It will when populism runs up against the slow grinding gears of US government and reality
People basically want to be lied to go out and vote though.
No offense but as an outsider poor communication is a way bigger issue for the party than poor policy.not this shit again,
Hillary had the most LEFT leaning platform in US history.
they sucked at communication not policy .
Both of these policies resulted from compromise with Republicans, which made them worse. It does not mean that *Democrats* abandoned their social or economic principals. Perfect is the enemy of the good.Welfare Reform
Obamacare
weak-ass slogan. "jobs" and "future" being words you can twist to mean just about anything.
also herein laws the fatal flaw of the modern Democratic party, they can't craft a message without comparing themselves to Republicans (hence the use of "better" here)
go back to the drawing board
I definitely agree with maintaining skepticism. It's why I also understand and largely agree with some of the posts in this thread skeptical of if the democrats will fully attempt following through on this. It's also why my first post here was cautious optimism and a desire to see them release updated immigration, civil rights, police reform, and voting rights positions. Criticism and skepticism are healthy. I'd be pretty shocked (and pissed) if democrats abandoned civil rights/social issues. I think the party has had room to shift left on pretty much everything. I don't see why shifting left on economics has to result in sacrificing elsewhere. Though I totally understand skepticism and support demanding more of representatives that fall short.Well I mean that's the problem right? The current Democratic party probably wouldn't do that. The current Democratic Party is also not doing so hot at winning elections. They want to win more elections, by winning more voters. The question of what demands those new voters are going to make is super relevant, and the concern that one of them will be "economic progressivism for me, not for thee" is, I think, fair
I wish Sleepin' Planet was being translated instead of World's End Harem.
Same deal, except instead of "people are dead" it's "people fell into a coma", and only one guy can wake them all up with his blessed semen.
not this shit again,
Hillary had the most LEFT leaning platform in US history.
they sucked at communication not policy .
sorry but that is absurd.
Talk is cheap, when the choice boils down to people vs. Corps 90% of the DNC is spineless at best.
As far as Democratic platforms, that is true from my understanding. And that is the only opposition party that matters.
sorry but that is absurd.
This right here. They've had chance after chance to put their money where their mouths are and they never get it done either because they don't have the guts or they actively don't want to work in the interest of the people they say they represent.
No.... That's and objective FACT.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29595
Hillary was pushed to the left by bernie for sure, but in terms of American political history she is fairly centrist liberal
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29595
Hillary was pushed to the left by bernie for sure, but in terms of American political history she is fairly centrist liberal
Regardless, in 2016, the Democratic Party had the most left leaning political platform it has ever had.
Oh. 1932. Ok. Also, 1932 was before minorities were considered fully human. Things tended to change as soon as things like Civil Rights started coming up...
Yes, in general the US is center right - even if because of unfair over-representation by low population rural areas/states. But this platform in the modern political climate was quite left leaning.
No it didnt. Maybe moreso than her husbands and the platforms that lost against Reagan and both Bush's but that is an absurd claim.
FDR is the most left leaning president in our countries history. What does race have anything to do with this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt's_record_on_civil_rights
the 2016 platform was pushed fairly left by Bernie, that is true. But to call it the most left leaning platform in American history is absurd.
If the Dems are so bad why does Bernie keep trying to win their nomination?
The New Deal purposely excluded minorities so white people would embrace it wholeheartedly. Can FDR really be as far-left as you say when he minimized civil rights, a core tenet of liberalism?
FDR is the most left leaning president in our countries history. What does race have anything to do with this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt's_record_on_civil_rights
the 2016 platform was pushed fairly left by Bernie, that is true. But to call it the most left leaning platform in American history is absurd.
In this time of unprecedented economic and social distress the Democratic Party declares its conviction that the chief causes of this condition were the disastrous policies pursued by our government since the World War, of economic isolation, fostering the merger of competitive businesses into monopolies and encouraging the indefensible expansion and contraction of credit for private profit at the expense of the public.
Those who were responsible for these policies have abandoned the ideals on which the war was won and thrown away the fruits of victory, thus rejecting the greatest opportunity in history to bring peace, prosperity, and happiness to our people and to the world.
They have ruined our foreign trade; destroyed the values of our commodities and products, crippled our banking system, robbed millions of our people of their life savings, and thrown millions more out of work, produced wide-spread poverty and brought the government to a state of financial distress unprecedented in time of peace.
The only hope for improving present conditions, restoring employment, affording permanent relief to the people, and bringing the nation back to the proud position of domestic happiness and of financial, industrial, agricultural and commercial leadership in the world lies in a drastic change in economic governmental policies.
We believe that a party platform is a covenant with the people to have [sic] faithfully kept by the party when entrusted with power, and that the people are entitled to know in plain words the terms of the contract to which they are asked to subscribe. We hereby declare this to be the platform of the Democratic Party:
The Democratic Party solemnly promises by appropriate action to put into effect the principles, policies, and reforms herein advocated, and to eradicate the policies, methods, and practices herein condemned. We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five per cent in the cost of the Federal Government. And we call upon the Democratic Party in the states to make a zealous effort to achieve a proportionate result.
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What will it take to reconcile the Hillary and Bernie camps?
I mean if this forum is at all representative of the democratic party at large I'm seriously worried about your election chances.
The two camps are already reconciled. There are just fringe elements that refuse to compromise on anything.What will it take to reconcile the Hillary and Bernie camps?
I mean if this forum is at all representative of the democratic party at large I'm seriously worried about your election chances.
What will it take to reconcile the Hillary and Bernie camps?
I mean if this forum is at all representative of the democratic party at large I'm seriously worried about your election chances.
Honestly? Basically every establishment Democrat to resign from the DNC. Which won't happen.
The two camps are already reconciled. There are just fringe elements that refuse to compromise on anything.
Seriously. I'm hoping that it could be as simple as a young, attractive politician that says the right things (a Kennedy and Obama type).
Sorry I just want to clarify who I'm talking to. Is this coming from a Hillary supporters perspective of a Bernie supporter or a Bernie supporter?
The Bernie progressive wing is the future of the party. The litmus test will be, do Democrats stand in favor of corporations or in favor of American workers? The old corrupt wing of the Clintons, the Feinsteins, the Schumers, etc. needs to be purged.
The New Deal purposely excluded minorities so white people would embrace it wholeheartedly. Can FDR really be as far-left as you say when he minimized civil rights, a core tenet of liberalism?
I think running with single payer might be a misstep. To the average person, they have no f'ing clue what that means.
To the average person, when you raise minimum wages it just means money is worth less across the board and causes inflation.
Now obviously, to anyone informed, that is not the case. But the average voter is not informed and you have to REALLY, REALLY keep things straightforward to reach, like, 40% of the voters out there. They are dense as hell.
"Abortion is bad"
"Lower taxes"
"Support our troops"
Shit like that some people eat right up. We need simple stuff like that, that everyone understands, but that isn't regressive, conservative, garbage.
Proven to work to the GOP base, not as much with the Democrat base, so you have to be careful with that assumption. Since minorities make up the base, the primary-voting base anyway, they are a lot 'smarter' when it comes to pie-in-the-sky promises, another reason that Bernie ultimately lost
The Bernie progressive wing is the future of the party. The litmus test will be do Democrats stand in favor of corporations or in favor of American workers. The old corrupt wing of the Clintons, the Feinsteins, the Schumers, etc. needs to be purged.
What will it take to reconcile the Hillary and Bernie camps?
I mean if this forum is at all representative of the democratic party at large I'm seriously worried about your election chances.
Now all they need is good marketing and a damn good voice behind this message to unite behind, and start deciding upon this before 2k18.
Dems need to be loud and aggressive voice or else they'll be drowned out by the already loud and aggressive Republican media machine.
What will it take to reconcile the Hillary and Bernie camps?
I mean if this forum is at all representative of the democratic party at large I'm seriously worried about your election chances.
Don't give me that.
Because even if you achieve economic justice. Minorities and women still won't be hired as much as a white male. Nor would receive as much pay as a white male. There would still be housing discrimination. If a woman is raped and Planned Parenthood is gone because "it's a social issue and part of the establishment lul" so she and the baby is fucked. You would still have to deal with unfair arrests of black and brown men. Whereas even if they get out, they're still screwed because of the stigma against ex-convicts And that's including the fact that white ex-convicts are still more likely to get a job than black guy with a clean record.
You say that this is all tied but you're the one looking at economic issues in a vacuum. Come on, now.
What will it take to reconcile the Hillary and Bernie camps?
I mean if this forum is at all representative of the democratic party at large I'm seriously worried about your election chances.