It's probably more like saying that A topping, like anchovies or whatever, does the pizza a disservice. Problem is he's saying to throw all the toppings off in favor of a new set of them, when the anchovies alone can be avoided on the next pizza.
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CliffyB on Saints Row: Lose the gimps and dildos to beat GTA
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lazybones18
Banned
lol
but was it focus of the game in marketing? I don't really remember right now.
with Saints Row 3 though it was different, I never tried the game even because their message around the product pre release was ridiculous, disgusting even just like the recent Dead Island torso stuff, just not interested and not looking back now even though it might be best game ever, I imagine it puts off quite a few people like Cliff says. I see that that might actually appeal to someone else, no one thing fits all I guess.
SpoonyBard
Banned
I agree with this guy, whoever he is. My wifes brother played the game when bunch of other people watched, and it was just embarrassing. Just jumping through the windshield when stealing cars was also pretty stupid...
If you didn't laugh when Pierce kept tapping the player on the shoulder with it during the cutscene in Kinzie's lair, you're dead inside. If that's 'maturity', you can keep it.
Then don't buy the game and vote with your wallet. Not every game is going to be compatible with you.
someguyinahat
Member
Methinks the man doth protest too much.
U n i o n 0015
Member
No, no, not at all.
Saints Row is fun because it's irreverent. GTA has gotten too serious.
Saints Row is fun because it's irreverent. GTA has gotten too serious.
Alex Connolly
Member
The dildo physics are, reassuringly, a benchmark in gaming. Once you wind up a penetrator...it's like your first time at a shooting range. HmmmhhMMMMM.
shinobi602
Member
Fully agree with Cliffy on this one.
Saint's Row 1 had just enough craziness and over the topness to make it stand out.
Adding giant dildos and other high school level shit just made it seem like they're trying too hard to be funny.
Saint's Row 1 had just enough craziness and over the topness to make it stand out.
Adding giant dildos and other high school level shit just made it seem like they're trying too hard to be funny.
He played a key role in almost all of Epic's games, such as Unreal and Gears of War.
Seriously, c'mon.
Fighting GTA head on, when R* has put 5 years and 100+ millions of that single idea? Yeah that'll work!
DeaconKnowledge
Member
You're in the minority. Most people loved SR3 because of its stupid humor and moronic story. If you're embarrassed to be a gamer because of one game then I suggest you leave all media alone because every medium has some offerings that pander to our immature sides that sell like gangbusters.
Acheteedo
Member
He's completely obsessed with dildos, I think he's secretly a dildo.
Clay Davis
Member
why would be be embarrassed? maybe I'm wrong, but there aren't many, if any missions where you're forced to use a dildo. it's an optional weapon and an awesome one at that.
bengraven
Member
This is one of the reasons, incidentally, that I didn't get far in Saint's Row.
The comedy is really really juvenile and I know that's the point - to make shit "funny and awesome" instead of serious, but maybe if the writing and design was STRONGER...then maybe we'd have a really great game on our hands.
Bottom line: it feels like a poorly scripted GTA parody. If they can move beyond the parody and stop trying to compete with GTA...they might actually be able to compete with GTA.
The comedy is really really juvenile and I know that's the point - to make shit "funny and awesome" instead of serious, but maybe if the writing and design was STRONGER...then maybe we'd have a really great game on our hands.
Bottom line: it feels like a poorly scripted GTA parody. If they can move beyond the parody and stop trying to compete with GTA...they might actually be able to compete with GTA.
what an unapt comparison ...
Mihos
Gold Member
I actually agree with him. But then again my house is always crawling with kids, in-laws, and neighbors and it has actually been called 'that game with the dildo' more than once. From people outside looking in, they pretty much think that is what all games are about at this point.
Of course, Bayonetta probably got the most face palms.
Of course, Bayonetta probably got the most face palms.
Riposte
Member
This instinct is embarrassing in itself.
It IS probable (or so I hope) that it was less "lol dildos" and more clever writing at times and some of the absolutely absurd sequences, like the wrestling match. Even if maybe it wasn't consciously recognized due to the dildos being a more prominent symbol here.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I wish there was a dildo in every game.
That would have added so much to ICO.
That would have added so much to ICO.
Oh, come off it. I thought the dildos were amazing fun. Smacking down hordes of baddies with a big rubbery one was just too good.
Look, the Saints Row team isn't going to beat GTA by being GTA. They have to be their own thing. And I like what they're doing.
Also, worried about "industry perceptions"? Hate to break it to you, Cliff, but that ship sailed a long time ago.
Edit: Forgot to say that The Third was my first Saints Row game--and it was one of the freshest and most enjoyable games I've played in years.
Look, the Saints Row team isn't going to beat GTA by being GTA. They have to be their own thing. And I like what they're doing.
Also, worried about "industry perceptions"? Hate to break it to you, Cliff, but that ship sailed a long time ago.
Edit: Forgot to say that The Third was my first Saints Row game--and it was one of the freshest and most enjoyable games I've played in years.
So what constitutes a genuine grievance oh great one? When and how should one express an opinion that contains real sincerity in your mind?
You totally get it! Good job!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Saints Row: The Third is already better then GTA.
bengraven
Member
So if you become mature and gain a bit of pride, you shouldn't play games? haha
No. The whole point of Saints Row is that it's pretty immature. Removing something because it's immature is against the point of the game.
The Housers have all the DVD box sets and they're not afraid to use them.
Clay Davis
Member
sucks for you. the gameplay is some of the best in a sandbox title only rivalled by just cause 2.
Reducing the entirety of the writing, story and over-the-top nature of Saints Row The Third to "dildos ew how immature" sounds like it's coming from people who never actually played Saints Row The Third. It's not Volition's fault you're choosing to focus on dildos. You're doing it. You're the one focusing on the dildos. Saints Row really doesn't.
I think Star Ocean 4 could make 12 year olds decide they're too old to play video games (maybe, we ARE still young enough to not realize how embarrassingly bad that can be). Point is that sometimes these games really do cross a line, though I'm guessing a good chunk you'd want to be careful about the company around while you play anyway.
Can be THQ's though!
What the fuck? Now i begin to understand how we got GTA4.
Haven't you read how Dan Houser doesn't watch anything because he's afraid of copycatting stuff? Must be all coincidences.
My wife's so immature, she leaves the room in tears whenever she sees a dildo in saints row.
I don't have a wife.
pieatorium
Member
You're not going to beat GTA, it's much better to carve out your own piece of the pie than be the poor mans GTA.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
To be fair the dildo in SR3 is pretty much used as a "dildos lol" joke.