Keep moving the goalposts. Not being the majority doesn't mean equate to paltry. What is your point here? You're clearly wrong.
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Atlus releases statement on emulation, acknowledges Persona 5 PC demand
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Keep moving the goalposts. Not being the majority doesn't mean equate to paltry. What is your point here? You're clearly wrong.
What Atlus did was try to DMCA a Patreon for the emulator. Patreon reminded Atlus of fair use and refused under those grounds. Despite Patreon telling them this, Atlus pressed the issue. Patreon got in touch with the emulator's creators, and the developers and Patreon mutually agreed purely as a form of legal caution to remove references to Persona 5 from the Patreon and website for the emulator, and that's all they did. Then the developers of the emulator discussed the issue on their Reddit when asked. The developers state that they are within their legal rights for the country that they reside in and Patreon agrees with that assessment. And now Atlus is having to play PR Cleanup for something that, unlike their previous LP issue, they are clearly in the legal wrong about.
I think that was Sega, the company who owns Atlus now! There was this picture of an officially rereleased version of Streets of Rage 2 that was obviously someone's hacked ROM. Specifically, it was a ROM Hack by someone called Mr. A.
PshycoNinja
Member
You cannot be serious.
FFVII, a 90's game, as sold over a million on Steam alone. Get out of here with that.
Renegade Frost
Banned
Not being the majority is what makes it PALTRY.
Why? Because you're trying to justify entitled behavior.
Stop doing it.
I'm 100% serious.
There is no need for us to act like this tbh.
That's not what that word means. And they're just justifying legal behavior so
What? Are you being purposefully dense? You're making literally no sense.
I'm massively pro emulation.
But they had screenshots of persona on their patreon page. Atlus are completely in the right to ask them to remove it.
When emulating a machine that still has new commercial games coming out, you have to take some responsibility and not promote playing on the emulator as a alternative to buying and playing on still available hardware.
Once the hardware and game are out of print then go nuts.
But they had screenshots of persona on their patreon page. Atlus are completely in the right to ask them to remove it.
When emulating a machine that still has new commercial games coming out, you have to take some responsibility and not promote playing on the emulator as a alternative to buying and playing on still available hardware.
Once the hardware and game are out of print then go nuts.
ramoisdead
Member
Yes, Falcom is a small part of the JRPG industry. Although you keep forgetting your Final Fantasies, Tales of, Idea Factory, The Atelier Series, etc.
Renegade Frost
Banned
I'm saying you have zero influence.
So stop trying to JUSTIFY your entitlement.
Just because you bought a license to play a game does not enable you to do whatever you want with the game.
N-not enough, clearly!
Where's Front Mission 3, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? How can you have JRPGs without that one because reason!
They can ask but it's not their right. Sony had the same argument with Bleem and lost on all accounts regarding using their games as promo material. What the emulation team is doing now is just a courtesy.
Renegade Frost
Banned
What are you even trying to say dude?
You should read your own advice. Namco Bandai is doing very well with their PC ports for instance. You can keep yelling at them it's a paltry and useless audience but please let them run their business.
See Atlus? This is what happens when you start making nonsense arguments. Suddenly everyone else thinks they can do it too.
I mean you're objectively wrong about JRPGs on PC so just eat that L.
I can do whatever I want with a game locally once I own it so...
Didn't Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition sold more on Steam than PS3 or 360? Does that means that those versions are PALTRY and FROM should have stopped supporting those platforms?
EDIT: Oh they were banned.
KojiKnight
Member
As has been mentioned several times, no they are NOT within their right. The judge on the bleem case sided with bleem on the use of games as fair use.
PensivePen
Member
There's nothing to justify here. People are rightfully decrying a large developer using intimidation tactics to attempt to shut down the revenue stream for a smaller team working on legal, open source software. Your only goal in this thread seems to be to derail the conversation by making false claims (consumers don't have the right to emulate games), moving goalposts based on unproven claims (most consumers don't rip games legally), bringing up unrelated topics (size of the PC jrpg market) and just generally shitposting.
Yes, if a person bought a game they can legally use it on an emulator. And two, I wasn't arguing that in the first place, I was talking about your false claims about the PC JRPG audience.
You're a confused mess.
All this spinning is making me nauseous
SpiceMelange
Member
Actually you can't, because you have to bypass the DRM protection to use your copy of Catherine on the emulator and that part is illegal.
They asked them to remove the picture and reported it to patreon. They are not asking them to stop taking donations.
It's a commercially available game on a system that's still sold. Atlus are being completely reasonable and don't want their latest game being used to promote something that circumvents their own ability to apply quality control to their product
Audioboxer
Member
Maybe Atlus are just that serious that they do not want screenshots of Persona 5 anywhere on the internet because... did you hear spoilers ruin everything? Atlus just trying to protect the gamers.
At this rate this will probably be another topic for the Jim Sterling signal to be lit.
Again. As far as emulation is concerned - as long as it is your own copy, and you are not from a country like the UK - yes you are.
Now, you've shit posted up an entire page of this thread, stop.
KojiKnight
Member
Other way around. They tried to DMCA take down their patreon, then the emu authors decided to take down references as a legal precaution.
They were going after their revenue stream.
PensivePen
Member
They requested the removal of their patreon page.
Audioboxer
Member
Emulators are legal in the UK, as is backing up a copy of something you own.
DongBeetle
Banned
Why does Sega give this company the freedom to do this dumb shit
Atlus has the creative freedom to act like a damn fool.
That is completely irrelevant from a legal point of view.
They didn't promote any kind of piracy, they even tell you how you can dump your original games by yourself.
https://rpcs3.net/quickstart
Zomba13
Member
With atlus talking shit about emulators being illegal they do know you can pirate PS3 games right?
Like, they know that right? So, seeing as they don't want anyone to play the game illegally then they should block all PS3s from playing Persona 5 right? Because some people could be using CFW and playing pirated copies.
Like, they know that right? So, seeing as they don't want anyone to play the game illegally then they should block all PS3s from playing Persona 5 right? Because some people could be using CFW and playing pirated copies.
Shit, I stand corrected then. I thought I read they asked them to remove all references first then went the dcma route after.
How can a company that make such lovely menu animations be evil ;(
SpiceMelange
Member
Circumventing DRM is 100% illegal by the digital millenium act, I did some research before on that regarding wii u emulation. Guess I'll have to dig it up
I'm not sure how much it matters, I can do it and there isn't anything Atlus can do regardless.
GrantDaNasty
Member
As someone who bought P5 from the PSN store 2 weeks before it launched, played through the entirety of it within a week, and ended up loving a lot of it (there are many points of criticism, but it is still an excellent JRPG), I cannot argue with anything stated in this post.
Atlus (wheter it's Japan or the whole company) has no fucking idea what their audience actually wants, nor do they have any idea why they gained that audience to BEGIN with. (I only started becoming a fan of their games as a result of the Giant Bomb P4 ER, and have played through P3, P4, P4G, P5, P4A, Persona Q, Digital Devil Saga etc.)
Potentially misinformed post below:
I don't believe bypassing whatever DRM on the disc is actually illegal, providing you're using it for personal use. The closest example I can think of is the Content Scramble System present on DVDs. In 2009 it was ruled the US that bypassing this system to sell copies of DVDs was illegal, but the law itself does not pertain to personal use (the legality of which is still undefined IIRC). These laws will also differentiate by country. Therefore, it's likely that there is no actual law determining whether someone can bypass whatever DRM a publisher implements in their games provided they're doing it for personal use. Additionally, RPCS3 itself does not disseminate any copyrighted content, the program itself only serves to emulate PS3 hardware. Getting your game files to work with RPCS3 is a process done outside of the emulator.
If you can find any further information I'd be very interested in reading it!
Were talking about an industry where its normal for major products to be evaluated in a remote location on equipment completely provided by the publisher. Whats hard to get about them wanting the media out there to reflect the game they made? To be clear - Im 100% not talking about the ability to play the software in an emulator, but the capture and upload of images/sound/video from such.
Audioboxer
Member
https://gizmodo.com/its-perfectly-legal-to-tell-people-how-to-remove-drm-1670223538
Doesn't appear to be that clear cut. It seems to depend on what you do with something after you've removed or bypassed DRM.
PensivePen
Member
Still irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Atlus doesn't want people pirating their games?
That's not the point, the point is equating emulation to piracy like you're doing on a forum where speaking about piracy is banned is just shitposting that detracts from the people who actually want to talk about emulation.
SpiceMelange
Member
Nah the simple act of circumventing drm is illegal, even for personal copies. Here's an article about it
http://info.legalzoom.com/dmca-backup-copyrighted-content-22827.html
Your article is about the talk of sharing information how to do circumvention of drm, not the act itself
I play a lot of emulated games. Virtual Console, PS1 Classics, PS2 Classics, PC releases, Xbox BC, etc.
Data doesnt exist really so theres no point in it being the center of discussion because it leads nowhere is pretty much it, IMO.
If that was the case they wouldn't have waited 5 months after the release. I'm sure millions of people are watching videos of P5 running on the emulator and saying they won't be buying the game now because they saw glitches on the video.
Well played sir. Well played.