I really like the fact that angry joe did made a blatant masking of his error of using a preview lines to imply it was a review, and mask that delibrate handling by arguing about the score and the decimals itself.
And i think that is job well done since most of people in this thread are actuallytalking about the score than the problem at large.
I don't watch his content because of the way he acts. Both parties look like immature assholes in this situation. One doesn't get a pass every time he's an immature asshole just because he has a whole youtube channel of him acting like an immature asshole. It may be less surprising that he's acting like an immature asshole, but it doesn't make him any less of one and people don't have to like or dismiss his actions just because he's famous for having a shitty attitude.The thing is, guys like Joe are watched for their shtick. IGN is bring pretty trivial here and they look more foolish. Some act as if Joe's behavior is *gasp* immoral. Take a look at how some people here act before casting stones.
To crap on Joe for who he is would negate the reason for watching his content. Joe's fine just the way he is. Let's not act like the morality police and dismiss a good guy for defending his rep.
The main point of this makes IGN look worse.
In what way is he "obviously joking" there? I mean it's pretty consistent with everything else I've seen from him. A quick google search finds he apparently worked on the Xbox Magazine before going to IGN.
Totally joking.
There's a couple of wrongs from both sides on this:
- Quoting preview commentary that does not represent the game's final judgement is misrepresentative.
- 8.9 is essentially almost a 9. It's a very high score. Trying to argue otherwise is highly pedantic.
- Angry Joe's constant namecalling and colourful insults during the whole Twitter exchange paints a terrible picture of him. He's the one that needs to grow up.
Another casualty of people acting dumb on Twitter for the whole world to see. Merrhh.
All this over 1%?
I say 1% because that's exactly what 0.1 is.
However it's obviously not, because IGN adopt the 7-10 scale so 0.1 is actually much bigger number. I'm too lazy to work out what 0.1 equates to.
Stupid argument, but at least it highlights IGN's masturbatory and arbitrary numbering scheme.
It'd be refreshing though, if Joe would have handled it like anything other than an immature asshole. Dan would look like a complete twat if Joe had just explained what happened, apologized for misrepresenting the quote, and moved on.
Instead they're both rolling around on the floor twatting it up.
Suprised to see IGN take action over Joe fearing for their reputation. I thought major outlets tend to look at youtbe people over their shoulders. If at all.
Holy shit, I only just realised that the guy that did that ridiculous gushing preview about it being 'too much for his eyeballs to take' is the same guy that tried to get ms to employ him to host their e3 conference. He clearly has no objectivity whatsoever.
I think he's joking because he would have to be truly idiotic to think MS would ever get a journalist to host their E3 press conference which is broadcast on television. I refuse to believe anyone is that dumb. Also the smiley face. But what I was kind of trying to say is that he phrased it as a joke but he would do it in a heart beat.
I don't like x/5 scales ratings because the differences between them are too large and making them into decimals (i.e. 3.2/5) requires that I multiply it by 2, and I'm lazy. I don't like 0.1 scales because I cannot tell the difference between 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, or 9.4. I think there is a sense of randomness to a review when it is given a 0.1 that doesn't end in x.0 or x.5.
This argument that Dan started is pretty stupid. It seems like he is arguing about something that is not quite there.
Gonna have to back Joe on this one. On a scale 0-10, 8.9 is a 9.
0.1 on that scale is not significant. I could live with an 8.5 bu even then it will round to 9.
Technically, 0.1 is 10%
No you're fine. 10% written as a decimal is 0.1 but 0.1 on a 0-10 scale is 1%.Between 8 - 9 right? Not between 0 - 10. Am I being bad with numbers?
I'm not a major fan of Angry Joe as his style just doesn't always click with me, but I do occasionally watch his stuff and he does sometimes have a good point to make like he did in this instance.
IGN on the other hand, I have absolutely zero interest in visiting and it amazes me that people still go there. I'm tired of the tabloid style gaming "press" and they fit up in that bracket and have no credibility in my view. Those kinds of sites always feel like if you don't agree with their opinion you're wrong.
Joe is clearly entitled to make reference to the praise lavished upon Titanfall by the gaming sites here as part of his critique - it's his opinion after all. IGN's reviews editor in this action has just managed to present himself as being an insufferable tool.
Very good summary.There's a couple of wrongs from both sides on this:
- Quoting preview commentary that does not represent the game's final judgement is misrepresentative.
- 8.9 is essentially almost a 9. It's a very high score. Trying to argue otherwise is highly pedantic.
- Angry Joe's constant namecalling and colourful insults during the whole Twitter exchange paints a terrible picture of him. He's the one that needs to grow up.
Another casualty of people acting dumb on Twitter for the whole world to see. Merrhh.
Between 8 - 9 right? Not between 0 - 10. Am I being bad with numbers?
This may be a fruitless endeavour, but Dan is actually arguing about the quote misattribution, not the score. Joe, knowing that he has no leg to stand on with the quote, decided to then argue about the score.
Between 8 - 9 right? Not between 0 - 10. Am I being bad with numbers?
To summarize...
- Stapleton was wrong to sink to Joe's level on Twitter and pick a fight in the first place - and to then make the difference between an 8.9 out of 10 and a 9 out of 10 seem like a big deal (which it's not)
- Vargas was wrong to misrepresent a quote from IGN's Titanfall preview as a quote from their review - although he did a masterful job of shifting the argument elsewhere
- McCaffrey was wrong for being an unabashed Microsoft shill in the first place who is trying to leverage his role as sanctioned PR to try and land a gig at MS while mortgaging any credibility his 8.9 score had in the first place
Have I got all of this right?
Coincidence?
This may be a fruitless endeavour, but Dan is actually arguing about the quote misattribution, not the score. Joe, knowing that he has no leg to stand on with the quote, decided to then argue about the score.
This may be a fruitless endeavour, but Dan is actually arguing about the quote misattribution, not the score. Joe, knowing that he has no leg to stand on with the quote, decided to then argue about the score.
This is why i would never take IGN seriously. I don't care if you're writing a preview, a review or any other piece of news on a game.. that crap is just embarrassing to read.
the xbox live community, ladies and gents!
fuck IGN and Joe
Honestly, imo Angry Joe is at fault in this case. He's casually taking IGNs source articles and citation out of context, and thus mispresenting IGNs opinion. That's irresponsible. To him it's a question of just one "lousy" decimal - without digging into his remarks about what he classifies as a preview or review - because it's not his news media outlet. He obviously won't be attentive to how it's formulated. This action merely enables him to support his own message, thus twisting the content of the original source. So in a sense it's misinforming and thus damaging IGNs credibility and authenticity. Joe doesn't seem to acknowledge the importance of accurate information distrubition, thus displaying a worrying lack of responsibility in his actions. It spreads a misinterpretation of IGNs source, in correalation to their final verdict.