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Bernie Sanders' Campaign Is Concerned About supporters harressing others online.
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But one can certainly lead to the other.
OuterLimits
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Conservatives on GAF? There are like 5 of us I think, and I don't say Killary. I can't speak for the other four though.
Hylianhero777
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I think this is more an issue of demographics than anything else. Bernie obviously has the support of a younger, more internet savvy crowd, so if you frequent the internet you will see this loud minority more than the loud minority of Hillary supporters that I'm sure exist, but aren't as inclined to post on twitter, facebook, or an online forum. Personally I'm appalled by these supporters and I'm glad Bernie's campaign is taking steps to call them out, but to hold an entire group of people responsible for what must amount to maybe 3-5% of his supporters? That's ridiculous.
Please take a look at this blog post (not saying I endorse this guy 100%) that I was linked to yesterday that does a good job showing how this "Bernie Bro" (wow that's smug and condescending) stuff has been blown up even when some of these allegations are false, including one in the Jezebel article. http://www.carlbeijer.com/2016/01/how-many-smears-on-sanders-supporters.html
Please take a look at this blog post (not saying I endorse this guy 100%) that I was linked to yesterday that does a good job showing how this "Bernie Bro" (wow that's smug and condescending) stuff has been blown up even when some of these allegations are false, including one in the Jezebel article. http://www.carlbeijer.com/2016/01/how-many-smears-on-sanders-supporters.html
OuterLimits
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Well, the Jeb campaign doesn't really have that problem. Mainly because he doesn't have many supporters, but still.
The most vocal online comments I see are usually Cruz, Trump, and Sanders supporters. Granted, the Cruz and Trump people seem to be attacking each other at the moment.
Hillary and Obama supporters were pretty nasty at times to each other years ago.
It was the same paranoid, OTT bullshit from the Paulbots when Ron Paul ran for the presidency. Anyone who didn't support The Paul was somehow a corporate "shill" (there's that word again) and an apologist for mass murderers (WTF?!). And what really irked me was how their supporters insisted the "Ron Paul Revolution" was sweeping America and the "establishment" were in a panic. Lol. Then the primary results came in and Paul did dismally, as expected. Many Sanders supporters I suspect are former Paulites and spreading the same lies about Sanders' campaign being a mass movement. It ain't, not by a long shot.
oneils
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I think she's talking about democratic primary voters and not voters in the general.
Gordon Shumway
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This is dope, Larry.Here's an illustration I did of Bernie earlier today. Feel free to use it when you harass his non supporters online!
I am human, I enjoy being proven right. I been saying for months that Bernheads were pushing away people. A lot of people with big and important platforms. Hell around Sept a lot of folks in alternative media just said fuck it and stopped talking about Bernie at all because they didn't want to spend the next week blocking emails, tweets, voicemail, etc.
Yep, Elon was there at Netroots so he been seeing this shit sense second 1
There is reason to believe that the media is against Bernie Sanders. Whether some people go overboard on it is another matter entirely, but let's not dismiss the facts of the matter and pretend its not happening.
All last year, the actual amount of news coverage was like 10 minutes all together, usually in small bites and most of the time negatively and even using the Hillary campaigns arguments directly against him, trying to trap him into talking about her negatively to have a soundbite.
Hillary on the other hand, has never once been called out for corporate corruption outside of the debates by the other candidates
(in which she was somehow universally called the winner in literally every one in big bold letters with literally no real nuance on the actions of the other debaters, or besides the fact that apparently she absolutely dominated, which was not the case in even her best showing)
and every interview has her looking like a victim of an attack because Bernie happens to want to highlight those issues.
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2015/10/19/systemic-media-bias-could-destroy-american-politics
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/if_sanders_won_the_focus_groups_and_online_polls_20151014
The DNC and DWS have clearly not recused themselves in the debate schedule either or on cable news about their behavior during interviews, despite DWS being her campaign co chair in 2007, and none of them have even admitted to that being the case to the public.
That email shit was absolutely a non story, and in the end, amounted to nothing, while the real issues on supporting TPP before she was against it and such, or even talking about the TPP in general were almost never explained to the viewer simply watching the news.
For me, its absolutely ridiculous to say that you can blow up certain Sanders supporters for being assholes(and there are many who are young, dumb and stuff like all kids are), yet not actively see the actual unfairness.
Like in the Iowa debate a few days ago for example, where they were constantly trying to hammer Sanders for "punishing rich people" and "bringing back big government", and basically spamming the "he'll raise taxes!" on every single article without any context into the savings for his plans, while Clinton gets softball questions like "which President inspires you the most?"
Absolutely shameful...
the worst bias is ignoring the people entirely...thousands and thousands of people have been marching for days, for weeks, in all the major cities in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1zqYSK39bg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KwzOpLEhvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JapXIVWxc-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfeqbCgttA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfeqbCgttA
But just watching the corporate media, you'd never once hear a peep about it, and would not even know it was happening without social media, literally zero major media networks have covered it. If it was Hillary rallies being coordinated on this huge level so systematically, i don't believe for a second they would not be tripping all over themselves to cover that shit
All last year, the actual amount of news coverage was like 10 minutes all together, usually in small bites and most of the time negatively and even using the Hillary campaigns arguments directly against him, trying to trap him into talking about her negatively to have a soundbite.
Hillary on the other hand, has never once been called out for corporate corruption outside of the debates by the other candidates
(in which she was somehow universally called the winner in literally every one in big bold letters with literally no real nuance on the actions of the other debaters, or besides the fact that apparently she absolutely dominated, which was not the case in even her best showing)
and every interview has her looking like a victim of an attack because Bernie happens to want to highlight those issues.
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2015/10/19/systemic-media-bias-could-destroy-american-politics
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/if_sanders_won_the_focus_groups_and_online_polls_20151014
The DNC and DWS have clearly not recused themselves in the debate schedule either or on cable news about their behavior during interviews, despite DWS being her campaign co chair in 2007, and none of them have even admitted to that being the case to the public.
That email shit was absolutely a non story, and in the end, amounted to nothing, while the real issues on supporting TPP before she was against it and such, or even talking about the TPP in general were almost never explained to the viewer simply watching the news.
For me, its absolutely ridiculous to say that you can blow up certain Sanders supporters for being assholes(and there are many who are young, dumb and stuff like all kids are), yet not actively see the actual unfairness.
Like in the Iowa debate a few days ago for example, where they were constantly trying to hammer Sanders for "punishing rich people" and "bringing back big government", and basically spamming the "he'll raise taxes!" on every single article without any context into the savings for his plans, while Clinton gets softball questions like "which President inspires you the most?"
Absolutely shameful...
the worst bias is ignoring the people entirely...thousands and thousands of people have been marching for days, for weeks, in all the major cities in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1zqYSK39bg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KwzOpLEhvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JapXIVWxc-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfeqbCgttA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfeqbCgttA
But just watching the corporate media, you'd never once hear a peep about it, and would not even know it was happening without social media, literally zero major media networks have covered it. If it was Hillary rallies being coordinated on this huge level so systematically, i don't believe for a second they would not be tripping all over themselves to cover that shit
Orbis Tabula
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What's interesting is how each supporter perceives GAF. It seems to me like some Hillary supporters think GAF is overrun with naive Bernie supporters while some Bernie supporters think GAF is mostly full of stupid Hillary fans.
You're right, young people can be jerks. That's all this is. I had to deal with the same shit in OWS, where excitable young [white] males would use it as an excuse to act a fool. Then they became the story instead of the actual problems that OWS was trying to address. (There were also some agent provocateurs, but I shouldn't get into that since it comes off like a conspiracy theory.) The point is, it has nothing to do with Bernie or his platform, it's purely a function of age. It's also interesting how much time is being spent talking about these "bros" rather than the actual issues.
DirtyLarry
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Thank you. I know I just did a drive by on this thread, but was willing to take a chance as I would like for this illustration to get out there somehow. I have done plenty of other Illustrations but this is the one I am trying to "promote." Tried Reddit but I never have luck there. Otherwise just have friends and family sharing.
So I apologize for just sharing an image in the thread and not posting OT, but I was not sure how else to do it.
The only real measure of GAF preference (that I know of) was an unofficial poll that was run a while back, maybe a month or two ago. Bernie led pretty easily.
Other than that, we don't really have any reference to point to.
Dirtyshubb
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Fantastic post, a lot of people seem to either ignore or are unable to see how biased modern news is when it comes to pushing out or stigmatising legitimate left wing opposition.
The amount of stuff we deal with in the UK, either the complete shit show of our last election or the way the media focus on bullshit things about The labour leader and ignoring some very legitimate points he has.
Eventually we will get to a point where the right side will loose completely, be it from the world going to hell and the poor uprising or the older, non Internet generation will die out and traditional media will no longer have the grip they currently have on voters.
I just hope we can get the ball rolling now so we can at least try to save this world from the near inevitable destruction we are going towards. In that case I hope Sanders wins, from reading up about him and watching his interviews I wish he was in charge here because he seems the perfect candidate to make some real change that could show that this way of thinking is what the rest of the world needs to follow.
UnemployedVillain
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Why is it that anytime Sanders, his campaign or his supporters are attached or commented on they're by "pro-Clinton" or "anti-Bernie" people? This bizarre persecution complex some of you have is getting annoying. Someone disagreeing or calling to out doesn't mean they're part of the opposition. Some people are trying to take objective looks at things and people are getting SUPER defensive. Not everyone or even most people, but a particular loud and whiny minority it seems
Also is that an entire article quoted?!
Also is that an entire article quoted?!
Your Entertainer
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Yes and yes. Ha. Greenwald is killin it recently though.
I absolutely agree with that article - it's a much more articulate critique of the position than I could hope to put out there.
Big Green Anus
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Can you elaborate on the Clinton's involvement with Haiti. If that's really true, then I really can't vote for her, but I just don't see Bill and Hillary doing that, especially since they had a charity event for Haiti.
Here's the letter.
Goldman Sachs speaking fees.
Serving on the Walmart board for 6 years as they crack down on unions.
Here's the source on Bill Clinton repealing Glass-Steagall, as if that would ever be up for debate.
Even the involvement of the Clintons couldn't stop half a billion dollars from disappearing from Haiti.
Wafflecakes
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Yup. This is the worst.
Any newspaper doesn't endorse Bernie = Establishment conspiracy
Any elected official doesn't endorse Bernie = Establishment conspiracy
Any corporate person donates to Hillary = Wall Street conspiracy
Absolutely toxic.
Exactly the opposite, actually.
(referring to the part when the redditor thought it was relevant for the interview that he has a subreddit called "nofap")
gutter_trash
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hyper partisanship can blur one's vision causing irracional hate of all opposing forces to the point of insulting because to destroy the opposition
Is there any way for a someone to express a negative opinion or doubt about Sanders without it being label as such? We had that thread where Coates wrote a negative article around Sanders and even here it was called a hit piece.
Is it best to get into the current election after the Democratic nominee has been picked?
Dash_Riprock
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I'll give Sanders this: To the best of my knowledge Ron Paul never tried to reign in his fanatics on the internet, though that may be because they all jumped ship to Bernie as the hip new "anti-establishment" candidate.
As if Bernie could police the entire internet and quiet all of the fanatics...I don't understand why the OP is seemingly blaming him or thinks that it will hurt his polling or standings. Do you think Trump's fanatics hurt his polling? When it comes to the internet and politics just expect there to be ridiculous fanaticism on both sides of the religious spectrum. And I'm sure Hillary would have more fanaticism if she were touted as being far right or far left.
Your Entertainer
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I also think it's delusional not see what's coming from the other side - a coordinated smear effort to paint opposition broadly as misogynists (etc). It's dishonest and itself off-putting - weaponizing sexism, and tacking it unjustly to any anti-clinton rhetoric. There are a lot women who support Sanders. What's sad is to marginalize their views in favor of the twisted narrative.
When someone complains about Sanders supporters, it really says more about them. Clinton has more supporters with louder, more influential posts, both in the media and otherwise. If you dedicate your time to supporting Clinton (and/or bashing Sanders), it makes sense to get the most pushback from Sanders supporters. Of course Clinton supporters won't speak up. The problem is when they take that pushback to vindicate their warped view and generalize it to all Sanders supporters. Have some supporters gone too far? Sure - but not all. I think it's just as much of a dishonest smear tactic as it is an effort to steer attention away from all of Hillary's record.
You have got to be kidding me if you don't see the overall pro-Hillary slant on GAF. I like Hillary and will vote her, but this place has been really off-putting.
Wafflecakes
Member
The delusion in this post is absolutely jaw dropping.
Some ice cream truck drivers are assholes, too. Also, podiatrists, longshoremen, and secretaries.
Your Entertainer
Member
And the penchant to attach sexism to any Sanders supporter or Clinton critique isn't toxic? It marginalizes the views of millions of female Sanders supporters and sexism in general.
On the other hand, Clinton is unabashedly, the establishment candidate, and is getting the large majority of establishment support. She's also drowning in Wall Street money. No surprises there.
Claude Kenni
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Whole lot of discussion about the fringe here. It's almost as if it's serving a political purpose.
Roland_Gunner
Member
Whole lot of minimizing the extent of harassment on the internet here. It's almost as if it's serving a political purpose.
Your Entertainer
Member
Cherry pick one line without addressing the entirety of the post itself.
Please show that anyone and any article here has stated its every Bernie supporter. And that every criticism of Clinton is met with accusations of sexism.
We need receipts.
It shows you didn't even read the linked article.
Wafflecakes
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I have personally never seen this, but if it is occurring it is toxic for sure.
Pretending that they are happening in equivalent amounts is wrong though.
Here is another perspective on the situation.
The Bernie Bros Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism and Social Activism by Glenn Greenwald.
The Bernie Bros Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism and Social Activism by Glenn Greenwald.
Shai-Tan
Banned
wow, he really took a scorched earth approach on that one
Apologies!It makes for some fun to read threads.
Wafflecakes
Member
Well the rest of it is even more worthless. I was trying to be nice by ignoring it.
I mean, no one can have their head THAT far up their own asses to believe THIS is true:
...and people can't call out Bernie supporter's inappropriate behavior because they are apparently just trying to distract from Hillary's record? Laughable.
Dash_Riprock
Member
He lost me at "despot". Give me a fucking break.
If you want a more thorough, critical look at the Clintons' activities in Haiti, read this detailed Politico longform article on it.
They are involved with a lot of charity work there. What you can probably say about their involvement is that they are well-intentioned but were not so well-prepared to deal with the idiosyncrasies of Haiti.
You certainly weren't very subtle about your sexism.
Your Entertainer
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Semantics - my general message is clear. Of course it's not "every" Bernie supporter, but smearing them as BernieBros is an actual media thing now.
I'm not referring to any particular linked article - just what was stated in that post.
I absolutely don't think they're both equivalent and I don't see any benefit to trying to argue between them. Weaponizing sexism and marginalizing female Sanders supports when faced with a few, loud assholes is shameful and the basis for the entire bullshit BernieBros narrative. Certainly worse than pointing out that Hillary is the establishment candidate and receives more money from Wall St - if that's what you're referring to.I don't want to retype everything from my larger post above.
Oh that explains everything now.
Wafflecakes
Member
Lol, you are not even trying to look at this objectively.
All poor Bernie's supporters are doing is calling Hillary the establishment candidate who gets money from wall street eh? LOLOLOLOLOL
The victim complex is strong with this post.
Your Entertainer
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Clinton has more media supporters? What's laughable about that? You're off your rocker.
And it absolutely is a very convenient way to distract from her prior efforts on the US penal state, as Coates pointed out in the Atlantic article himself.
ugh
i support sanders, and pretending the bernie bro phenomenon isn't real or deflecting criticism like this is disgusting. i've seen all kinds of shit come down on people i follow on twitter, it's nasty.
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