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[MadLaughter]

Can anyone re-explain Vision's origin from the movie, for me? How organic is he? He had vibranium? Was his consciousness literally just Jarvis+Mind Gem=vision, or was there more to it?

What was it that determined his morality? I was sort've distracted by how good he looked and sounded that I don't think I absorbed the words fully.

 

[Blader]

It wasn't just you. His transformations/upgrades were pretty poorly handled.

He goes from zombie robot to basically his final form, design-wise, in about 10 minutes. Every "upgrade" after that just looked like he got bigger.

The Vibranium body was the only upgrade after that.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

I really liked Hawkeye's speech to Scarlet Witch.

"We're fighting an army of robots on a flying city! You have psychic powers! I have a bow and arrow! None of this makes any sense!"

Or something along those lines.

 

[Sobriquet]

Sorry if this has been frequently covered, but the thread is huge. Is there a pic of Wanda in her costume? I totally missed that at the end.

 

[MadLaughter]

So, I just realized that Vision is sort of marked for death, because we all know Thanos is eventually getting all of those gems.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Sorry if this has been frequently covered, but the thread is huge. Is there a pic of Wanda in her costume? I totally missed that at the end.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

That's mainly what they were. Just fodder to keep the Avengers busy while Ultron completed his plan. Ultron made it clear that he wanted to be the one responsible for the Avengers' deaths, not his minions.

But Ultron was all of them - hence his conversation with Vision through the weaker drone at the end of the battle as it was trying to escape.

 

[Carbonox]

Loved Wanda's little entrance at the end in her new gettup. My favourite character of the film I think and can't wait to see more of her. Do we know if Olsen's signed up to more than just Civil War? She's gotta remain as a primary character now.

 

[a916]

Anyone else have an issue with how stupid and convoluted Ultron's final plan was?

What the hell was up with him and his fascination with an asteroid that made THAT plan so important?

And if he was able to make a giant drill of Vibranium, couldn't he have taken like 1% and coated himself with it?

For an AI awakening and going full on Skynet, that was such a terrible execution for an AI hell bent on "protecting by destroying humanity."

 

[Busaiku]

Anyone else disappointed that Sam wasn't part of the final rescue operation?

 

[Chuckie]

Loved Wanda's little entrance at the end in her new gettup. My favourite character of the film I think and can't wait to see more of her. Do we know if Olsen's signed up to more than just Civil War? She's gotta remain as a primary character now.

I agree with you mate! I think I read somewhere she would show up in Civil War, but I don't know if that is a rumor or confirmed.

 

[Carbonox]

Anyone else have an issue with how stupid and convoluted Ultron's final plan was?

What the hell was up with him and his fascination with an asteroid that made THAT plan so important?

And if he was able to make a giant drill of Vibranium, couldn't he have taken like 1% and coated himself with it?

For an AI awakening and going full on Skynet, that was such a terrible execution for an AI hell bent on "protecting by destroying humanity."

Probably saw that it was so successful based on history that it would be again. He was going after nuclear launch codes as well though (either as the primary plan initially, backup plan should the asteroid thing not work or as an additional salvo against Earth) so it may not have been his ONLY plan to strive for.

 

[richiek]

Anyone else disappointed that Sam wasn't part of the final rescue operation?

Anthony Mackie was brought in at the last minute. Even he didn't know he was going to be in the film.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The Vibranium body was the only upgrade after that.

Is that the one where he destroyed "himself" in front of Black Widow?

 

[kirblar]

I agree with you mate! I think I read somewhere she would show up in Civil War, but I don't know if that is a rumor or confirmed.

Confirmed.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Can anyone re-explain Vision's origin from the movie, for me? How organic is he? He had vibranium? Was his consciousness literally just Jarvis+Mind Gem=vision, or was there more to it?

What was it that determined his morality? I was sort've distracted by how good he looked and sounded that I don't think I absorbed the words fully.

I think it's just like you said. I guess the Gem gave him extra powers, hence he could shoot a laser out of his forehead, but I took it to simply be a version of JARVIS, probably with some extra knowledge from his encounters (and victories against) Ultron, and his pre-existing code controlling stuff like morality and loyalty. JARVIS was pretty much already there, as he controlled the Iron Legion already, it's just that he got the body from the hot Korean doctor's lab.

 

[RellyRell28]

So, I just realized that Vision is sort of marked for death, because we all know Thanos is eventually getting all of those gems.

Yeah I'm interested in how that will turn out.

 

[jmood88]

Anyone else have an issue with how stupid and convoluted Ultron's final plan was?

What the hell was up with him and his fascination with an asteroid that made THAT plan so important?

He was obsessed with God ending life and starting everything over. I don't know why he was fascinated with meteorites specifically but I guess he just liked how the dinosaurs were wiped out and wanted to emulate that. He was an insane robot, though.

And if he was able to make a giant drill of Vibranium, couldn't he have taken like 1% and coated himself with it?

His last body was made with Vibranium but Vision was supposed to be his ultimate form.

 

[Busaiku]

Anthony Mackie was brought in at the last minute. Even he didn't know he was going to be in the film.

Dang, that sucks.

 

[Neoxon]

I need to rewatch this ASAP.

Fucking brilliant flick.

I need to rewatch it to be sure of any critiques I may have had. My little brother hated the opening scene but enjoyed the rest of the film, I guess the 2nd viewing may open my eyes to that if at all.

 

[E the Shaggy]

It kind of seems weird that they didn't go into why Stark came out of retirement from Iron Man 3. That seemed like the definitive ending for him.

 

[Sobriquet]

Awesome, thanks!

 

[Zeyphersan]

I need to rewatch it to be sure of any critiques I may have had. My little brother hated the opening scene but enjoyed the rest of the film, I guess the 2nd viewing may open my eyes to that if at all.

I don't want to do a total 180 on this movie on the second viewing, but it might happen

I totally loved the opening scene when they're storming the base. Thought it was great

 

[Xpike]

It kind of seems weird that they didn't go into why Stark came out of retirement from Iron Man 3. That seemed like the definitive ending for him.

That's actually one of the things I liked the most about this movie, they spent absolutely no time explaining how the Avengers came back together, just that they reunited to hunt down HYDRA. I'm sure there's a tie-in comic that explains it, though.

 

[Chuckie]

Confirmed.

Niiiiiice.

I totally loved the opening scene when they're storming the base. Thought it was great

I loved it except for that one stupid shot with all the Avengers in the frame.

 

[Neoxon]

Niiiiiice.



I loved it except for that one stupid shot with all the Avengers in the frame.

That was actually one of my favorites, it's like it was ripped right out of the comics.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I loved it except for that one stupid shot with all the Avengers in the frame.

That was cheesy in the best way possible. Like it was dumb, but it totally knew it was dumb and I had the biggest grin on my face

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

It is really good. Its funny, touching, and has impressive action; everything you could want in a blockbuster movie. I liked Ultron's motivation and creative plan, but he isn't as much of a physical threat as I had hoped. Other than that, the new characters are good additions to the cast. Despite a lot of reviews I read, I think the story stands on its own and isn't too bloated with world-building. Overall I'd say Marvel did it again: crafting a large scale superhero movie with beautiful character moments and unbelievable action. I'm excited to watch it again very soon.

 

[Renekton]

It kind of seems weird that they didn't go into why Stark came out of retirement from Iron Man 3. That seemed like the definitive ending for him.

Nothing about IM3 said he was retiring.

All he did was destroy the suits he made during post-Avengers1 PTSD era.

There was even a "Iron Man will be back" at end of movie.

 

[Crazymoogle]

I think it's just like you said. I guess the Gem gave him extra powers, hence he could shoot a laser out of his forehead, but I took it to simply be a version of JARVIS, probably with some extra knowledge from his encounters (and victories against) Ultron, and his pre-existing code controlling stuff like morality and loyalty. JARVIS was pretty much already there, as he controlled the Iron Legion already, it's just that he got the body from the hot Korean doctor's lab.

Well, it's supposed to be a mix - as he says himself in the film. He has the personality base of JARVIS but the sentience and powers of the Mind Gem (which itself is basically one of the most sophisticated programs in the universe). I gather some vibranium was involved in the body construction (plus the skin provided by K-Doc) to enable his phase powers and generally make him relatively invincible (by Ultron standards).

Ultron's final form was comparatively disappointing because it didn't seem that different or "vibranium strength"

 

[Kinyou]

Loved Wanda's little entrance at the end in her new gettup. My favourite character of the film I think and can't wait to see more of her. Do we know if Olsen's signed up to more than just Civil War? She's gotta remain as a primary character now.

Didn't even know she'll be in Civil War. Really interested where they'll go with her character. She seems actually very fine in that shot but I imagine that she's more broken inside

Spoiler

after QSs death

 

[HeySeuss]

I was a little disappointed that the movie didn't divide the team more to set up Civil War. Seems like the public will have more influence on the teams split than of their own beliefs.

For somebody that doesn't know the comics and gets my info from here, I wouldn't have even known that a split of the group is on the horizon based on the events of the movie. Yeah they were mad at Tony for creating Ultron, but it wasn't something they really dwelled much on.

 

[E the Shaggy]

And bravo to Whedon for making the Vision so cool.

That final conversation between Vision and Ultron was probably one of my favorite scenes of the flick.

Also, heard quite a few gasps in my theater when Vision lifted the hammer.

 

[Neoxon]

Though I have a feeling that War Machine may switch over to Stark's side for Civil War.

And bravo to Whedon for making the Vision so cool.

That final conversation between Vision and Ultron was probably one of my favorite scenes of the flick.

Also, heard quite a few gasps in my theater when Vision lifted the hammer.

This. Vision & the Twins definitely delivered.

 

[MMarston]

Thought I should share, but here's a video of a bunch of people sticking around until the very end of the credits and (as many of you know) getting fucking nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrG-nxZ17qw

 

[Chuckie]

That was actually one of my favorites, it's like it was ripped right out of the comics.

That was cheesy in the best way possible. Like it was dumb, but it totally knew it was dumb and I had the biggest grin on my face

Haha. Fun to see that what some hate, others love

 

[Kinyou]

Thought I should share, but here's a video of a bunch of people sticking around until the very end of the credits and (as many of you know) getting fucking nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrG-nxZ17qw

Yep, pretty much the same reaction when I was there, lol

 

[Sanctuary]

Prior to the film's release, there was that quote from Whedon about there being a scene that was intended for Captain Marvel that was changed to Scarlet Witch at the last minute. I'm willing to bet it's the very last shot where the "Cap Avengers" are together. Whedon said it was "a shot where a character flies in for a signature moment" and they changed because they didn't think it'd be a proper introduction.

Edit: Yep, that's the scene.

http://badassdigest.com/2015/04/14/joss-whedon-shot-fx-plates-for-captain-marvel-in-age-of-ultron/

That ending scene was really odd. It actually looked to me like they were introducing a new character in the first shot, but then I kind of assumed it was just Wanda...with her hair suddenly dyed blonde?

 

[TwoDurans]

What was the big deal with not letting Cap say "Assemble"? The first one was chuckle-worthy, but it seemed really odd at the end there.

 

[BronsonLee]

Things that got my theater roaring/gasping;

Opening one shot
Cap moving the hammer
Vision holding the hammer
Quicksilver dying

 

[Ithil]

That ending scene was really odd. It actually looked to me like they were introducing a new character in the first shot, but then I kind of assumed it was just Wanda...with her hair suddenly dyed blonde?

It's just a lighter brown. It's the hairstyle change to curls that makes her look different.

 

[a916]

And bravo to Whedon for making the Vision so cool.

That final conversation between Vision and Ultron was probably one of my favorite scenes of the flick.

Also, heard quite a few gasps in my theater when Vision lifted the hammer.

People really liked that Vision makeup? It looked so terrible to me. Red face paint, hated it.

Yeah, Vision grabbing the hammer got the loudest OOOOHH,

 

[DeathyBoy]

Thought I should share, but here's a video of a bunch of people sticking around until the very end of the credits and (as many of you know) getting fucking nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrG-nxZ17qw

It's lame as shit that they're ending that tradition.

I mean how hard would it have been to have Nick Fury walk into Avengers HQ, see Vision, the two trade a look, and Nick Fury gets pissed off that Vision has three eyes and he's only got one.

NICK FURY: Gonna have to get me one of those gems.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Loved Wanda's little entrance at the end in her new gettup. My favourite character of the film I think and can't wait to see more of her. Do we know if Olsen's signed up to more than just Civil War? She's gotta remain as a primary character now.

I can't imagine they hire anyone for these movies without the option for at least a couple of sequels.

I was a little disappointed that the movie didn't divide the team more to set up Civil War. Seems like the public will have more influence on the teams split than of their own beliefs.

For somebody that doesn't know the comics and gets my info from here, I wouldn't have even known that a split of the group is on the horizon based on the events of the movie. Yeah they were mad at Tony for creating Ultron, but it wasn't something they really dwelled much on.

I took this to indicate that there are cracks forming in the team, and the catalyst, like the comics, will be the New Warriors blowing up a town when fighting a villain or villains.

 

[Sanctuary]

It's just a lighter brown. It's the hairstyle change to curls that makes her look different.

The lighting made it look more than just a lighter brown. It was lighter than dishwater blonde too when they had a shot of her on the ground. Anyway, it took me a few seconds to realize that it was even the same character. But yeah, the curls didn't help matters either.

Hey look, it's the new Jennifer Lawrence character!

 

[Triggerhappytel]

That was cheesy in the best way possible. Like it was dumb, but it totally knew it was dumb and I had the biggest grin on my face

I agree with that. It was a fun, dumb way to re-introduce the characters.

 

[Anton Sugar]

This. Vision & the Twins definitely delivered.

The Twins were...okay. Not bad, but not great. Weak/brushed over character motivations, but both actors did a lot with what they had.

Still unclear on what Scarlet Witch's powers are. She's got the power of Scarecrow's nightmare gas, which can also blow up robots.

What was the big deal with not letting Cap say "Assemble"? The first one was chuckle-worthy, but it seemed really odd at the end there.

Ugh, it was so fucking stupid.

 

[E the Shaggy]

Still unclear on what Scarlet Witch's powers are. She's got the power of Scarecrow's nightmare gas, which can also blow up robots.

Hill explains that she can manipulate peoples' minds and has telekenesis.

She's basically Jean Grey from the X-Men rather than having reality altering powers (which are way too difficult to explain anyway)

 

[Winterfang]

The Twins were...okay. Not bad, but not great. Weak/brushed over character motivations, but both actors did a lot with what they had.

Still unclear on what Scarlet Witch's powers are. She's got the power of Scarecrow's nightmare gas, which can also blow up robots.



Ugh, it was so fucking stupid.

I believe she can bend space and he can bend time. He is fast and she is weird.

 

[kurahador]

Still unclear on what Scarlet Witch's powers are. She's got the power of Scarecrow's nightmare gas, which can also blow up robots.

The same can be said about Ultron. First we see him firing lasers which makes sense I guess considering he's a robot, then in Korea we see him levitate roads.
I mean wth??