They are telling young girls, especially after the story of Skyward Sword, that "Link" as the original character, was a male Hylian who vanquished evil once was cursed and will forever be reborn to fight that evil. He's the hero of time. Can young girls not play the series because Link is always a guy?
I've spent way to much time analyzing 1 minute of footage
The references to personality were more in line with the whole Doctor/Bond arguement. And I honestly don't think the studios behind Bond really buy the whole "it's the same guy!" conceit. Skyfall set up events that, if you were to understand the intention - could be viewed as a prequel. Despite taking place decades in the future, after the films it would theoretically precede. In reality, I just don't think the creators of Bond care as much about continuity as people think they do.Except Aonuma also just said that he was supposed to just be a projection of the player. And really? He's got personality traits? He's generic silent protagonist.
Also, all those James Bonds are supposed to be the same guy. The Links are all different individuals. Born at different points. It's not the same thing. And the BS zelda games let you play as a boy or girl, and it was pretty popular... Well for the people who owned the Satellite thingie.
I guess I just don't really buy the whole "projection of the player" arguement (even if it's coming straight from the man's mouth). If Link's appearance & persoanlity is meant to mirror the player, why hasn't he been visually customizable - ever? If I am Link, why not offer those character creation options since the SNES era? Link is a known character - he's not the protagonist from Pokemon.Then have differences in dialog depending on what gender you choose. It wouldn't be the first game. The point is, he Link is supposed to be a projection. If you like the original looking Link, then choose that one.
.If you want to play as a girl, that's fine. Ask to play as Zelda, or to make a new female character. But Link has always been male, and I'm sorry that some of us think he should stay that way.
If that was a brand new female MC, I'd be completely cool with that. But as long as it's Link, he should stay male.
In the same way as if you suddenly turns Samus into a male space marine.
What part of the reincarnation cycle says he has to be a boy? Girls live in a world where the majority playable video game characters are guys. Can young boys not fathom playing as a girl?They are telling young girls, especially after the story of Skyward Sword, that "Link" as the original character, was a male Hylian who vanquished evil once was cursed and will forever be reborn to fight that evil. He's the hero of time. Can young girls not play the series because Link is always a guy?
In the same way as if you suddenly turns Samus into a male space marine.
So no, people wishing Link to female for at least one single reincarnation continue to ask for him to be her, not to play as Zelda and you should understand that.
Samus is a single character.
Link is many characters.
These two sentences, together, hurt my brain.
Link is a player avatar.Are you actually being serious? Mario, Link and Samus are player avatars to you?
I can't...
Oh yeah, I can definitely agree with that. A selectable gender option would be disappointing unless the story and character interactions were drastically different between the male and female heroes. I think the most practical way to go from a developer's standpoint would be to fully commit to a female lead character.I agree. I probably wasn't clear enough. I'm personally just against the "choose Link's gender" option. I want either Nintendo to commit to a female hero of time or to create an additional female hero of time template (in execution similar to P3P) to solve the problem for all future titles.
They are telling young girls, especially after the story of Skyward Sword, that "Link" as the original character, was a male Hylian who vanquished evil once was cursed and will forever be reborn to fight that evil. He's the hero of time. Can young girls not play the series because Link is always a guy?
I'm making a point in a way that's amusing to me. There are lots of other posts to read if you don't appreciate mine.
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Is it really hard to understand why people might not want a well recognized character to switch gender or race or whatever? I doubt anyone would care if we could just play as Zelda ( Nintendo pls) or some new girl character. Is that awful or something?
Nothing.Each main game has a different person. Each iteration of the hero of time is a male. What's Nintendo telling young girls?
Ok first of all, why would Samus suddenly have to change into a "male space marine" (I'm assuming you mean something like from Warhammer 40k). Why couldn't Samus just look exactly the same and then in the end of the game just be revelead that he's a man instead of woman (just like it was revealed originally that it's a she)?In the same way as if you suddenly turns Samus into a male space marine.
Girls, the hero of time is always male. Girls are weak, im so sorry.
Ok. That's fine with me. Just thought I'd ask.I'm making a point in a way that's amusing to me. There are lots of other posts to read if you don't appreciate mine.
Well it's good to know names don't matter but gender does for a character that has no personality, goals, or dreams.
Did people really get invested in this. Who cares about Link's gender.
I took that as "Thank God... We can finally put this to rest". I suppose I just interpreted it differently. Now it looks like the author has clarified and that was their intent.
Look, I'm not out for a fight. No need for hostility.
Ignoring Other M you can play the other Metroid games without to know who is Samus.
Link is basically the only constant in a game series with complety art style shifts and gameplay mechanics between two games of the sereis.
Is it really hard to understand why people might not want a well recognized character to switch gender or race or whatever? I doubt anyone would care if we could just play as Zelda ( Nintendo pls) or some new girl character. Is that awful or something?
Can anyone point out where in the OP Aonuma specifies that the character is Link and is male? There are paraphrases, but the quotations only specify the issue as a rumour (thus evoking the 'we don't comment on rumours and spec' reply, which is pretty suspiscious to me).
That was Link you saw in Nintendo's tease of the Wii U Zelda during the E3 Digital Event, and it wasn't a female version, despite online speculation.
When you grow up, you get boobies.What does this have to do with growing up?
Sorry, to be clearer, there's nothing that says that Link has to be a guy in all of his incarnations because there's no rules at all about what he has to be. Every single trait of his, and of Zelda in general, is exactly as disposable as you think it is.
Dammit people stop with the Samus comparison. Samus is only one person. If there were twenty incarnations of Samus in different generations, I'd wonder why one of them wasn't a dude too.
Ok first of all, why would Samus suddenly have to change into a "male space marine" (I'm assuming you mean something like from Warhammer 40k). Why couldn't Samus just look exactly the same and then in the end of the game just be revelead that he's a man instead of the woman (just like it was revealed originally that it's a she)?
The point is, Link's looks wouldn't have to change almost any if he was to made female. He already looks very androgynous.
Second, it's not the same thing at all. Samus is always the same person. Link is always a different reincarnation and thus a different person every single time.
Because then, to me and many others, it's not Link anymore, and shouldn't bear his name. Evidently some people consider Link to be nothing but a cypher, but I really don't. He's a character in my head, and he's male. Every game he gets changed up a bit, but he's always Link. And despite what many seem to be saying, one's gender does in fact affect the character, even if the character is androgynous (otherwise we wouldn't be having his discussion).There are several timelines, each with its own link. It's not really one character. Why not have one be a girl?
I think there's also something in there about backseat modding. Anyway, I'm engaging in real conversations between the jokes, not just drive-by posting. The subject of this thread genuinely interests me and I want to talk about it.Why even post if you're disingenuous or trolling simply for amusement?
Did people really get invested in this. Who cares about Link's gender.
Can anyone point out where in the OP Aonuma specifies that the character is Link and is male? There are paraphrases, but the quotations only specify the issue as a rumour (thus evoking the 'we don't comment on rumours and spec' reply, which is pretty suspiscious to me).
Girls, the hero of time is always male. Girls are weak, im so sorry.
If you want to play as a girl, that's fine. Ask to play as Zelda, or to make a new female character. But Link has always been male, and I'm sorry that some of us think he should stay that way.
If that was a brand new female MC, I'd be completely cool with that. But as long as it's Link, he should stay male.
Link, bears just about as much resemblance to himself, game after game, as any other Nintendo character. The different incarnations thing is a pretext for replaying glaringly similar stories over and over again.
There's nothing wrong with it if you prefer to have him as male.Is it really hard to understand why people might not want a well recognized character to switch gender or race or whatever? I doubt anyone would care if we could just play as Zelda ( Nintendo pls) or some new girl character. Is that awful or something?
And? How does the change the fact that Link wouldn't have to change looks if he was a female? And that he's a different reincarnation every time?Samus is normally hidden in a large suit.
You could replace Samus with the main character of the Dead Space series and most people wouldn't see a difference while playing the game.
Because then, to me and many others, it's not Link anymore, and shouldn't bear his name. Evidently some people consider Link to be nothing but a cypher, but I really don't. He's a character in my head, and he's male. Every game he gets changed up a bit, but he's always Link. And despite what many seem to be saying, one's gender does in fact affect the character, even if the character is androgynous (otherwise we wouldn't be having his discussion).
I don't care if the next ten Zelda games star some new female character; an avatar, but Link is male in my mind. There's no reason to change him, because if he's so supposedly unimportant to everything, then a new character is just as worthy to be the main character
Girls, Link as a Hylian male, defeated evil and was cursed with eternal reincarnation. He is always reborn to fight evil when it eventually returns, he is the hero of time. Nowhere does it say girls are weak anywhere. Like I don't even know where you're going with this, projecting your own opinion? If Link was a girl from the start, I'd say she should always be born a girl, but she wasn't.
So while the "character" is different, the soul of Link is the same, and every time, he's born as the same white fairy looking Hylian with blonde hair etc. As a non-white guys growing up, it didn't say anything to me that hey, Link is not a coloured male, men of color are weak.
Each main game has a different person. Each iteration of the hero of time is a male. What's Nintendo telling young girls?