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Assetto Corsa (Console) |OT| Kunos tries to console us.
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Then this should be reflected in price. What you wrote is exactly my point really. This saved huge amounts in development at the direct expense of gamers and kept the savings to themselves. How do you defend saying "let's be realistic in expectations" when they are asking triple A retail prices? I expect to get what I pay for. If I pay an indie game price then I expect an indie game. If I pay assetto corsa money then I expect hundreds of cars, 30+ tracks and everything polished.
Jamesways
Member
Good point Karak.
Also to add to what you said, average gamers may avoid this entirely. Well known brands sell on name alone. GT and Forza will always be more popular even with casual racing fans.
God I love these niche titles.
I love "bad" racing games in general though, so my opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Race Pro, pCARS, NFS Shift, TD: Ferrari Racing Legends, Ride, Milestone's MotoGP and SBK games, WRC5, PGR3, even Real Racing 3... Good stuff.
Edit- but it's not the price of a AAA game. NA PSN store t's ten bucks cheaper, other places I've heard are selling it for 20 bucks cheaper. But yeah I see your point. It should be priced cheaper.
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Also to add to what you said, average gamers may avoid this entirely. Well known brands sell on name alone. GT and Forza will always be more popular even with casual racing fans.
God I love these niche titles.
I love "bad" racing games in general though, so my opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Race Pro, pCARS, NFS Shift, TD: Ferrari Racing Legends, Ride, Milestone's MotoGP and SBK games, WRC5, PGR3, even Real Racing 3... Good stuff.
Edit- but it's not the price of a AAA game. NA PSN store t's ten bucks cheaper, other places I've heard are selling it for 20 bucks cheaper. But yeah I see your point. It should be priced cheaper.
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That's what I've been hoping to hear.
Maintenance
Member
Except they are not asking for triple AAA prices, No Man's Sky is more expensive than this game. And I have to say that I laughed at the bolded, that's like expecting a 16 hour campaign out of every first person shooter, plus horde mode, co-op for the entire campaign.
Silver Arrows
Banned
Is NFS Shift a bad racing game though? Maybe handling wise, but even now I know that SMS really put a lot of love and care not only into the car list but also in terms of tracks and things you could do.
If it wasn't for SHIFT 2 Unleashed's failure we wouldn't have gotten the sort of mini renaissance we have with sim racing currently.
Jamesways, I also massively disagree with your assumption PGR 3 is a bad racing game
If it wasn't for SHIFT 2 Unleashed's failure we wouldn't have gotten the sort of mini renaissance we have with sim racing currently.
Jamesways, I also massively disagree with your assumption PGR 3 is a bad racing game
LostDonkey
Member
Good lord, if ever there was a game where "Reviewers just don't get it", this is it.
Comparing it to Forza and GT and then marking it down because it doesn't do things they do, wtf.
Comparing it to Forza and GT and then marking it down because it doesn't do things they do, wtf.
It really is more simulator than "game". The content of the "career" is practically an afterthought compared to the core vehicle simulation. You have to be aware you will be getting none of the polished up presentation niceties of modern racing games. On PC I've put in over 1k hours, the majority hotlapping. If you temper your expectations and know what you're getting into, I think it's super cool that it's even available on console.
Karak
Member
Events are fantastic though but ya
Yep its convoluted as hell when you think about it.
And really in the end I wish that the supposed one title that adds some of this stuff didn't come racing onto the consoles looking like shit and sadly the FPS totally impacts the simulation as well. I just don't feel like celebrating this thing to be honest.
They are $9 cheaper than GTS, but hold back cars for DLC. Full content is higher than GTS.
Maintenance
Member
So do we have it in stone that GTS won't be getting a season pass / dlc?
There's an R34 GT-R in the Japanese Pack DLC that came out a few months ago on PC. It's the cheapest pack since it has no track. However, it only has a stock R34 for some reason while the RX-7 and Supra get tuner versions as well as stock even though the most famous tuner car in the world is an R34... ;(
Got the game on PS4 yesterday and played a bit...
What a disappointment... the framerate is really -i mean REALLY - all over the place. Not only does it suffer from enormous screen tearing but the games stutters a lot too.
This is by far the worst framerate I ve seen in a car game since a long long time. GT6 looks butter smooth compared to this (and yes: GT6 framerate is shit as hell)
I am sooooo annoyed at 505 and Kunos right now. This is so bad it's even disrepectful for players imo. A shame really.
And the graphics go from "average" to "ridiculously bad" (the mirror can look like an Amiga 500 screenshot sometimes)
And the replays looks like stuttering shit.
I can't even imagine how the game was like before the delay...
A shame really as the driving and the sounds are just marvellous.. this game deserved so much better than that Kunos. 505 studios, shame on you.
What a disappointment... the framerate is really -i mean REALLY - all over the place. Not only does it suffer from enormous screen tearing but the games stutters a lot too.
This is by far the worst framerate I ve seen in a car game since a long long time. GT6 looks butter smooth compared to this (and yes: GT6 framerate is shit as hell)
I am sooooo annoyed at 505 and Kunos right now. This is so bad it's even disrepectful for players imo. A shame really.
And the graphics go from "average" to "ridiculously bad" (the mirror can look like an Amiga 500 screenshot sometimes)
And the replays looks like stuttering shit.
I can't even imagine how the game was like before the delay...
A shame really as the driving and the sounds are just marvellous.. this game deserved so much better than that Kunos. 505 studios, shame on you.
Karak
Member
Ya the framerate is odd. Its either coming down from 60 or going up to it at all times. It almost never feels like its actually resting at 60
Hitokiri03
Member
That's really disappointing, I have zero interest in buying GTS and I was hoping this one would fill the gap.
I hope they fix this.
I hope they fix this.
Dzidza1978
Member
Guys what are your ffb settings on ps4 for thrustmaster. Physics is really good.
Ardenyal
Member
People want more than just hot lapping and multiplayer from a racing game.
Unknown?
Member
I do when it's hailed as one of the top simulators on PC I darn sure expect it to be good. Other than performance(which will likely be patched) it does look darn good! But so did Project Cars and I wasn't a fan. So many games coming soon this is a hard decision.
The point I was making is making fun of the people who only pick on GT. It's always the stupidest shit that gets blown up into something big. Like trees or pidgins that are blocky. Whereas any other game they wouldn't care in the slightest. It's actually refreshing coming into a simulation discussion and not hearing the massive amounts of bullshit.
When were there any expectations set that this game would provide that though? It's the same game that's been on PC for years, nothing's changed. It is what it is. It's not a game, and it misses many simulation type features. The game is easier to use with a pad than Pcars but still awful. All of this can be found out from PC users. The only good thing is the driving. It's unfortunate they didn't drop the graphics for a solid 60fps on console.
This game is literally a hot lap/mp game. The AI have got better, but nothing amazing.
Remember a separate team built the console port from the PC dev team.
Team VVV Extended impression video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVLCnqmVPc4
They go into performance issues and screen tearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVLCnqmVPc4
They go into performance issues and screen tearing.
It probably will but it won't be content that was created well before release and held back just to be sold as DLC. But it's hardly the point when GTS will have much more content period. Plus online, plus night racing just about everything AC would have if they spent more money developing it.
Right when they set the price. You can't just get away with releasing anything you like just because you're a "small team". That crap needs to stop and devs need to be pulled up for it.
Fortinbras
Member
Yeah I'm done with the game.
The Xbox version is terrible.
Really disappointing because the driving feels great.
The Xbox version is terrible.
Really disappointing because the driving feels great.
Music to my ears.
Test Drive Ferrari Racing Legends is one of the best racing games in past decade.
Never Forget.
A couple of points.
1) This and KSP (and to a lesser extent PCars) shows me that PC ports are more work than most devs think, personally, I think that the console manufacturers either need to open up, or at least relax, their submission restrictions for patches, at least with the PC developers can push patches out quickly, we are STILL waiting for a patch for KSP.
2) There is big problem with development time constraints, I don't know what it is, but it's happening more and more, maybe the publishers are pushing the developer, maybe the games development is just way more expensive than they (people) realise and they just need to recoup some money, but there are way, way too many console games getting pushed out in a very poor state.
Obviously the game has some issues that shouldn't be in a [whatever] priced release, but I can't see anything in that video that would push me to find the game unplayable.
1) This and KSP (and to a lesser extent PCars) shows me that PC ports are more work than most devs think, personally, I think that the console manufacturers either need to open up, or at least relax, their submission restrictions for patches, at least with the PC developers can push patches out quickly, we are STILL waiting for a patch for KSP.
2) There is big problem with development time constraints, I don't know what it is, but it's happening more and more, maybe the publishers are pushing the developer, maybe the games development is just way more expensive than they (people) realise and they just need to recoup some money, but there are way, way too many console games getting pushed out in a very poor state.
Obviously the game has some issues that shouldn't be in a [whatever] priced release, but I can't see anything in that video that would push me to find the game unplayable.
That guys voice gives me the heeby jebbies
I haven't been following that closely, but doesn't this include a bunch of DLC too?
Fortinbras
Member
The VVV video is really interesting. The console trailers show content that isn't included in the final game.
Is this a new trend in this industry? To advertise features and contents that don't ship with the final product?
Is this a new trend in this industry? To advertise features and contents that don't ship with the final product?
Steve McQueen
Member
Had high hopes for the console version and was really looking forward to play it on PS4, but I won't be able to enjoy AC with the framerate and tearing issues. Those issues seem pretty big from the vids I've watched. Will 505 be able to sort this out or is that just wishful thinking?
See No Man's Sky.
It's a shitty practice.
I've heard there is other missing content, which is apparently returning in a free update.
There is a separate team working in the console port within Kunos.
505 is just a publisher.
Dhu?! I thought 505 was the dev... Tx for the info mate.
Me too. I was convinced 505 coded the actual port.
Aren't they just a publisher?, do they even have a coding team?
Well... I checked on their website and...well: they seem to be only publishers. No idea why I thought they were doing that port.
Dzidza1978
Member
Is there a telemtry in HUD cause i cant seem to find it :-(
They are only publisher. KUNOS team develped everything and is in charge for patches, DLC, etc.
Oof - so Kunos had complete control over what was finally released. There's no way to say this without sounding disingenuous, but is this their first stab at console development? They can't be happy with the current performance issues. Let's hope for plenty of patches, a la SMS.
Edit: see above. Good.
Now what about those PS4 issues..?
I'd like to think that any performance improvements they bring to the XBO will carry over to the PS4 version too.
Some really helpful comments on there.........
sheesh.....
The facebook page is literally a wall of people complaining about the games performance.
Funny thing is, AC has a terrible multiplayer features. You can't even make a lobby.
What's this feud between Kunos and SMS that I keep hearing about? Apparently this tweet was a response to digs from Kunos or something..?
https://twitter.com/projectcarsgame/status/768458053607915520
https://twitter.com/projectcarsgame/status/768458053607915520