People can be funny, until they aren't. I've enjoyed Chappelle before, and Rogan was the center of attemtion in another thread recently for similarly unfunny resons too.
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Chappelle criticizes Clinton and LGBT activists, defends Trump's sexual assault
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People can be funny, until they aren't. I've enjoyed Chappelle before, and Rogan was the center of attemtion in another thread recently for similarly unfunny resons too.
Rimon-hanit
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While I would like to wait for some context for the majorty of the stuff said, I really wish you guys brings some countrs to either part of the "Racial based oprresion is more sever(urgent/widespread/dangurous) hence it requires a bigger more focused platform/attantion" argument, insted of just being outraged.
So many posters have commented on Dave's Oppression Olympics logic.
I don't think people are surprised. At least the majority of them are not. I'm frankly just surprised by the few people who didn't know Dave is transphobic, sexist, etc. etc.
People are, however, critical. Dave's comedy has a history of this kind of stuff and when he starts to play Oppression Olympics, it's going to get called out even harder for what it is. He's not doing a comedy bit. He's belittling the struggles of other minorities and repeating trite and overused 'jokes' from decades yesteryear about them. It'd be like if a white comic used a 'joke' from the 60s that made an interracial couple the butt of the situation. It's not funny, it's not clever. It's ridiculously insulting, old-fashioned, and shows numerous levels of a lack of self-awareness.
Harry Stewart
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Chapelle has been saying transphobic shit on stage for a while. A few years back he was caught saying something like, "To what point should we support your delusion?" about trans people. Like other people have said in his thread, even if you ignore his despicable opinions, he's way past his prime and I wouldn't see him live these days just based on the quality of his comedy.
He's basically telling other minorities and oppressed groups to shut up, because their problems aren't important, when compared to the problems that personally effect him. They've heard enough of that over the years, they don't need it from Chapelle too.
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I don't get why this part was highlighted. This is not a controversial point
old manatee
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I didn't get that either.
I'm trying, but I simply can't imagine a way where that stuff about racism vs sexual discrimination couldn't be considered extremely stupid. Really disappointed.
Though I also can't see how criticizing media portrayal on Trump outright means he is defending him as a person or what he says (not stating he's right here). Trump says enough shit by himself, there is no need to twist it to be even more negative. By doing so though you give Trump supporters another reason to hate 'biased media', you play into their hands. Still far from a good way to portray this argument if this is even what he meant. Letting him do what he want because he's famous is not necessarily 'consent' man..
Though I also can't see how criticizing media portrayal on Trump outright means he is defending him as a person or what he says (not stating he's right here). Trump says enough shit by himself, there is no need to twist it to be even more negative. By doing so though you give Trump supporters another reason to hate 'biased media', you play into their hands. Still far from a good way to portray this argument if this is even what he meant. Letting him do what he want because he's famous is not necessarily 'consent' man..
entremet
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He's relevant and a lot of comedy is around contemporary topics.
Adam_Vania
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does anyone have actual audio from this event? it would be interesting to hear his comments in original context rather than clickbaity articles.
wouldn't be the first time social media condemned someone at the drop of a hat.
wouldn't be the first time social media condemned someone at the drop of a hat.
The Artisan
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isn't Dave Chappelle a Muslim?
that makes it like the 2nd or 3rd Muslim celebrity who spoke positively about Trump
that makes it like the 2nd or 3rd Muslim celebrity who spoke positively about Trump
Why do people keep on saying "it's all about the context", why does he have to say shit like this in the first place?
old manatee
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I doubt he's devout at all since it seems like he drinks
Adam_Vania
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yeah you guys are right, context doesn't matter. we don't need to know what he said before he said "They should not be having that conversation" we should just assume "That conversation" is referring to is the worst possible thing and judge him based on that. ffs.
"what does context have to do with it", do you guys know what critical thinking is?
"what does context have to do with it", do you guys know what critical thinking is?
This is pretty much my take on the topic at this point.
There is literally video of him in the past saying highly transphobic shit. And in what "context" is his belittling of other minorities struggles anything but abhorrent? He's literally arguing for oppression olympics and saying other minorities don't matter. Not to mention he's used constant trite decades old 'jokes' about trans-individuals tricking others/making us out to be sexual deviants. Not to mention his comments about not wanting to participate in "our delusion". The guy has a history. I don't give a shit about the "context" here. There's no context in which this looks like anything but what it is.
jakonovski
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Whenever they say check your privilege I feel they should really say check your assumptions.
The Artisan
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devout or not he's a Muslim. what indication is there that he drinks?
Red Liquorice
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Comics are like bread and milk - when they get old, they they get stale and sour.
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What I mean is depending on how devout he is changes how much of his identity is based on his religion. someone who is devout would probably be more pissed off by trump's comments compared to someone who isn't devout.
I just googled dave chapelle alcohol and dave chapelle drinking and found these
http://gawker.com/detroit-audience-pretty-mad-over-allegedly-drunk-dave-c-1700314729
http://pagesix.com/2016/09/06/tequila-no-laughing-matter-for-dave-chappelle/
Mammoth Jones
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I can't judge until I actually hear the joke in full context. Especially these days where sensitive folks can't take political humor if it dares goes against "my team!"
GamePnoy74
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I've seen my share of live stand-up this year (Chappelle in LA, Louis CK twice, Ali Wong, Laugh Factory Las Vegas), and with their kind of comedy you have to listen to their whole dialogue and delivery to really get what's being said. Pick-and-choosing choice quotes will always be taken out of context.
One thing I can say about Dave's recent stand-up: when I saw him do his show in LA he had a bit about social justice warriors...what he criticizes about them is that they keep having hyperbolic knee-jerk reactions to everything. He emphasizes for them to simply 'pace yourself.' Take a step back and think about it. Pick your battles. It was a common theme in his show back in March.
That said, for now I can give Dave the benefit of the doubt and take The Observer's original report with a grain of salt.
One thing I can say about Dave's recent stand-up: when I saw him do his show in LA he had a bit about social justice warriors...what he criticizes about them is that they keep having hyperbolic knee-jerk reactions to everything. He emphasizes for them to simply 'pace yourself.' Take a step back and think about it. Pick your battles. It was a common theme in his show back in March.
That said, for now I can give Dave the benefit of the doubt and take The Observer's original report with a grain of salt.
I can't even with posts like these anymore. Seriously, read the topic. The dude has a history of negativity surrounding the LGBT community.
Particularly with trans-individuals.
Well actually in this context (which everyone seems to love that word when they want to ignore bad news) it isn't even that. The political Trump stuff was really the only thing there that could be handwaived off as a joke. The transphobic, anti-LGBT and oppression olympics stuff doesn't necessarily mean shit in that context. There have actually been threads on GAF showing feminist groups being against the transgender community. Saying "I'm liberal!" is not some shield.
Conservatives and racist have been doing it for years for now and it seems to work for them so hey, there you go.
Adam_Vania
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i just can't believe the guy who's big catchphrase is "I'm Rick James, bitch!" and joking about R Kelly peeing on people would say something offensive
Mammoth Jones
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"But they do it too!" isn't a valid argument to me.
How old is 15, really? Man is obviously a pedophile!!
You're speaking of terfs and they're fairly right-wing, to my knowledge.
However, you are certainly right about "I'm liberal" not being a shield. Have seen some Democrats, and even others in the LGBT spectrum, go after the trans community and then act all innocent when confronted on the matter. It's why I don't like Democrats too much but am forced to go with them.
IsntChrisL
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It seems like GAF is only on board when Dave makes jokes about race. Because from what I'm reading here it doesn't sound like he's changed all that much. Stop wanting celebrities to mirror your thoughts and opinions. You'll die happier.
No I totally get it, if the hate speech doesn't effect you its not worth your time.
Harry Stewart
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There are levels of devout. Many Muslims I know are ambivalent on drinking and do it regularly. Their excuse is that Mohammed drank (apparently). They won't eat pork and really hate gay and trans people though. I doubt Dave will ever confirm it one way or the other, but it's not impossible his transphobia is linked to his religion.
The fact he's ignoring the topic and Dave's history on the matter is enough for me.
Guy can post whatever he wants but he's certainly not being too genuine if he refuses to see what people are discussing.
Democrats continue to disappoint me.
EmpressInYellow
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If your point here is that people don't like when he says hateful, bigoted shit, then...yes? I'm not sure that's really much of an observation.
Being a comedian isn't a free pass that forever exempts anything you say from criticism.
And to be clear, this isn't just about him "not agreeing". This is about him dehumanizing and demeaning people who actually post on this board. To be honest, I'm surprised he even knows the word "transphobia" given his track record.
EDIT: Though his bit about Trump and consent is...not great, either.
This is why "mere difference of opinion" as a defense for him disgusts me. He's insulted my humanity and the humanity of every other minority who struggles for even basic human rights. It's ridiculous. Especially when one considers he has a history of this in his "comedy". It's not like we're painting this picture of him out of nowhere.
Plus he uses trite decades old "jokes" that are neither clever nor funny on top of that. If we even try to humor the approach of "he's just a comedian", he isn't contributing anything new to that brand of "comedy" either. He's just being vile.
Are you part of the LGBT community?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Look at the people on coins now, and remember some had slaves. Remember what they did to their slaves.
Aside from the election stuff, everything else,even if it was incorrect,can be replaced with almost identical statements he's been recorded saying in the past
jakonovski
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This is exactly why I can't understand this outrage. It's like people have been wilfully ignorant for a whole decade and now they're angry they can't keep up the charade. Like come on.
To address this edit of yours, I find it very ironic that you ask this when there's been plenty of discussion on Dave's history with this matter.
I can't understand why you would think this
Frozenprince
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It's not hard to understand why people are a little upset that a man with a history of ignorance at best against the LGBT community making a joke like this ain't kosher.
It's possible to understand that he was joking, that the trump bit was a joke, that this was an attempt at a joke, and still not be okay with hit because of his history on the subject.
Like if Eminem was recorded going on a homophobic rant in the booth to test it as a verse, that wouldn't surprise anybody would it?
It's possible to understand that he was joking, that the trump bit was a joke, that this was an attempt at a joke, and still not be okay with hit because of his history on the subject.
Like if Eminem was recorded going on a homophobic rant in the booth to test it as a verse, that wouldn't surprise anybody would it?
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