baby didn't want to sleep with her because he thought he got out of the gang and no longer have to be a getaway driver. Life is going to be normal from then on, but now he's getting dragged back into it. It's a bit difficult to be in the mood when your boss who is this powerful guy just threatened your adopted father and girlfriend.
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Baby Driver (dir. Edgar Wright) |OT| All You Need Is One Killer Track
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EliteArtist
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also the fact that if he had slept with her, he wouldn't be in final girl/scream queen status against Jason "Buddy" Van Horn in the final fight. Think about it.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
Even though
Kevin Spacey's character makes no sense? He goes from threatening to cripple Baby to literally sacrificing himself for Baby over the course of a couple days just because he sees that Baby has a girlfriend.
his relationship with his foster dad, his time spent not working for Spacey's character
has an aversion to violence that presumably stems from watching his mom die, and then kills Bats in a pretty gruesome way just days later.
I enjoyed the film, but there were a lot of huuuuge plot holes and a glaring lack of depth behind every character, Baby included.
what we saw with Baby spending time with his dad, dancing and making him food was good enough for me. I didn't need a day by day play. From the short time it was shown, you can see that his dad didn't want him being involved but he was powerless to stop Baby. Plus Baby being the provider for the two of them as well helps.
did you not see how far Bats pushed Baby? Even the most non-confrontational person like Baby would be pushed over the edge. Context man.
the doc relationship did feel quite sudden to me too, but i probably need to rewatch the film to come to a solid conclusion. i have a feeling that the
nephew scene
i thought his relationship with the foster dad was pretty good personally, and i'm not sure what could have been added to make it better. what did you think was missing?
and i don't think baby necessarily has an aversion to violence, just that he feels deeply uncomformtable with innocent people getting hurt at the hands of bad people
(like how his mother suffered from domestic abuse). that's why he goes from just looking away from the crews killing innocent people to actively trying to stop them from doing so (knocking the shotgun away, giving the baby back, warning the bank worker, returning the purse) but conversely agrees to take the car with jd in to the pound and watches it get crushed even though he's initially slightly reluctant. it's only when innocent people that he is close to are hurt/threatened that he finally snaps. bats ransacked his apartment and possibly attacked his foster dad as well as threatened violence towards debora. buddy threatened to kill debora and killed doc. so i think it's less that he comes across as a pacifist who is uncomfortable with any sort of violence but more that he has a nagging conscious and doesn't want to see any more innocent people get hurt, and is pushed over the edge by the two people that threaten the people he cares for.
Primethius
Banned
Watched it yesterday. Loved the movie.
If Spiderman didn't come out next week, I'd probably go for a rewatch.
If Spiderman didn't come out next week, I'd probably go for a rewatch.
Yay
Great interview with Edgar Wright and Joe Loya, a former bank robber who is a consultant on Baby Driver: http://www.npr.org/2017/06/30/535059276/baby-driver-follows-criminal-who-wants-out-of-the-game
Martinski43
Member
Watched it last night in a Dolby Atmos theatre, now that theatre experience was something else. Those reclining puffy seats and dat sound tho. It was like the VIP theatre in my local cineplex in Sweden turned to 11. So i get why tickets were $25 for that theatre its pretty much same for VIP ones there.
Also the movie it was great fun romp, loved the writing.
Who doesnt like hats tho?
Also the movie it was great fun romp, loved the writing.
Who doesnt like hats tho?
c'mon, it's a fine opinion. for one thing, pain and gain was actually funny. baby driver was more of an amused chuckle movie.
I loved the film almost in-spite of the story as strange as it sounds. Strip away the stellar film making and the central conceit and it's a pretty trite and an uneven story at the core of the film. Some of the character development was a bit all over the shop as well.
The other slight criticism I had was that it basically topped itself out on the first two car scenes and the car stuff never really hit those heights again.
The other slight criticism I had was that it basically topped itself out on the first two car scenes and the car stuff never really hit those heights again.
The One Who Knocks
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How comparable is the style of the trailers and promotional material to the movie itself? Do they give an accurate representation as to what the movie is like or are they quite different? I ask as I really haven't liked the promotional material but I love Wright as a director (but I don't like Scott Pilgrim) and I'm torn over whether to see it as a result, especially when some of the opinions here are divided.
So I'll say the international trailer is okay, but its really hard to do it justice with a trailer. A lot of what makes the actual movie work is in how deliberately set/paced/choreographed each scene is, and thats hard to convey in a two minute trailer. I was kinda iffy on promotional matetial too, but the movie itself really impressed me.
If you love Wright as a director you will love a lot about this movie. Its probably his best made film.
Spartancarver
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Loved it. Some of Spacey's lines had me howling laughing. 10/10 soundtrack
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Just bought my ticket, seeing the first showing this morning.
Doctor Ironic
Member
That's Baby's entire arc.
At the beginning of the movie, he's outright ignoring the consequences of his complicitness in violent acts. This is what the armored truck robbery was supposed to indicate - he pulls forward just a few feet to avoid having to look at the acts his coworkers are doing, but catches a glimpse of the aftermath anyways. Baby goes from believing in sanitized violence to realizing violence has consequences and those who wish to inflict it upon others must be stopped by violent means if necessary.
He's given a bit of culture shock when he's forced to humanize the lower-class post office worker, and then when he knows that Bats is going to harm her simply for being there (for being poor, essentially) he takes it into his own hands to stop him.
He's given a bit of culture shock when he's forced to humanize the lower-class post office worker, and then when he knows that Bats is going to harm her simply for being there (for being poor, essentially) he takes it into his own hands to stop him.
but he didn't learn about consequences, really? I mean to have him only serve five years for what really should've put him away for life and to come out to this picturesque ideal life. That's a strange message to send.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Just saw it. Bloody loved it.
Doctor Ironic
Member
I'm not talking about the long-term consequences of crime, I'm referring to the immediate consequences of violence - in other words, that people die when they are killed. Baby attempting to believe that something like robbing banks can be done non-lethally is an example of this sanitized violence, where nobody really gets hurt and everyone is fine - a fantasy sold by your typical Heat speech, where everyone is refunded of the money they're stolen and nobody is permanently injured. (Heat itself is already a movie about how this ideology is wrong, but that's another discussion.)
The surprise is not that Baby gets violent, it's that he uses this violence to stop the ruling class who would inflict it upon innocent poor people.
The surprise is not that Baby gets violent, it's that he uses this violence to stop the ruling class who would inflict it upon innocent poor people.
How could Buddy have ever been in Doc's role, when Baby's actions got Darling killed?
The music selection is good, and it's not really a knock against the film. It's just that for me, the most fun the movie gets is
during the "Tequila" gunfight
The trailer is borderline accurate - it shows too much of the car chases, and almost all of the car chase scenes are in the trailers. There's very few driving surprises left inside the movie, which bummed me out. It also doesn't show how tightly the first third hews to the score.
It's a great, fun film, but I'd have enjoyed it more if I'd read that the third act doesn't quite live up to the first two. Final act is a good act, but it loses energy and focus present in the first two. I'd also have really enjoyed
the 24 hour ATL police chase that was inferred in a line of dialog, but failed to happen.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Just got back, loved it. The
were the best scenes.
"Tequila" gunfight and the "Hocus Pocus" footchase
What kind of shallow projection is this?
Not verbatim, but he understood baby and was in love. His character and his interactions with Baby throughout the film do not match up with what he does at the end.
Saw it last night, wife liked it more then me.
I'm not sure why, but while watching I kept thinking "this is nice but somehow is not connecting".
Would have never guessed this is a Edgar Wright movie without knowing.
Also had REAL trouble understanding anything Jamie Foxx was saying.
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Also think that Jon Bernthal should have had Hamm's role. Hamm is just TOO NICE
I'm not sure why, but while watching I kept thinking "this is nice but somehow is not connecting".
Would have never guessed this is a Edgar Wright movie without knowing.
Also had REAL trouble understanding anything Jamie Foxx was saying.
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Also think that Jon Bernthal should have had Hamm's role. Hamm is just TOO NICE
Baby got his lover killed.
I don't think there's anything remotely inconsistent about that. Very few people would "understand" that, and he was established to be highly protective of her.
I don't think there's anything remotely inconsistent about that. Very few people would "understand" that, and he was established to be highly protective of her.
I think its more on you and not the movie being niche in its taste if Tequila was the only song you recognized.
Yeah, I have no idea why people think that what he ended up doing was out of character. The Doc thing, on the other hand, made no sense.
The music in this film seriously detracted from my overall viewing experience.
As someone who holds no affinity for what sounded like 70s/80s rock (???) music, it made segments of the film unbearable. The first 10-15 minutes of the film were so obnoxious with him spazzing out to random songs and etc. At one point, I was beginning to think he had some sort of autism, but that probably wasn't it.
The characters and plot were great, as was the stunt driving; Bats was a very menacing presence on screen, Jamie Foxx played him perfectly. Doc turning out to be a
The ending was upsetting though. It should have ended right where he was
(unless this was some dream sequence, lol). That moment completely undermined the emotional impacts of the preceding
scenes.
Verdict: 7/10; Edgar Wright should have exercised some restraint.
As someone who holds no affinity for what sounded like 70s/80s rock (???) music, it made segments of the film unbearable. The first 10-15 minutes of the film were so obnoxious with him spazzing out to random songs and etc. At one point, I was beginning to think he had some sort of autism, but that probably wasn't it.
The characters and plot were great, as was the stunt driving; Bats was a very menacing presence on screen, Jamie Foxx played him perfectly. Doc turning out to be a
genuine friend in the end was a very pleasant surprise.
The ending was upsetting though. It should have ended right where he was
posting Debora's postcards on the mirror, but instead it cuts to him being released a few years later and sharing a big fucking cliché kiss with her
capture/court house/postcard
Verdict: 7/10; Edgar Wright should have exercised some restraint.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Why would there be a sequel?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Huh, this one didn't land for me. Its phenomenally well directed, Edgar Wright showing that his style works incredibly well even outside of comedy, but the core Baby/Debora relationship just didn't do anything for me at all
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think your reading of the violence arc is supported by the text, but I really think you're stretching to make this about class in any meaningful sense. The only character who seems to be "upper class" is maybe Spacey's character and even then its not super solid for me.
Their relationship was pretty much every "one last job" movie in existence, which is somewhat surprising, considering Wright's work in projects like Shaun of the Dead
jokingbird
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Pretty sure that was a dream sequence as neither of them had aged at least 5 years for his first parole and it echoed his previous ones. Either way that was where he was heading in the future even if it was one, so it is more up to you if that bothers you.
I really enjoyed the music, and without that enjoyment I can see the movie being a little off. But really that is the crux of most musicals. If you don't like the beat, then you are not going to enjoy the synchronicity between the action and the songs.
I found Lily James super attractive in this movie. Makes me jealous of Matt Smith.
This is pretty much exactly how I felt about it. Didn't really come together for me, and you definitely have some of his trademarks but didn't really seem to come alive in the same ways that his movies usually do. For me at least.
Warm Machine
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It's not shallow at all.
It seems odd in a R rated movie with a love story at its core and where people get their heads shot off with shotguns, impaled, or run over but the two romantic leads are not allowed to be sexual. It comes off as simply being scared to do the scene and I'm curious why this is. Besides the slasher movie meta there isn't a good reason to keep that relationship oddly innocent.
Baron von Loathsome
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This is a weird way of thinking about it. There's more to romance than just sex, and this movie's relationship comes from shared interests, not desire.
Not every R-rated crime flick has to have porking just because there's a love story in the mix. The scene played fine -- Baby not wanting to sleep with a woman he likes (and recently met) isn't strange, and syncs with his character. Baby certainly didn't seem like the type to ditch courtship to get straight to the fucking.
Baby, despite his getaway shenanigans, was definitely "innocent". His and Debora's relationship was played with a kind of, I don't know, 50s bubble-gummy kind of twee-ness that was pretty endearing.
I feel you on that, for sure. The romance was easily my least favorite part of the movie but I appreciate some bits of it. Artificial is totally the word for it, though.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No but it does make it all the weirder then of how quickly they escalate to
seemingly being in love and running away forever.
I'm pretty sure you entirely misread their relationship. Admittedly, I don't think it was particularly strong part of the movie either.
Also R doesn't mean boning.
Hot Fuzz was a romance at its heart and nobody had sex.