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CBO Releases AHCA Score: Details Coming In
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't even think that scenario is unrealistic. Under a lot of similar circumstances historically people would simply form unruly mobs and have all of these people put under new inventions that cut your head off in a public square. I mean, the lowest standard of living is probably higher than it was then, so that might be a part of it.
Wet Bloodfart
Banned
Fuck Obama, tax cuts. That's basically the crux of it.
Just tax breaks for the rich. Budget savings on healthcare to give them more breathing room for tax reform. This is being super reductive on the issue, but it's by and large a huge part of it.
Lord Frieza
Member
Montana is tomorrow. Not enough time for this to really influence that election. Whatever happens tomorrow is what happens no matter what at this point.
Y'all, let's not call it dead yet.
The first version of AHCA was just as vile and we thought that was dead too. But that didn't stop Republicans from ramming it through, because Republicans are horrible. Republicans in Congress are horrible people.
Write your congressman, get over how "uncomfortable" talking politics is and annoy the shit out of your friends and family, and attend or fund (or both) your local activist groups.
The first version of AHCA was just as vile and we thought that was dead too. But that didn't stop Republicans from ramming it through, because Republicans are horrible. Republicans in Congress are horrible people.
Write your congressman, get over how "uncomfortable" talking politics is and annoy the shit out of your friends and family, and attend or fund (or both) your local activist groups.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Yes, they are fucking monsters that only care about billionaires making more money, but they created a message of being the "party of religion" so they ride into office on a wave of racism and stupidity.
ShockingAlberto
Member
This is basically how healthcare under this plan works, too.
Hate quoting myself but this got stuck as the last reply
RPGCrazied
Member
How is the Montana polling? Haven't paid attention to that one. I know Ossoff is up by 7 in Georgia, and this was before this score today.
LegendofJoe
Member
The party of fiscal responsibility.
Lord Frieza
Member
Pretty neck and neck, basically tied with 1 point to either guy from week to week for awhile. It could go either way, at least on paper, but the general thought is that the GOP voters will come through I think.
SoundofSilence
Member
Geniuses, every last one.
They put themselves in a corner by spending the last 7 years attacking Obamacare which was already a pretty right-wing healthcare plan. They just cobbled together a bill which would have enough votes to clear the house so they could say they repealed Obamacare and declare victory. I don't think anyone thinks this bill is actually a good idea.
RPGCrazied
Member
Geniuses, every last one.
Context?
Their angle is a bit weird to explain. In a nutshell hardcore conservatives don't believe the government should have anything to do with healthcare. It shouldn't be regulated, and we shouldn't pay out shit. They don't believe it. Now, that philosophy isn't terribly popular, so they don't go out and campaign on that. They go out and campaign that Obamacare sucked and should be repealed. They then blamed what was a blunted premiums rising on Obamacare and people still want better healthcare. They promised they could do better by repealing it.
The problem is that Republicans overpromised. Obamacare basically is the conservative answer to the fact that people were dying without healthcare and being denied due to pre-existing conditions. They took a hard line against it because if they didn't then Obama would be hailed as a savior of healthcare. Now they're stuck between a rock and a hard place because any changes for the better will be much more liberal and any changes for the worse will literally kill people.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The entire "ACA is broken" narrative comes around because there are lots of people who are just happy to have any coverage even if it doesn't actually cover anything so long as the premium is cheaper and the GOP is happy to sell you on the idea that they could broker cheaper premiums.
The number of people who go uninsured under this doesn't even tell the whole story because lots of people will switch to "cheaper" coverage that doesn't actually cover anything.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Don't worry guys.
Trickle will come down to you any day now and you'll have no problem paying for your healthcare.
Again with the over-labeling. There was no need to write "$" on the bottle. The point came across.
Fenderputty
Banned
The glasses at the top needs to be bigger.
Hobbestetrician
Member
It is unconscionable how the poor and sick are treated in the United States. Just pure evil. Everyone who voted for this needs to put up against the wall.
Oh, this current GOP is getting dragged out of office either way. They made their bed, and not even Dems can drop this ball (...I hope).
But now we have to fight for the option that doesn't result in millions of people losing their insurance, and Democrats having to start back over from square one once we retake Congress/White House.
TheOctodad
Member
This blows.
If they pass it though, wouldn't a lot of the affects be able to be blocked before they hit if we can flip the house and get a president that is sane in 2020?
Not a reason not to fight it, just wondering.
If they pass it though, wouldn't a lot of the affects be able to be blocked before they hit if we can flip the house and get a president that is sane in 2020?
Not a reason not to fight it, just wondering.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Apparently 18 million would lose insurance in 2018 alone.
Don't worry guys.
Trickle will come down to you any day now and you'll have no problem paying for your healthcare.
pretty much just need more champagne I guess
Captain Tuttle
Member
The Senate is already working on their own, separate Bill
Beer Monkey
Member
Reducing debt growth a bit by passing a ton of inevitable debt to sick people.
Wowfunhappy
Member
In an attempt to be slightly more fair to the other side's thinking: there's this overall philosophy that policies that benefit the wealthy will stimulate the entire economy and ultimately benefit everyone. That's where the term "trickle down economics" came from. This is also why tax cuts are said to "pay for themselves".
(All of this is BS of course, people have studied it extensively and it basically never works)
They're watching the votes for AHCA come in.
This is your regular reminder that Ivanka is not a secret ally.
RPGCrazied
Member
Mr.Shrugglesã
Banned
And there needs to be alot more glasses at the bottom.
Geniuses, every last one.
Trump is probably wondering why they're clapping and what he's watching.
TetraGenesis
Member
The cruelest irony is they'd continue to vote Republican even if this happened.
I like that .gif version of it where the glasses at the top just keep growing in size the more you pour into them.
Believe that was them watching the vote pass for AHCA a couple weeks ago, right before Bud Light lawn party.
They'll just use larger glasses.
Remember that the first version of the AHCA was such a huge piece of shit that they didn't even vote on it. The house rammed this one through without the CBO report which would have killed it too.
Also MacArthur throwing his caucus under the bus to given Ryan a win, and thus getting booted out.
LOL @ ~61% of your already insignificant income going to worse healthcare.
That's a lot of avocados.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, OK.
Attack the CBO because the CBO didn't predict what colossal assholes the GOP would be about ACA implementation.
It annoys me to no end that reporters never bring that up in the briefings.
This is from May 4th, when the House voted on and passed the American Health Care Act of 2017 (H.R. 1628). Today's CBO report is them finally scoring what the House GOP rushed to pass.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
So this is the hill that Republicans want to die on huh.
More like the Hill they want the rest of us to die on to give rich people a tax cut.
That hill itself is made up of piled up dead Reps. It'll soon be an island chain, not unlike hawaii in 100,000 years. Or perhaps a coral reef.
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