floatingcoffins
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Is there still time for coding to the metal?
That's you secret sauce right there - saying a 40% performance difference will be mitigated by great architecture choices on MSes side and not so great choices on Sony's sounds like secret sauce to me.
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Tell that to the PC people. Yikes.What gets me is why people want it to be more powerful? Why? It's fine the way it is. Just look at Gears 1 and then look at Gears 3. Xbox One games will get better as the years go on. Will they get astronomically better? No and it doesn't matter. It really really doesn't matter.
I can't tell anymore if this is serious or master troll.
seriously...you guys have to go read this stuff...its unreal...
The PS4 should be stronger on day 1 than the Xbox One. It has more raw power and the more straightforward architecture.Which is the perfect kind of rumor because it can't be debunked; just one person's claim against another's. (Well, at least until mature software comes out and performance differences can be quantifiable measured.)
The problem of course will be though that the first wave of games is unlikely to dig into the nuances of either system, so none of these games will run as well as they can or take advantage of either's strengths. So we'll see this debate continue to rage, maybe for years, until something actually comes out that shows it one way or another.
I was getting a bunch of people asking about it, so just wanted to put it to rest.
Tell that to the PC people. Yikes.
Well I know its probably been a bummer for PS3 owners this gen to see so many multiplatform titles underperform on that console in comparison to the 360. Nobody wants to be in the position of buying the console that has to cut some corners, disable some effects, or introduce tearing or framerate issues (or worse) with their games.What gets me is why people want it to be more powerful? Why? It's fine the way it is.
I was getting a bunch of people asking about it, so just wanted to put it to rest.
I'm inclined to believe the PS4 is substantially more powerful based on the spec sheets alone. Also a few brave developers dropping a hint here and there.
However, Microsoft designed a very smart console in the Xbox 360. They had foresight on many fronts when designing that console, which allowed them to update their OS over time, and add things like party chat, etc. So part of me doesn't believe Microsoft would design a console that puts them at a substantial disadvantage.
That's you secret sauce right there - saying a 40% performance difference will be mitigated by great architecture choices on MSes side and not so great choices on Sony's sounds like secret sauce to me.
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With all due respect, I don't believe Albert. Compare the 7850 (1.76TF) with the 7770 (1.28TF). The performance difference is staggering. Now both the PS4 and Xbox One have better GPUs than the aforementioned (1.84 vs 1.31). However, the gap between the two console GPUs is greater than the gap between the two AMD GPUs that I have just mentioned.
Penello is still adamant that the power disparity between the two consoles is still not as huge as commonly believed. Based on the data we currently know, do you tech savvy guys believe there is any feasible way that he could be correct or are his arguments just damage control?
Holy shit
Well I know its probably been a bummer for PS3 owners this gen to see so many multiplatform titles underperform on that console in comparison to the 360. Nobody wants to be in the position of buying the console that has to cut some corners, disable some effects, or introduce tearing or framerate issues (or worse) with their games.
I think we're in the age of diminishing returns. Let's say all other things being equal XB1 multi-plats run at 720p and the PS4 is 1080p (not an unlikely scenario). Do you think these are big differences? I sure don't and I doubt your average consumer will either.
I was getting a bunch of people asking about it, so just wanted to put it to rest.
MS seems really adamant about these power rumors being false.
With all due respect, I don't believe Albert. Compare the 7850 (1.76TF) with the 7770 (1.28TF). The performance difference is staggering. Now both the PS4 and Xbox One have better GPUs than the aforementioned (1.84 vs 1.31). However, the gap between the two console GPUs is greater than the gap between the two AMD GPUs that I have just mentioned.
Here is badb0y's writeup:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=74541511&postcount=621
I do not see how Microsoft will mitigate that gap unless they're using some sorcery.
It's like a case study of how mental illnesses manifest in writing. It's simply fascinating.
I've been visiting it every day since someone posted it last week to read what he writes and what commentators post. It's amazing.
I seriously thought it was a secret Sony fanboy parody page trying to get Xbone fanboys riled up.
Is there somethin incorrect with what I wrote?
Misterx am cry.
Wonder if he'll still claim it's just super top secret.
That would be a much larger resolution gap than on multiplatform games this gen that ran much better on the 360.
That's what panello implied - read what I quoted again. How else could he arrive at the conclusion that a 40% difference in paper specs will be balanced out in the end?Yeah, you said Sony made some not so great choices with hardware design. Thought it was an odd comment to make.
Haha yeah.To be fair to Microsoft, you can't really expect their PR to be like "Yeah, we done fucked up. There's a 40% difference here, you guys. Did you hear me?? Forty fucking percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?"
I don't think the difference will be 720p and 1080p.I think we're in the age of diminishing returns. Let's say all other things being equal XB1 multi-plats run at 720p and the PS4 is 1080p (not an unlikely scenario). Do you think these are big differences? I sure don't and I doubt your average consumer will either.
People just have to accept that Microsoft is concerned with other areas of innovation besides graphics.
"That takes years. We want results now!" says Powerpoint-Presentation watching guy in a meeting.3). Make great games.
So, triple GPU confirmed.
To be fair to Microsoft, you can't really expect their PR to be like, "Yeah, we done fucked up. There's a 40% difference here, you guys. Did you hear me?? Forty fucking percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?"
But my understanding as far as the PS3 was that it was that way because it had goofy architecture. The Xbox One and PS4 have almost the same architecture so I wouldn't imagine that the games would be that different.
What gets me is why people want it to be more powerful? Why? It's fine the way it is. Just look at Gears 1 and then look at Gears 3. Xbox One games will get better as the years go on. Will they get astronomically better? No and it doesn't matter. It really really doesn't matter.
What gets me is why people want it to be more powerful? Why? It's fine the way it is. Just look at Gears 1 and then look at Gears 3. Xbox One games will get better as the years go on. Will they get astronomically better? No and it doesn't matter. It really really doesn't matter.
I see he put to rest the power difference between the 2 as well. I'm glad to see someone in the know actually clarify there is no power difference, even though one system has more power.
Thanks Albert
Considering with each resolution jump there are diminishing returns, particularly when people sit away from their TVs it really isn't a big deal. That's why I think the real world differences won't be a big deal to most consumers. I suspect that's what Albert Penello is referring to.
I don't think the difference will be 720p and 1080p.
Also this comment about the Xbox 360 from May 2005 and "diminishing returns":
Exactly, I never understood the concern. If anything, people should want both consoles to do well because competition promotes innovation. I don't want to live in a world deprived of choice, where all we have is one console.
I just want great games, graphical fidelity isn't everything. Both consoles will be capable of rending amazing looking textures.
I agree that the average consumer won't notice. I'm not so sure that's what Albert is talking about. I believe he's going to argue that their console is "tuned" and "balanced" better than Sony's. That when you add it all up in the real world, the differences will be trivial in most cases.
"Perf. differences are greatly overstated."
how could he say this if he don't know the changes that Sony done to their SoC?
the changes Sony made could have been a lot better than the changes that they made so the differences could be bigger than what people think.
just a thought.
That's what panello implied - read what I quoted again. How else could he arrive at the conclusion that a 40% difference in paper specs will be balanced out in the end?