?
Chaplain
Member
I see what you are saying.
That being said, Sony is in a great position right now. All they have to do is do the opposite of Microsoft. Let Microsoft continue to force their will on to consumers (if they buy their console); while Sony can give consumers the choice to do things their own way.
I thought you couldn't watch bluray movies on PS3 without an internet connection? This is a great feature!
Tylahedras
Banned
In this case? HELL FUCKING YES.
Not sure if serious...
Beer Monkey
Member
So if Hydro Thunder Hurricane 2 comes out for Xbox One, you'll need to buy $60 worth of licenses to have a 4-player splitscreen gaming session, where it was only $15 on 360?