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[AnathemicOne]

It indeed was not. You could, in fact, argue that it was even worse though. Because by reelection Obama was already under criticism for actually using drones in ways many considered immoral. Not just saying he would do so. Meanwhile we all watched every day as people on both sides waved Trump's talk away as "Eh, he'll get more moderate if he wins the primary/the general. It's just talk."

So if you voted for him then, were you saying you were okay with that, and every single other thing that Obama did? Or were you voting for any number of different reasons?

Most people are single-issue voters. For a lot rich people, that single issue is money. If Trump says he's gonna save them money, they'll get his vote. And a lot of those people justified that vote by saying "He didn't mean all that shit he said, that was just campaign talk."

They were wrong, and they were absolutely stupid to justify it that way in the first place. But they aren't racist. If they continue to support him, or vote for him again? That's the real measure.

And again, even at re-election, Obama did not run a campaign on drone strikes. No, people aren't beholden to support their candidate's decisions and are free to criticize. See, the difference here, again, is that the Trump package of racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry was explicit. It might be campaign-talk but when your candidate actually follows through in what was advertised then there's no excuse but to own up to it. And if they won't own up to their stupidity then I'll force it upon them wherever I cast my gaze.

 

[wildfire]

Why is calling someone a nazi worse then trying to kick out "the other" and voting for someone who promises to keep your area white. Seriously these people want horrific things, your grandmother voted for horrific things, a label is nothing compared to what she's actually supporting. The Muslim people wish the worst they were getting were a label right now.

Well Nazis want the other dead. Genocide is one step beyond segregation.

It's a step I would say almost all of these Trump voters would tolerate and not publicly condemn, let alone switch sides for.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Everything Trump has ever said is bullshit. He contradicts everything he says two or three ways. It doesn't change the fact that his base counted on him to be isolationist, based on a lot of things he did say while ignoring others, and when he intervened is the only time they hit back at him.

Now, you're just flip flopping the argument. We're talking about how he ran his campaign, and he clearly said those things. I don't give two shits if his base tuned it out and went 'la la la' while he said it, motherfucker was hawkish as fuck

 

[Toxi]

Here comes that Fisher Price punditry again. Gotta start finding a way to make money every time someone says this anti-intellectual tripe.

Aint no one losing any elections calling spades a spade.

I'm firmly convinced Trump won because LEGO canceled their Bionicle toy line.

 

[Micael]

The idea, that everyone that voted for trump believes everything he stands for is at best incredibly ignorant, by the same extension everyone that voted for Obama believed in all the things he did, which included a heavy expansion of the drone program which is used to kill a lot of innocents, and an absurd amount of spying on american citizens without due process.

Yet pretty sure a lot of people that voted for Obama didn't really want any of this, it just came with the package and they took the bad with what they perceived to be good, why shouldn't the same old true for Trump?

Which isn't to say that I think voting for Trump is a good decision at all, he is in fact a racist, homophone, xenophobe, misogynist, and a straight up idiot, but voting for him doesn't equal liking all of that or even being ok with all that, its an insane false equivalence.

More importantly I would also argue demonizing everyone that voted for him instead of trying to change their minds by presenting facts is not exactly helping the cause, ignorance is solved by education not by calling it names, but who knows maybe nazi Germany grew into modern day Germany due to name calling instead of actual education.

 

[TyrantII]

I find it funny people don't think the Nazis had kind grandmothers.

That's the problem. The Nazis were normal humans like any of us, not infallible comicbook monsters.

That's the warning. That's why what's going on is so disconcerting.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

My dad sent me and my brother an email all about how black people and latinos voted for Trump. So that means he's 100% not racist.

 

[Lord Frieza]

The idea, that everyone that voted for trump believes everything he stands for is at best incredibly ignorant, by the same extension everyone that voted for Obama believed in all the things he did, which included a heavy expansion of the drone program which is used to kill a lot of innocents, and an absurd amount of spying on american citizens without due process.

Yet pretty sure a lot of people that voted for Obama didn't really want any of this, it just came with the package and they took the bad with what they perceived to be good, why shouldn't the same old true for Trump?

Which isn't to say that I think voting for Trump is a good decision at all, he is in fact a racist, homophone, xenophobe, misogynist, and a straight up idiot, but voting for him doesn't equal liking all of that or even being ok with all that, its an insane false equivalence.

More importantly I would also argue demonizing everyone that voted for him instead of trying to change their minds by presenting facts is not exactly helping the cause, ignorance is solved by education not by calling it names, but who knows maybe nazi Germany grew into modern day Germany due to name calling instead of actual education.

Okay, sell me on Trump without those things

 

[Faustek]

There's also:

5. Sexists.
6. Gun crazies.

At least those seem to be the primary reasons the filth in my family voted for the jackass.

Still don't understand how it's going to be OK to have guns in school but not at Trumps NRA speech.
.

Politically neutral lol.


I can't stand this sort of virtue signaling bullshit

What is politically neutral? To me it's either, don't care, don't believe it'll affect me or just having ones head shuved up your own arse.

 

[JordanN]

I don't believe all Trump voters are Nazis but in no way will I ever feel sympathy for them.

I don't care about age either. Look at John McCain. Dude is 80 years old and literally has Vietnam experience. Yet even when Trump called him a poor loser for fighting that war, he still tows the line and sucks his dick.

Now imagine 62 million other people who still went out and voted for Trump. They knew about his bullshit rhetoric but still bow down to him anyway.

 

[Lord Frieza]

The idea, that everyone that voted for trump believes everything he stands for is at best incredibly ignorant, by the same extension everyone that voted for Obama believed in all the things he did, which included a heavy expansion of the drone program which is used to kill a lot of innocents, and an absurd amount of spying on american citizens without due process.

Yet pretty sure a lot of people that voted for Obama didn't really want any of this, it just came with the package and they took the bad with what they perceived to be good, why shouldn't the same old true for Trump?

Which isn't to say that I think voting for Trump is a good decision at all, he is in fact a racist, homophone, xenophobe, misogynist, and a straight up idiot, but voting for him doesn't equal liking all of that or even being ok with all that, its an insane false equivalence.

More importantly I would also argue demonizing everyone that voted for him instead of trying to change their minds by presenting facts is not exactly helping the cause, ignorance is solved by education not by calling it names, but who knows maybe nazi Germany grew into modern day Germany due to name calling instead of actual education.

Oh my god, I missed this paragraph when I read this the first time. Tell me your ass did not type this shit, son

 

[Cyframe]

Please help me understand. A few overly passionate individuals call Trump supporters nazis or at the very least complicit because they knew exactly what he promised and still said okay. I don't see that as oppression.

Meanwhile, I have to be concerned with Jeff Sessions, a person who Coretta Scott King herself was too racist to sit on a judicial seat who is now Attorney General.

I have family who voted for Trump, and even though I love them, I don't really respect their voting choice because what Trump is doing isn't a surprise, they knew and said, overtly or not, If Trump will allow me to stand on the backs of minorities to get ahead, I'm okay with that.

I have no desire to outreach to his supporters. I'd rather spend my time helping those who have been disenfranchised from voting and getting non-voters into the pool. Those groups are bigger than Trump supporters.

When I try to talk about issues I have with Trump, the only response I get is to wait and see what happens, even after things like his Muslim ban. That's absurd.

Of course, a voter doesn't co-sign on executive orders, but I think people, especially minorities have the right to be a little peeved with how circumstances came to be. But what I mostly see is how, we should be rubbing Trump supporters bellys and try to empathize with them. That isn't going to happen, for me anyway.

 

[RDreamer]

And again, even at re-election, Obama did not run a campaign on drone strikes. No, people aren't beholden to support their candidate's decisions and are free to criticize. See, the difference here, again, is that the Trump package of racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry was explicit. It might be campaign-talk but when your candidate actually follows through in what was advertised then there's no excuse but to own up to it. And if they won't own up to their stupidity then I'll force it upon them wherever I cast my gaze.

The other big difference is that come presidential election time these choices aren't made in a bubble. There's another choice on the ticket and that other choice offers up their competing view and what might change. If Romney had campaigned on stopping the drone strikes and easing up on that, then people would have a bigger point about voting Obama over Romney. That would be part of the decision. Romney didn't, thus most of us could assume, especially considering who was on his foreign policy team, he would do as much or possibly worse.

With the Trump vs Hillary campaign there was a distinct choice. Hillary wasn't jus letting him say what he'd do and agree to do that also or not say anything. She said that is absolutely NOT what we should do and she stood opposed to the racism and the racist policies. It was a clear choice during that election in a way that Obama's drone strikes were not.

 

[Magus1234]

Okay, sell me on Trump without those things

He is going to run the US like a business, stop outsourcing and invigorate the middle class. Is it really hard to see what message was spread to get millions of Americans to vote for him?

 

[richiek]

To the OP:
My janitors who voted Trump act every part the old nice grandpa and grandma. But when you talk to them it's pretty obvious that deep down they have fairly racists beliefs. Like randomly mentioning that Mexicans can be pretty lazy and that they have tats and are thugs.

Yep. The coworker that I mentioned earlier was okay to get along with and talked non political stuff like movies and games. But then he'd talk to his fellow right wing friend about how Muslims are going crazy raping and murdering in Europe.

 

[Messofanego]

Some people just can't accept that millions of people made a bad decision based on lack of knowledge or willful ignorance or single issues that only affected their privileged self. Or they were also bigoted. Not all Trumpers are bigots but they definitely showed their ass by voting for him.

If you can't handle being complicit with that, tough shit.

Don't bring childish "but they're not evil people!" morality into this.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I mean, you had to know when you voted Hillary that she's said and done horribly racist shit, too. Has anyone here self-reflected on this at all? (If not, why the expectation that Trump voters would do the same?)

Spoiler

Waiting for the "both sides" false argument to appear.

 

[APF]

trump was objectively the most transparently racist mainstream Presidential candidate in modern history. If you're ok with supporting that, then you may not be a "Nazi" (although he definitely, specifically, courts their votes!) but you're certainly OK with policies and rhetoric that excites and invigorates their movement.

 

[Violence Jack]

Not all of them are racist. But they support a president and party that wants to ban Muslims, lower educational standards, gives tax breaks to the rich, tells women what they can or can't do to their bodies, doesnt believe in separation of church and state, hates the LGBT community, sees women as not being equals, destroying our environment, being isolationist, thinks BLM is a hate group, etc.

When you support a villainous regime, then you accept everything that goes along with it. To Trump supporters, that was just fine with them regardless of who it hurts.

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

My entire family minus me and my siblings voted trump. None of them are racist, just grossly misinformed.

They believed trump wasn't really misogynistic and that was legit a leak of him being a moron trying to sound tough. "Is that really what you want in a leader?" "Well he's going to fix corruption and [list of scandals Hillary was involved in]"

You can definitely label some Trump supporters as misinformed. But people thinking this shows how people are still okay with today's misogyny and racism because "that's how everyone talks about women or minority! I'm/They're just saying it how it is!" It's very telling that Trump voters are okay with his misogyny and his other worse scandals but people feel threatened of Hillary because she stupidly deleted her emails and looks like a power hungry feminist running for president.

Trump did take advantage of the US lack of interest in politics and conned many people and is still doing so today. I hope future parents of the US know the importance of informing their children their right to vote and to be politically active for themselves and their country's democracy.

And those morons were always monsters and didn't speak out because the US had a higher moral for their democracy and their society then. Now that is has vanished, they can say what's on their mind without repercussion.

 

[SpaceWolf]

I mean, you had to know when you voted Hillary that she's said and done horribly racist shit, too. Has anyone here self-reflected on this at all? (If not, why the expectation that Trump voters would do the same?)

What horribly racist shit are you referring to, exactly?

 

[SkeptiMism]

I understand how painful it must be to see your family doing fucking stupid things. And I understand it can hurt to see other people generalizing your family along with others who probably did it for even more nasty reasons.

But sometimes it's good to look at your close ones with a skeptical eye too. At the very least, they condoned the horrific shit Trump pulled. And if you really talked to your grandma, it's not unlikely that you'd find a lot of nasty bullshit coming from her mouth.

Still though, it's probably also a good idea to ignore some of the worst comments. No, they're probably not as bad as actual nazis. But again, that doesn't really absolve them of voting for a racist.

There's a pretty important difference though. Obama didn't run his platform on using drone attacks. Trump ran his campaign on every single ugly thing we know of now. You aren't expected to be able to divine the future.

If you followed the news at all, at least before his second term you'd have known he's gonna do it.

Voters of Obama should make their peace with that choice. To some extent, those innocent lives being killed were the fault of those who voted for him.

Not saying it's equivalent to Trump though, but the original guy that Emerson quoted does have a point. Just like the people who voted for Trump aren't absolved of the responsibility of getting in a president who is a racist piece of shit, Obama voters aren't really absolved of the responsibility of innocent lives being killed.

 

[Emerson]

And again, even at re-election, Obama did not run a campaign on drone strikes. No, people aren't beholden to support their candidate's decisions and are free to criticize. See, the difference here, again, is that the Trump package of racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry was explicit. It might be campaign-talk but when your candidate actually follows through in what was advertised then there's no excuse but to own up to it. And if they won't own up to their stupidity then I'll force it upon them wherever I cast my gaze.

I want to be very clear about my position here:

People, now that they've seen what Trump is actually doing and saying, have no excuse for not criticizing it, and if they voted for him, owning up to their mistake.

That does not mean they are a Nazi or a racist simply for voting for him. It means they were naive and foolish to believe he wasn't going to do what he said. But lots of people were saying that on both sides, until he took power and started doing it all right away.

Someone who today, knowing what Trump is doing, still supports him? Call them whatever you like.

He is going to run the US like a business, stop outsourcing and invigorate the middle class. Is it really hard to see what message was spread to get millions of Americans to vote for him?

This is why the voters in Pennsylvania, etc., where he actually won the election, voted for him.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Why did they vote Trump? You didn't even say?

 

[Lord Frieza]

He is going to run the US like a business, stop outsourcing and invigorate the middle class. Is it really hard to see what message was spread to get millions of Americans to vote for him?

He was a failed business man who bankrupted a casino and refused to release his tax returns to show how much success he actually had. Next.

 

[MUnited83]

He is going to run the US like a business, stop outsourcing and invigorate the middle class. Is it really hard to see what message was spread to get millions of Americans to vote for him?

At which point the dumbass idiots should have looked at all his failed businesses and how has never given a shit about the middle class in his life.

If it is this fucking easy to become President we should just have someone in 2020 promising eternal happiness, world peace and free candies for everyone, they should won easily since apparently there are millions of people that are dumb as fuck.

 

[Toxi]

More importantly I would also argue demonizing everyone that voted for him instead of trying to change their minds by presenting facts is not exactly helping the cause, ignorance is solved by education not by calling it names, but who knows maybe nazi Germany grew into modern day Germany due to name calling instead of actual education.

Wait, what

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

What horribly racist shit are you referring to, exactly?

That time she called our people fucking superpredators, man. SUPERPREDATORS.

Sounds Trumpian as fuck now, honestly.

 

[EdibleKnife]

He is going to run the US like a business, stop outsourcing and invigorate the middle class. Is it really hard to see what message was spread to get millions of Americans to vote for him?

Yet if the voters were receptive to facts, they would have taken into account the multiple times Trump has driven businesses into the ground and cut and run with money simply to bolster his company and repair his own bankruptcies. It was also made crystal clear during his campaign that he was not a good business man.

More importantly I would also argue demonizing everyone that voted for him instead of trying to change their minds by presenting facts is not exactly helping the cause, ignorance is solved by education not by calling it names, but who knows maybe nazi Germany grew into modern day Germany due to name calling instead of actual education.

You mean through a fucking World War that killed millions in order to nip Nazism as political powerhouse in the bud, right?

 

[Nepenthe]

I also think the idea that people felt he was putting on a show with the racist rhetoric is just as bad.

You voted for someone who was obviously lying to your faces (despite calling Hillary the biggest liar ever, because clearly honesty is important to you) in order to stoke the fires of the "real" idiots who get off on that kind of racist crap (why do you want a President who courts bigots, especially when you're complaining that you're being associated with bigotry), and hinged everything on the belief that he wouldn't actually be serious about any of it (throwing the concerns of minorities who also took him at face value under the bus, in turn proving yourselves to at least be casually bigoted).

There is literally no upside to this particular narrative. You might as well say "I wanted my job back."

 

[Magwik]

Being complacent with Trump is just as bad as those encouraging the neo Nazis

 

[NoblesseOblige]

This is why the voters in Pennsylvania, etc., where he actually won the election, voted for him.

As someone who has lived in rural Michigan 80% my life, no it's not haha.

 

[RDreamer]

Can we just admit that this entire backlash for calling Trump supporters racist is based on white fragility and how it seems to be the worst thing in the world to call someone racist. Worse than the effects of racism.

Let's just be honest with this. Voting Trump was a racist action. Full stop.

 

[Jmanunknown]

Everything Trump has ever said is bullshit. He contradicts everything he says two or three ways. It doesn't change the fact that his base counted on him to be isolationist, based on a lot of things he did say while ignoring others, and when he intervened is the only time they hit back at him.



This is a nightmarish world you are suggesting, in which the only possible action to take during an election is to not vote at all.

No you take the good with the bad. Their is no such thing as a perfect candidate and most people are not gonna 100% agree with a candidate. That is not a nightmarish world that is the real world.

I fucking hate Trump, but you're deluding yourselves by turning this into a "45% of the country are Nazis!" situation in your minds. It is so obviously not true that it boggles the mind that you could even believe that. And you will lose again if you continue to think about it that way.

Your math is bad only 26% of the eligible voters in the country voted for Trump. A lot of people chose not to vote for whatever reason and that is their right. I like how you keep sticking to the talking points.

 

[Siegcram]

You don't get to abdicate the responsibility of putting the most incompetent, hateful and ignorant administration in modern times in office.

The motivations of your sweet old grandma don't fucking matter. She voted for this sack of feces, she gets shit when he turns out to be the same pig he's always been.

Own your own damn choices. So sick of this absolving bullshit.

 

[AnathemicOne]

If you followed the news at all, at least before his second term you'd have known he's gonna do it..

And here's the clear difference. A good number of us did do our research and made peace with that decision because we don't vote in a bubble. We had to go out of our own way to derive the information that Obama intentionally hid during his re-election campaign.

Trump, again, explicitly campaigned on racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry. There's no getting around this, you cannot set up this equivalency without fallacy because the package was made clear and the fucker is going through with it, surprise surprise.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Not every German was a nazi.
Not every NDSAP voter was a nazi.
Not every...

You are responsible for what you support and thereby what you bring into the world. I don't give a shit about your excuses. Ihre Schuld.

This is what I was going to bring up. You can't just ignore the massive amount of dog whistles, outright racisms, misogyny, xenophobia, etc coming from Trump and his campaign. Especially not when he surrounded himself with outright neonazi's and other open racists and made it a huge part of his campaign.

If you voted for Trump, that means were either in agreement with that shit, or you were okay turning a blind eye towards it.

 

[Got]

You don't get to abdicate the responsibility of putting the most incompetent, hateful amd ignorant administration in modern times in office.

The motivations of your sweet old grandma don't fucking matter. She voted for this sack of feces, she gets shit when he turns out to be the same pig hes always been.

Own your own damn choices. So sick of this absolving bullshit.

.

 

[Magus1234]

Yet if the voters were receptive to facts, they would have taken into account the multiple times Trump has driven businesses into the ground and cut and run with money simply to bolster his company and repair his own bankruptcies. It was also made crystal clear during his campaign that he was not a good business man.

What facts? What information? People aint got time for that, I hear a sound bite here, a facebook message there and suddenly it's a middle class champion vs crooked pedo Hillary.

 

[Baroquemantic]

Voting for trump at minimum means you are ok with racism, homophobia, misogyny and being willfully ignorant. They might be your friends and family, but lets call a spade a spade

Really all that needs to be said.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Wait, what

Yeah, I caught that the second time, too. I'm sure it wasn't the name-calling, sure, it was probably more to do with the war where we fucking killed a large part of them, the trials that proceeded after we found just how big the holocaust was, and the intense public shaming the Germans had to endear which included banning all Nazi shit. But maybe education was it, I dunno, I'm not a doctor

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Sounds to be like your grandmother supports some really heinous shit and you're trying to rationalise it away by painting her as some fictitious good person.

She's good to you because you're family. Put her in a room with some Muslims and see what happens.

And let's not forget that actions speak louder than words.

 

[Faustek]

What horribly racist shit are you referring to, exactly?

superpredators out of context? Only thing I can think of. At least that's documented

 

[Nepenthe]

She's good to you because you're family. Put her in a room with some Muslims and see what happens.

I gotta admit I laughed at this.

 

[Cyframe]

And the other thing that is missed is that politics are personal, and unless you're white, you can't really set them aside like it's a topic on a favorite TV show.

I remember The View doing an interview with students who supported Trump vs those who didn't. And one girl was upset because a Muslim peer didn't want to be friends with her anymore because she went school wearing Trump attire. That Muslim student 100% has the right to hold her classmate in disdain, even if both kids weren't old enough to vote.

The responsibility seems so disproportionate, and ignorance isn't really an excuse for me because Black and Brown families live in poverty and if they can vote, they don't largely vote for someone like Trump. So why is that an excuse for white voters who are poor?

 

[EchoChamber]

Sorry your granny is a nazi.

 

[RDreamer]

If you followed the news at all, at least before his second term you'd have known he's gonna do it.

Voters of Obama should make their peace with that choice. To some extent, those innocent lives being killed were the fault of those who voted for him.

Not saying it's equivalent to Trump though, but the original guy that Emerson quoted does have a point. Just like the people who voted for Trump aren't absolved of the responsibility of getting in a president who is a racist piece of shit, Obama voters aren't really absolved of the responsibility of innocent lives being killed.

That vote didn't come about in a vacuum. It wasn't Obama vs someone that wouldn't drone strike and wanted to pull us out of our wars and start a new decade of peace or some crap. It was Obama against Romney, a guy that not once brought up those drone strikes as bad and had the GW Bush team as foreign policy advisors.

Saying those drone strikes are on the Obama voter's hands is in no way remotely similar to Trump voters being racist. Some fraction might be, but the choice we had Obama was, in my opinion, going to be the far better candidate when it came to foreign intervention and killing. That's a logical argument someone could make. No one in their right mind could say Trump was the less racist candidate compared to Hillary.

 

[AnathemicOne]

I want to be very clear about my position here:

People, now that they've seen what Trump is actually doing and saying, have no excuse for not criticizing it, and if they voted for him, owning up to their mistake.

That does not mean they are a Nazi or a racist simply for voting for him. It means they were naive and foolish to believe he wasn't going to do what he said. But lots of people were saying that on both sides, until he took power and started doing it all right away.

Someone who today, knowing what Trump is doing, still supports him? Call them whatever you like.

No it means they were okay with the explicit promise of racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry. Whatever level of amiability with this premise is up for debate but the minimum threshold is willing to tolerate with it. And if you're willing to tolerate with racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry with whatever single-issue crap your prioritize above all else, well I wish them a sincere opportunity to go fuck themselves.

 

[MattKeil]

It doesn't have to be the exact same thing to be a point worth considering. It is obviously not the same thing.

But you're making the same argument, that nobody could possibly have voted for Trump without being okay with every single thing he said. It's so fucking shortsighted to say that.

Some of you need to actually talk to some center-right Trump voters or previous Obama voters and actually listen to why they voted for him. You'll learn something.

I have. They're universally either ignorant of reality concerning Trump, don't give a shit about his racism/sexism/homophobia/nationalism, or think he's "telling it like it is" and is just saying all the racist/sexist/bigoted shit that us scary liberals have made True Americans™ too frightened to say out loud for decades. The absolute best case scenario with any of the people I know who voted for Trump has been an especially virulent case of "Fuck you, got mine." And don't give me that crap about "Voting for him is different from supporting him now" because over 80% of Trump voters still support him even after this shitstorm of a first 100 days. They love his ass. This is what they wanted.

There is no comparison here to voting for Obama. Yes, an Obama voter has to own that drone strike issue. But drone strikes were not Obama's primary campaign plank, nor was it what people voted for him to do as a key policy statement. All this wall/immigration/nuke Korea shit with Trump is literally the only stuff of any substance (for lack of a better word) he talked about in the campaign. It's an apples and oranges comparison and you know it.

I fucking hate Trump, but you're deluding yourselves by turning this into a "45% of the country are Nazis!" situation in your minds. It is so obviously not true that it boggles the mind that you could even believe that. And you will lose again if you continue to think about it that way.

No, they won't lose again, because Trump barely won and 8 million registered Democrats stayed home. A 1% shift in Dem turnout or people voting for Trump in several of the key states would have lost it for Trump. This was not some kind of landslide of epic proportions that proves we have to woo idiots and bigots to the side of justice to ever win control of the White House again. This was a flaw in the system that created a horrific result in what was really not a particularly close race on a macro level.

There is no reason to think anyone ignorant or hateful enough to vote for Trump (and yes, those are the two options) is going to be won back or won over to the Democrat side. But it's a non-issue because all Democrats need is for their constituents to not stay home next time, and without the media-driven concern trolling about Clinton in the way (to say nothing of the inherent sexism that still colored the campaign in so many subtle and not-so-subtle ways), they probably won't.

 

[Koomaster]

Not all are Nazis, some are just Nazi supporters. That's about as nice as I can be about it.