So don't watch it. He has so many subscribers and viewers because they love his long, and often funny, reviews/videos.
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Angry Joe The Order 1886 Review.
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So don't watch it. He has so many subscribers and viewers because they love his long, and often funny, reviews/videos.
tokyopunchout
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That's because too me this was more of a visual novel with QTEs in it & a tiny sprinkle of 'gameplay' to make it feel interactive.
This isn't my favorite direction for games sure, but far from me to $hit on it because it isn't Ghouls n' Ghosts or Last Of Us.
Tried to appreciate it for what it was - a short & gorgeous AAA horror themed movie game. Nothing more.
Same here
It's one of those games where every criticism of it is valid, and looking back on the game its flaws are glaring, but during my time with controller in hand I had a good time.
You can still make a good game that has bare bones gameplay, but it must have a really good, intriguing story to tell. See The Walking Dead series.
You talking about scenarios, when Im talking about core mechanics
The font and paper quality are amazing.
I agree with you, the shooting felt great in the game. That's wahy I was disapointed that a lot of the combat scenarios were dull and uninspired.
yeah he isnt funny at all, this review is okay though
Mad Season
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this guys schtick is so overplayed
It's art. It's entertainment. It's also a game, yes.
When I do almost anything for leisure I'm looking at the artistry and entertainment. Why do I care what medium it's in? Plenty of things blend medium all the time. I don't think we should just stick to one medium and call it a day. If sometimes I like movies and sometimes I like games, can I not like a combination of the two?
No I clearly talked about the shooting being bare bones, basic cover based shooting. The one original mechanic it has is the blackwater bullet time mode which isn't that interesting at all, just an instant win button. It nails the sounds and visuals of the combat but that doesn't actually make it fun to play, all the combat amounts to is shoot at enemies coming towards you and move forwards.
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There's a sentence I thought I would never read when it comes to videogames :/
LegendofDragoonLives
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You don't have to watch it. Seriously annoying that people come and bitch about the length of the reviews? "Why can't he make videos like 90% of the other youtube reviewers".. You don't like the length, go watch something else while others can enjoy the lengthy videos. This shit posting really grinds my gears.
I'm glad he makes his videos long. I watch the intro and then basically listen to the rest of the video while I work. I expected him to dislike the game but disagree with him regardless. I agree it has several issues but the good for me outweigh the bad. He just needs to stop spoiling things, especially something he showed in the review for a cinematic story driven game...
Look, if everything else didn't matter, then why are we not all playing on our original NES consoles still? Why is it that a lot of this very forum picked a PS4 over an Xbox One for graphics? Why is it that we get threads about downgrade complaints? Artistry matters. There are a lot of talented people doing amazing things with this medium, and I really hate that we dismiss it sometimes if some other people on the team didn't blow things out of the water.
Graphics matter, soundtracks matter, atmosphere matters, story matters on a varying scale for all of us. We can sit here and pretend that gameplay is the only thing that matters, but that's simply not true. Why is it some big offense that some people want to be entertained in some ways?
Zen_Arcade
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You can, but you shouldn't be surprised when other people don't like it. These games are limiting player interaction, and interactivity is what a lot of people enjoy video games for in the first place.
I, and many other people here retro game all of the time. Artistry matters, but game play is part of the art of video games, and one that is being under utilized with games like the Order. It's not that nothing else matters, it's just that without having a solid core of interesting game play mechanics, all of the other things you listed essentially amount to polishing a turd in the eyes of people who want to play video games to play a game.
Projectjustice
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Theres nothing wrong if you enjoy the game. Just dont enjoy it at $60 bucks.
Lockjaw333
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Joe always disects games to a way deeper level than most of the reviews from the popular internet sources.
This game looks like absolute shit in his review. I saw some sequences that weren't really discussed a lot in reviews elsewhere that really bring the game down. He makes it out to see that if the game did not have cutting edge graphics, it would be along the lines of a 2 or so.
Haven't played it so I can't comment myself, but I can't disagree with any of the points he made, and I usually agree mostly with his analysis of other games. Joe is usually on point and says what everyone wants to say without worrying about hurting feelings.
Again not giving my two cents, but damn the game looks bad in his review. Such a disappointment.
This game looks like absolute shit in his review. I saw some sequences that weren't really discussed a lot in reviews elsewhere that really bring the game down. He makes it out to see that if the game did not have cutting edge graphics, it would be along the lines of a 2 or so.
Haven't played it so I can't comment myself, but I can't disagree with any of the points he made, and I usually agree mostly with his analysis of other games. Joe is usually on point and says what everyone wants to say without worrying about hurting feelings.
Again not giving my two cents, but damn the game looks bad in his review. Such a disappointment.
I retro game a lot, too. I still enjoy the artistry in those games, too. To me it's all about variety.
I'm not going to argue The Order doesn't have its problems. I've been vocal about that, especially in the OT. I think, though, that its gameplay is pretty average, but everything else is above average.
I know I have a hard time really getting into games that have really great gameplay, but have no story, atmosphere, or anything like that. That's part of why I don't get as into Nintendo games. I can see they're good from a gameplay perspective, but nothing is there to suck me in.
I think it was a good review... Or rather it could have been a good review if Joe didn't spoil every fucking thing about the game. Jesus Christ, he spoils the final battle, the final cutscene, the post-credits cutscene, just way too much. I'm not saying you can't have gameplay footage in your review, but don't use footage from the end of the game. It's doing a disservice to the people who still want to try it out. Simply describing the final boss should have a brief spoiler tag, showing footage of it is unacceptable.
Otherwise, I think he did a good job covering the game's problems, like the overly simple AI and the pointless "look at this" filler. It's an example of a game so focused on visuals it forgot about everything else. I hope an Order sequel can focus on fixing these problems, because I'm starting to get the appeal of the setting. Werewolves are fucking cool, crazy weapons are fucking cool,
are fucking cool. The game also looks like a potentially wonderful co-op shooter with all the sections where you have a single AI partner, as well as the ending
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Otherwise, I think he did a good job covering the game's problems, like the overly simple AI and the pointless "look at this" filler. It's an example of a game so focused on visuals it forgot about everything else. I hope an Order sequel can focus on fixing these problems, because I'm starting to get the appeal of the setting. Werewolves are fucking cool, crazy weapons are fucking cool,
vampires
where Lafayette and Gallahad are working together now against the Order
No, "horrible" is not deserved. Is pedestrian and already been there done that kind of thing but "horrible" is another kind of bad.
I played both Ryse and YeOldeOrder1886 and I enjoyed way more the second.
You can see RAD misses a real game designer but at least I had more variety than in Ryse.
While TheOrder1886 is a lesser version of GearsOfWar meets Beyond (worse than both of them) Ryse was a better version of 99nights yet still a very boring game
Indeed.
I had a lot of fun too, but like you said, almost every criticism this game is getting has been fair.
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Who said these things don't matter? They absolutely do, how you can say that gameplay is not more important than any of these is beyond me, sorry.
Spottiettiedop
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I thought the review was fine. My takeaway from AJ is The Order is an average game. Cool. I still want to check out The Order though.
I enjoyed the hell out of Monster's Inc Scream Arena and it was one of my most played party games on the Gamecube. It has a 39 critic score and a 49 user score on Metacritic. There's nothing wrong with enjoying games other people don't like.
More important than some of those things individually, sure. More important than everything else a game incorporates combined, though? Probably not.
Again, my opinion is that the gameplay design in The Order is pretty average. The gunplay is, I think above average, but not utilized to the best it could be. Literally everything else about the game, though, is above average. Now, would I personally be able to play a game that's the opposite? Where gameplay is above average but the story sucks, the music sucks, the graphics suck, the atmosphere sucks, etc. No, I probably wouldn't.
Zen_Arcade
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This is why I said that people aren't over overemphasizing game play and that you're just in a minority of people who don't care about it as much. It's why people keep quoting that post with confused faces.
Saying you can overemphasize game play in a video game sounds like saying you can overemphasize the story in a comic book. You might not care about the story in the comic book and can solely focus on the art, but a lot of people see good art and storytelling mixing as an integral aspect of what makes comic books original and interesting. Take out the art and you just have another script. Take away the script and you just have a bunch of drawings that don't tell any sort of story. It's the combination of the two that gets people interested in comic books in the first place. Much like the combination of game play and video gets people interested in video games. I'm sure there is an audience for people who only buy comic books so they can look at the nice art, just like there is a group of people who can enjoy video games for graphics, but that's not what the majority of people read comic books or play video games for. They play them for the creative combination of the aspects and how those aspects play off each other to make original art.
It's a very niche genre that these developers are going for with these types of games. They're downplaying the part of the medium that pulls most people in in favor for an aspect of the medium like story telling that can not only be found in pretty much any other entertainment medium, but is done far better in those mediums.
Shaunboy97
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I wish it was true, they would balance this annoying narrative of "movie/nogameplay-allgraphics/shittyeverything".
Art direction and atmosphere, OST? Acting, believable characters and their relationships, writing, lore? Maybe the gunplay with its cool weapons, some real and some fancy but still grounded to the game's reality which is amazing. About this, should we name the crazy amount of details everywhere? They're not just "cool graphics", there's a difference between cool graphics and detailed environments. It takes a lot more to make the latter and I can't believe that in 2015 they're still so undervalued.
How can all of this means nothing all of a sudden and deserve a 4? Also, am I the only one to value the potential of a new IP from a team on its first experience with AAA on home console?
Gameplay does not fail, indeed.
Your first statement is correct but it doesn't mean that every game has to be gameplay centric. What can you do with interactivity (gameplay, but I'm using the word interactivity on purpose) and how much you can balance it is a interesting topic. Telltale's games as well as visual novels or even Wii Music etc are examples of interactivity used differently. What's important is that what you do is good and it works, overall.
CassidyIzABeast
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You can never overemphasize gameplay. Its not possible.
cleveridea
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I hope you never watch a movie in your life. There's zero gameplay there.
Also zero gameplay in comics. Zero gameplay in books.
MagnaderAlpha
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Had "cinematic experience" video games also been chocked full of all the extras blu-rays tend to be crammed with, I'd actually agree. Hell, given the modern age of gaming, they SHOULD do shit like that(games SHOULD come with commentary tracks, behind-the-scene featurettes, interviews, storyboards, digital galleries and each variation of trailer from the years to months prior to the game's release, including the very first "reveal" trailer).
Mithos
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The Order 1887 - 2/3 Cutscenes/QTE's 1/3 gameplay
The Order 1888 - 3/3 Cutscenes/QTE's no gameplay.
Gamezone
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Fortunately we already have reviews for those who think Angry Joe is annoying, they are called IGN and Gamespot.
All reviews I've read have praised the graphics in the game. They are giving the artistry credit, it's just not enough to make up for the lousy gameplay.
Most people have issues with the story of the game too and how it ends, so they kinda failed on that front as well.
I don't need any reviews, but nice try. I enjoyed the game just fine.
This. I'm someone who loved the game, but the two Boss battles were very much...that gif.
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NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Finally watched whole thing.
I think he backed up his score with everything beforehand.
I'm still going to pick it up when it hits the $20 or 30 price point.
It's like a Ford Pinto with rims and a fancy paint job.
I think he backed up his score with everything beforehand.
I'm still going to pick it up when it hits the $20 or 30 price point.
It's like a Ford Pinto with rims and a fancy paint job.
Yup. The game definitely does tie up with what Joe said and it proves my point what I said before about games of this type. Again, I am all for cinematic and heavily story deiven game but developers and everyone need to remember one most important thing... IT IS A GAME. A GAME. The gameplay should always be first and foremost. Graphics, story, aesthetics, and sound is not gameplay... they can compliment gameplay but they are not gameplay. If the game itself was applied with great effort like the graphics this this game would have been fantastic. However, everyone is much better off watching walkthroughs on Youtube.
I agree. Great time with the game but some of the criticism are valid :/ Looking towards to a Sequel!
Kacho
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That's one complaint I really really don't understand, but that's up for debate. I liked the story they told and was pretty satisfied with the ending. It was kind of Batman Begins-esque.
This amount of disingenous reasoning is why no one bothers with the OT