Are you moving the goalpoast? I never said indie games shouldn't exist. I'm saying that studios need to be sustainable regardless of size and relying solely on MS/Epic to pay bills instead of having a costumer base is not sustainable.
And yet Gamepass couldn't justify its existence.
Innovative indie titles existed long before gamepass was a thing. In fact, I remember Braid doing rather well on Xbox without needing to rely on gamepass. I’m not having that, sorry.
you're missing the point. Demand from gamers should allow more indie developers to flourish. This is not about funding,people are conflating funding a new studio with with keeping zombie studios alive.
I'm not saying the subscription services from sugar daddy corporations is the answer, however to be fair some smaller studios make great games that go mostly unnoticed due to the current saturated landscape, and they suffer financially because of it. The comparison of Last Epoch to Diablo IV is a great example of this; Last Epoch is just better at everything, yet goes under the radar to most people who would enjoy it more than the popular Blizzard title.
A zombie company is a company that is not profitable and only exist because they get money from somewhere else.
Again, Braid is a cool story but GP is about the bigger picture. It changes the game for indies. It takes the financial pressure off, letting them get wild with their ideas. Thatgamecompany's Journey, for example, is a megahit that almost sunk them because it was different. But with GP, these risky games become possible, not suicide missions.
Have you seen Microsoft's first party games?
Do you believe that gamers have had a 100% success rate identifying and supporting quality indie games and that there haven’t ever been talented developers that had to close shop because their game got buried in a mountain of shovelware and wasn’t noticed? I have my doubts…
This is true and i'm sure some Gamepass games do fit this description. Here is the thing though,when push comes to shove,these games will survive because they are good and people will buy it. The other games in the platform that are preying on MS starvation for content will fail as soon as the money dry up.
I'm not a GamePass fan (or a fan of any game subscription service), but i agree with this point. When you have a subscription to a big library of games, there is no risk, as a player, to experiment with new games and genres.
Aah, so it is like Disco Elysium in that sense ?
I haven't played Disco Elysium just yet, but this is really it's own thing. I actually started it on a whim and hated it the 1st hour. I wasn't sure what to think of it and it felt obtuse and uninviting. But very quickly after getting used to it I realized how great it is. Very dark sci-fi visual novel with lots of choice elements and great OST. What sets it apart is the board game system which is extremely elegantly designed. You get certain dice each day that determine your abilities, your choices, your resources. I felt real anxiety about the limited resources available for a while and it was perfectly by design since you're on a space station in a cyberpunk dystopian future. I'd just say keep an open mind and give it a shot if you like visual novel style games.
Oh come on, i said in another comment, i'm not a gamepass fan, but if it funds development of niche experimental games, then it is a good thing to have around.
Then we go back to the way things were, where indie devs found it hard to fund their efforts, but that's not a good state for the industry to be in.
Sounds amazing. I will absolutely give it a shot. My Steam Deck will arrive soon. This is one of the first few games i will install on it. Already have it in my Steam library, just never got around to playing it now.
NeoGAF is the only place in the internet where consumers hate paying less for games.
adamsapple
didn't you get the memo? Subscription services aren't doing too hot lately. So much shilling over something so tiny.No Industry can get free money very long. I would love free money, it doesn't mean i deserve it.
No kidding. Bad enough we got big devs like Ninja Theory making shovelware games these days.
Microsoft can't subsidize the entire indie gaming development industry forever, especially if it isn't translating to profits and growth. Especially while they also need to fund $200M games from their own studios.
"We're a business. I've said over and over. I don't get any luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business inside of Microsoft. And we are that today," Xbox gaming CEO Phil Spencer said in a recent interview with Polygon.
It's not; just it's console sales from their console business.
It literally kills gaming.
You are not paying less. U are renting and only make sense if u spend a lot of time playing to make worth the money. For a regular adult with few hours per week for a hobby it doesn't make sense.
How do you feel about stuff like Rise of the Ronin, FFXVI, FFVII, and Stella Blade getting socialistic funding from Sony? Should they not try and survive purely on the strength of their own bootstraps? In some cases they even get free labor from XDEV which is basically communism.
I can't tell what's serious these days,
