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[Momo]

Wow, this is not even close.

Gates.

 

[marc^o^]

Jobs, because he keeps giving and Gates is done with business.

 

[rezuth]

No, I said they were teenagers. Maybe you missed the part of the chart where Tony Hawk tied with someone like Mark Zuckerburg.

Why shouldn't he be? Zuckerberg is far from proven yet and Tony Hawk has been building himself up as a powerful business man and brandname for the last 12 years. If you think Tony Hawk is just some skater you are really wrong, he has not been much of a skater since 99.

Here is a book about it: How Did I Get Here: The Ascent of an Unlikely CEO

 

[Ghost]

Well if Gates eradicates malaria you'd really hope it will be him that's most remembered in 100 years.

 

[Melchiah]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

 

[dude]

I think I'll pick Bill Gates. There's a reason Microsof won the battle, no matter how much Apple fans will claim superiority.
I don't see why people are bringing up philantropical works, or I misuderstood the thread.

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

Ugh... Money does buy you a place in history. Sorry.
And he earned the right to live lavishly, anything be gives to harity is charity - he's not forced to give any away. Even with that "small" precent, he's still giving away more than most group of several people. What kind of bullshit is this? :|

 

[marc^o^]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

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[Wallach]

Why shouldn't he be? Zuckerberg is far from proven yet and Tony Hawk has been building himself up as a powerful business man and brandname for the last 12 years. If you think Tony Hawk is just some skater you are really wrong, he has not been much of a skater since 99.

Here is a book about it: How Did I Get Here: The Ascent of an Unlikely CEO

You seem to be missing the point entirely. I'm saying it's a poll administered to teenagers, which were asked who they looked up to the most. They're all accomplished entrepreneurs, but it's still a question of how these individual people are seen in the minds of those kids. Bill Gates hasn't been a visible figure as a businessman since before these kids were walking; someone like Steve Jobs not only has but is probably living in the most successful period of his life business wise.

My point really is that I don't think it carries a lot of weight in terms of how these men are going to be remembered in history. More of a sign of how they are perceived in a very specific sense in the here and now.

 

[Ghost]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

...because it does? Gates models his philanthropy on the Rockerfellers, heard of them?

 

[anonnumber6]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

http://givingpledge.org/

Gates deserves a lot of credit for his philanthropy

 

[rezuth]

You seem to be missing the point entirely. I'm saying it's a poll administered to teenagers, which were asked who they looked up to the most. They're all accomplished entrepreneurs, but it's still a question of how these individual people are seen in the minds of those kids. Bill Gates hasn't been a visible figure as a businessman since before these kids were walking; someone like Steve Jobs not only has but is probably living in the most successful period of his life business wise.

My point really is that I don't think it carries a lot of weight in terms of how these men are going to be remembered in history. More of a sign of how they are perceived in a very specific sense in the here and now.

Fair enough, I'll accept that its your view now that I don't think you are denying anything Let's meet up in 40 years

http://givingpledge.org/

Gates deserves a lot of credit for his philanthropy

I agree with you but in the end this is not going to push the world forward in the same sense. It's one of the most beautiful things he could have ever done but in the big scheme of things it will not matter all that much IMO.

 

[Melchiah]

Even with that "small" precent, he's still giving away more than most group of several people.

Way to miss the point.

1. A man has everything, and he gives a fortune to someone else, without actually losing anything in the process.
2. A man has nothing, but he gives anything he can to someone else.

Who's a better person?

 

[Ghost]

Way to miss the point.

1. A man has everything, and he gives a fortune to someone else, without actually losing anything in the process.
2. A man has nothing, but he gives anything he can to someone else.

Who's a better person?

What does being a good person have to do with being remembered in 100 years or making a contribution to society (aka the topic)?

 

[Melchiah]

What does being a good person have to do with being remembered in 100 years or making a contribution to society (aka the topic)?

Another one who misses the point. My point was, that what do the donations have to do with topic? He doesn't lose or risk anything in the process, and he doesn't innovate anything by donating either.

 

[Gilby]

Another one who misses the point. My point was, that what do the donations have to do with topic? He doesn't lose or risk anything in the process, and he doesn't innovate anything by donating either.

Well, if even one of those children he saves from polio grows up to be a scientist...

 

[Raydeen]

I think Jobs can owe a big debt of favour to people like Medhi Ali who killed Commodore. Vastly superior Commodore products, dominance of the market to...ZERO in a short few years (although to be fair to Jobs, Apple nearly did the same without him).

 

[Jenga]

Well, if even one of those children he saves from polio grows up to be a scientist...

what if they all turned into albino serial killers

 

[Wallach]

Another one who misses the point. My point was, that what do the donations have to do with topic? He doesn't lose or risk anything in the process, and he doesn't innovate anything by donating either.

Are you implying that philanthropy work only has merit if said philanthropist is hurt somehow by what they're doing...? I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.

I think being a founder of largest transparent charity foundation in history probably counts as an accomplishment in a person's life. Maybe if you think that point is in contention you should ask some of the many people that benefited from his work on that front. I doubt they would see it your way.

 

[Technosteve]

what if they all turned into albino serial killers

or Exotic Dancers..... Gates wins

 

[edgefusion]

The answer is pretty clearly Steve Jobs. Those saying Bill Gates know nothing.

 

[lunarworks]

I think Jobs can owe a big debt of favour to people like Medhi Ali who killed Commodore. Vastly superior Commodore products, dominance of the market to...ZERO in a short few years (although to be fair to Jobs, Apple nearly did the same without him).

Commodore imploded after Jobs was ejected by Apple's board of directors, so I don't know what that has to do with anything.

At that time Jobs was off running NeXT, not mattering much, and not making much money at all. But what he was working on at that time eventually came back as Mac OS X and a refocused vision.

 

[Xun]

Steve Jobs will be more remembered, but they're both great people.

 

[enzo_gt]

Steve Jobs vs JK Rowling vs Jay-Z. Who's the most innovative?

Jay made a song with Gates so, Jay. Gates is the GOAT though.

 

[uncledonnie]

I guess I don't fully understand the OT because I don't see how this is even a question. Jobs is one of my heroes but come on. Most accomplished? Remembered more in a 100 years?

Gates by a mile.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Reading some of the post, people actually believe that Steve Jobs invented the MP3 player, my god such ignorance! is like saying that Bill Gates invented the OS.

Who said that?

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

He's giving away billions. He's like a Carnegie or a Rockefeller. His donations will be felt for a very long time after he is gone.

 

[Tabris]

Business completly changed due to Gates.

You know what we would have if it wasn't for Gates? IBM. IBM would still be the big dog in business and I don't know if you guys remember any thing about those IBM systems, but they were HORRIBLE.

 

[MedIC86]

It's even better to question yourself what happens to Apple when jobs leaves or dies...

what did apple bring out in the years that Jobs didnt work there, that was any real good (or commercial succes)...

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Asinine contest. Apparently, fanboys exist for everything.

Regardless of the whole Microsoft vs. Apple nonsense, Gates will be regarded as the greatest philanthropist in history: that is an impressive legacy.

Yep. Bill Gates is just an awesome human being. His philanthropy puts him above business professionals to me.

 

[Bradlums]

Jobs.

Lol no

 

[rezuth]

It's even better to question yourself what happens to Apple when jobs leaves or dies...

what did apple bring out in the years that Jobs didnt work there, that was any real good (or commercial succes)...

Times are really different now from then, read up on it.

 

[Salmonax]

No question Jobs is the innovator between the two. But I believe that Apple will backslide once Jobs is gone and the bump of incredible innovation he fostered will be paved over and watered down by companies standing on his shoulders. So historically Jobs' most significant and lasting innovation will be the personal computer, which was really created by Wozniak.

The comparisons of Gates to Rockefeller seem pretty apt to me. Few remember how Rockefeller made his money, or could even pick his face out of a lineup, but he is still a household name due in large part to his aggressive philanthropy. And imagine if Rockefeller had convinced nearly 100 other billionaires to give as aggressively as he did, which is precisely what Gates is doing.

 

[lunarworks]

Business completly changed due to Gates.

You know what we would have if it wasn't for Gates? IBM. IBM would still be the big dog in business and I don't know if you guys remember any thing about those IBM systems, but they were HORRIBLE.

Microsoft only bears part of the responsibility for taking IBM down, as they didn't grant IBM an exclusive license to DOS.

Compaq played a bit of a greater role. Compaq was the first manufacturer to successfully make a "IBM Compatible" PC. For years before "Wintel" became the standard platform name, "IBM Compatible" was how it was known. Once Compaq opened the floodgates, tons of other manufacturer raced onto the scene to build "IBM Compatible" PCs, from which IBM didn't get a dime, because they were using a different, but compatible, BIOS. IBM gradually lost the business market to Compaq, HP, Dell, and others, who pumped-out cheaper machines.

Microsoft just happily provided the OS.

Yep. Bill Gates is just an awesome human being. His philanthropy puts him above business professionals to me.

Not to put down his charity, but with warm and friendly charitable Gates around, How quickly everyone has forgotten predatory, ruthless businessman Gates.

"Buy 'em out, boys!"
"I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks!"

 

[generaldane]

Gates no doubt.

 

[Chichikov]

Not to put down his charity, but with warm and friendly charitable Gates around, How quickly everyone has forgotten predatory, ruthless businessman Gates.

I think it's because for most people, in the grand scheme of things, eradicating polio is little bit bigger deal than how you treat other corporations.

 

[VALIS]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

So you obviously know nothing about Gates' and his wife's foundation and what they've accomplished and are trying to accomplish. Gotcha. Amazing how you're trying to make one of the greatest charitable organisations of modern times sound like some dude who finally gave 20 bucks to the Police Athletic League after they were calling him non-stop. Christ.

 

[Princess Carl]

I think it's because for most people, in the grand scheme of things, eradicating polio is little bit bigger deal than how you treat other corporations.

pish posh crazy talk

 

[Melchiah]

Not to put down his charity, but with warm and friendly charitable Gates around, How quickly everyone has forgotten predatory, ruthless businessman Gates.

Charity is an easy (and perhaps the only) way to buy respect and admiration for those not short on money, two things they might not have otherwise. There are no unselfish acts, especially when you know you get something in return. I bet he already has a Nobel in his mind.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Bill Gates.

Their foundation = awesomeness

I have seen it's use in polio eradication in India working with the Rotary International Group. My Dad is a member of the Rotary group.

Charity is an easy (and perhaps the only) way to buy respect and admiration for those not short on money, two things they might not have otherwise. There are no unselfish acts, especially when you know you get something in return. I bet he already has a Nobel in his mind.

Their is a difference between token charity and donating half your fortune, and encouraging others like you to do the same.

 

[Melchiah]

Their is a difference between token charity and donating half your fortune, and encouraging others like you to do the same.

If your fortune was 56 billion dollars, giving half of it away would have absolutely no effect on your life. You could still continue living like a Rockefeller.

 

[kehs]

Charity is an easy (and perhaps the only) way to buy respect and admiration for those not short on money, two things they might not have otherwise. There are no unselfish acts, especially when you know you get something in return. I bet he already has a Nobel in his mind.

Yea, he's doing it for a Nobel.

duh.

 

[Melchiah]

Yea, he's doing it for a Nobel.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

 

[kehs]

Maybe he's also eyeing an Oscar, for his grand performance of pretending to do good.

 

[Angelus Errare]

XBox should belong to Ballmer. Gates was out before the first Xbox was sold.

No he wasn't. Bill Gates left MS completely in 2008. He stepped down from CEO of MS in 2000 but still worked at MS as Chief Software Architect.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

If your fortune was 56 billion dollars, giving half of it away would have absolutely no effect on your life. You could still continue living like a Rockefeller.

I can't even fathom that much money, and you speak on it so simply hah. It's above my head how much he & Buffet are giving away to various causes. Insane to me.

 

[Zombie James]

Bill Gates. I used to really like Jobs back in the NeXT days (not when it started, I was too young, I mean the mid-90s).

 

[water_wendi]

Maybe he's also eyeing and Oscar, for his grand performance of pretending to do good.

lol

 

[Guevara]

Gates' efforts to eradicate malaria alone ensure that his life will have a greater net positive effect than just about any other person living today. One million people die every year from malaria, almost all of them children. And malaria is just a fraction of the good work the foundation already does. The computers and phones, etc just really don't matter by comparison.

What does Jobs even do with his money? He doesn't donate it as far as anyone can tell.

 

[teh_pwn]

I don't understand people picking Gates because of his charity donations. You're basically saying that money buys you a place in the history. Not to mention, that if a man has billions of dollars, few hundred millions here and there don't feel anything. Basically it's the same as a man with few thousand dollars would give few Jacksons for charity. Percentage-wise it's pretty much the same. And what does it matter to Gates, if he gives away his fortune away after he dies, that hardly diminishes his lavish living style.

He doesn't just throw money at his foundation. He works with others to innovate food supply, medicine, and education. Does he personally innovate it all? Of course not, he's a CEO/visionary manager. His talent isn't doing everything himself, but big picture grasping problems and coming up with solutions. Locating talented workers, engineers, scientists, and assigning them to proper roles. Jobs has the same sort of talent. Personally I think he has less (GAF forgets how MS innovates in enterprise markets because they don't know it personally), but it doesn't really matter.

I mean you can read about what's he's doing:
http://www.thegatesnotes.com/
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx

He's involved much more than the level of throwing money.

 

[Vormund]

What does Jobs even do with his money? He doesn't donate it as far as anyone can tell.

Well he cut philanthropy programs when he returned to Apple. Hmm.

Jobs had terminated all of Apple's long-standing corporate philanthropy programs within weeks after returning to Apple in 1997, citing the need to cut costs until profitability rebounded. But the programs have never been restored.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/index4.htm