What do you think I am focusing on when I say, "Doesn't look like a rescue"?
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CHP Officer Rescues Woman Passed Out In Moving Car.
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Nappuccino
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If they get in the way, they'll definitely be yelled at. But I'm sure they see enough stringers that they ignore them unless a) the cop is knowingly doing something they don't want filmed or b) the stringer is negatively impacting the cop's performance of their job.
In this case, the stringer seemed helpful and immediately got the cop up to speed. Given the situation, the cop didn't really have time to crowd-control the stringer if he did want him gone and he seemed to be helpful to the others once they showed up as well. No reason to ask him to leave.
Arrogant Bastard
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Did they potentially save her life and the lives of others?
AtomicSymphonic
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Good to see this was a disaster prevented... 
Nappuccino
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Yeah . . . she was in just about the most dangerous position to be in a highway. Sideways (so traffic couldn't see the headlights) or driving into oncoming traffic are the only situations I can think of that are more dangerous in ways that don't involve antagonistic fellow-drivers.
I'd say this was a rescue in the same way that if she drove her car into a lake and they pulled her out is a rescue. Even though she ended up in jail, she was inarguable saved from the dangerous position that she was in. She could easily be dead right now. That's a rescue.
No. You could say any arrest or a stop and frisk is a rescue by that logic.
Arrogant Bastard
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Lul, ok. Pedantic logic wins, they didn't safe her life or the lives of others by pulling her off the highway. You win.
Sorry if I look at that as a rescue. I'm so so sorry.
My favorite part was when the officer checked to see if the passenger side door was locked AFTER bashing the window in. It was, so it didn't matter in the end, but I couldn't help but see that and go, "Really, dude?"
I also don't understand how you pass out behind the wheel at a full stop ON THE HIGHWAY.
I also don't understand how you pass out behind the wheel at a full stop ON THE HIGHWAY.
Apology accepted. There is no winning and nothing pedantic here, by the way.
Driving drunk is hazardous not just to bystanders but also to the driver, so by the definition of rescue, yes.
Nappuccino
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I bet it was more how conditioned he is/was to opening doors. When my dad recently had a heart attack, my mom ran to the phone in the kitchen instead of using her cell (which was on her) or the phone in the living room (which was 3 feet away). She went to the first phone they ever installed in the house because that was where her instinct told her a phone was.
His belated attempt at the handle looks dumb in retrospect, but I would not be surprised if it went "I broke the window, now i can open the door via the handle . . . oh duh."
All arrests and incarceration is on the idea that the person is a danger to others. I don't see it as a rescue, though.
No doubt. The cop handled it well. The car starting to roll away was probably an "oh shit" moment that caused him to spring into action and react on instinct. But being a dude on the internet I'm inclined to pick out the most arbitrary point in the video
Sorry about your dad btw, hope all is well.
This is so 100% not true.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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How reckless of her.
I agree. Maybe 99.9% true, though.
Not even close. People get locked up for harmless drug use and being poor/unable to pay fines ALL THE TIME.
Not particularly true. I also don't see how it's relevant...
Why not?
Someone removed someone else from an activity where they could easily have gotten hurt. Unless you disagree with this for some reason that needs explaining, or use a different definition of rescue than everyone else, it seems like it can be described as a rescue.
Well please provide statistics on the grounds prison sentences are handed out. I include a danger to society as a danger to others.
The theory behind those incarceration is still a danger to society.
If I stop you from jaywalking, swimming in the ocean, smoking a cigarette, I removed you from an activity where you could easily have gotten hurt. I rescued you?
Nappuccino
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No doubt. The cop handled it well. The car starting to roll away was probably an "oh shit" moment that caused him to spring into action and react on instinct. But being a dude on the internet I'm inclined to pick out the most arbitrary point in the video
Sorry about your dad btw, hope all is well.
This is so 100% not true.
Haha, it's all good. I'm just tired and having trouble seeing through silly arbitrary and real arbitrary tonight
Thanks! He's doing well (I probably should have mentioned it in my post . . . ah well)
I'm not sure being passed out in the middle of a highway can be considered an "activity."
HTupolev was the one that originally used the term, take it up with HTupolev.
Nappuccino
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Maybe, but you're changing the focus from events like this to other things. He just followed you along the way. Where you're leading the discussion doesn't really fit the description of this rescue. She was in danger and endangering others. They removed her from that situation, which is a textbook rescue. She was (allegedly) breaking the law, so she was arrested. That doesn't negate the fact that she was rescued.
Arrogant Bastard
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What is your hang up?
It's like you are trying to be argumentative for no reason at all.
Police officers remove a driver who is passed out in the middle of the highway. They didn't rescue her or anyone else, really?
Honestly, WTF?
I mean, I agree that degree of danger is a factor in usage of the word "rescue."
The lady was stopped on a semi-busy highway, and was conked out such that she just sort of drifted about when she came to.
Doesn't that strike you as an incredibly large immediate danger?
That is just showing increasing imprisonment rates. The theory remains the same, even if flawed.
Analogies are about similar situations. Those other situations also involve potentially endangering oneself and others and being removed from the situation. I still don't consider it a rescue.
I already said I didn't see it as a rescue. Didn't you later agree and apologize? I'm sorry I'm confused about why you're reversing your stance again.
I was simply explaining why I don't agree with your definition of rescue. Do you disagree that your definition (removing someone from a potentially dangerous activity) would include a lot of actions that many normally would not consider a rescue?
Nappuccino
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Analogies work if the situations are comparable. The ones you're listing are not unless you're being very reductive about your analysis, which you are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Violent_and_nonviolent_crime
Far, FAR less than your proposed 99.9%.
But I'm sure you'll just use the nebulous claim that they were still "a danger to society" to justify this.
If we're not taking the context of my description into account (i.e. applying the same "degree of danger" consideration to it that you're obviously applying to the word "rescue"), yes. But that seems extremely pedantic.
I only reduced it to the terms of his reasoning, which you already had you took issue with (his use of the term "activity"). His definition was already very reductive and I just followed the reasoning he laid out. Maybe you have an issue with HTupolev's argument, so you should take it up with him.
Nappuccino
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While his terms may not be strong, his point is still obvious and one I don't disagree with.
Arrogant Bastard
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Sarcasm for 1000, Alex.
Bornstellar
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Uhhh
Arrogant Bastard
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Just curious, EMS pulls up. They drag her out, she is then arrested. Is it a rescue now?
Or is this a if you are arrested it cannot be a rescue thing?
Or is this a if you are arrested it cannot be a rescue thing?
So I don't understand why you take issue with my arguments that are simply an extension of his definition.
I'm not applying a "degree of danger" consideration to the word "rescue."
You shouldn't be using violent vs non-violent statistics here. A DUI is also a non-violent crime. So you're saying an arrest for a non-violent crime is not an arrest for somebody putting herself and others in danger.
I don't even know how a story like this can cause a thread of such odd responses.
Trolling or not - saying "arrest her ass" is not in any way sexist or talking about sex organs. As a woman on Neogaf, I nearly go insane with people trying to point out non-offensive actions/topics as offensive, as if women need to be told what should have us outraged. I know Mac trolls... but in general I see this far too often.
Also, handcuffs? Yes. It's called being arrested. That woman passed out ON THE FREEWAY. She was in danger and was endangering other people. The police did rescue her and then they arrested her for breaking the law. She could have been killed or could have killed someone else. If an innocent family didn't see her car and crashed into the back of it (killing all/some of the members), we would be on here discussing how she should be locked up for life, etc. And being innocent before being proven guilty? Yes, in a court of law, that is how it works. This woman is on video, passed out with booze in her car ON THE FREEWAY. I think posters on a forum can state their opinions on her guilt and the punishment she deserves.
Trolling or not - saying "arrest her ass" is not in any way sexist or talking about sex organs. As a woman on Neogaf, I nearly go insane with people trying to point out non-offensive actions/topics as offensive, as if women need to be told what should have us outraged. I know Mac trolls... but in general I see this far too often.
Also, handcuffs? Yes. It's called being arrested. That woman passed out ON THE FREEWAY. She was in danger and was endangering other people. The police did rescue her and then they arrested her for breaking the law. She could have been killed or could have killed someone else. If an innocent family didn't see her car and crashed into the back of it (killing all/some of the members), we would be on here discussing how she should be locked up for life, etc. And being innocent before being proven guilty? Yes, in a court of law, that is how it works. This woman is on video, passed out with booze in her car ON THE FREEWAY. I think posters on a forum can state their opinions on her guilt and the punishment she deserves.
Then would you mind explaining in detail how you're using the word "rescue" and why this doesn't apply? Because I'm hardly the only person here who's struggling to understand how your form of the English language works.
It can be defined in the eyes of the person being rescued. If she is trying to get away I don't see how it is a rescue.
just when i thought the thread couldn't get any dumber
You're not entirely wrong and if you check the source PDF it breaks it down even further, but probably not with the granularity that either of us desire (for example it lumps drunk driving and carrying weapons without a permit into the same category as contempt of court and public indecency).
Regardless, the whole point of this was to point out how exaggerated your original claim that 99.9% of inmates are "dangerous" and I think I've done a good job of that even if we don't have a definitive percentile to hang our hats on.
Nappuccino
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Because I'm able to separate some poorly used/defined terms from the actual argument. This was a rescue regardless of where that women ends up in the hands of the law.
Arrogant Bastard
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Sure it can, but that is a damned silly way to understand if it is a rescue or not.
Ding ding.
I don't see how it is exaggerated? I think it would have enough granularity, because I am not focused on the crime committed, but the theories of incarceration, whether it is rehabilitation, punishment or protecting society, it is focused on putting people in jail for an act that society finds to be a danger (which is why they codified it as a crime).
Oh my
So you're restricting "rescue" to situations where the person being brought to safety perceives the action as something they wanted? I guess that's fair, although it's certainly not exhaustive of general usage.
(Really, even if we go by that definition, it's not obvious to me that your premises work out. Where in the video is she trying to get away? The car's motion was very slight, the sort of thing that happens when you slip off the brake pedal, not when you drift on the gas. And she generally seemed more confused than uncooperative. Struck me as a case of "tired drunk", not "belligerent drunk.")
Where did I talk about where the women ends up in the hands of the law?
I don't see how silly it is. I think the idea of a rescue should take the thoughts of the person being rescued into account.
Shall you post in the next police car chase thread about how the police are attempting to rescue the guy?
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