CambriaRising
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It's you, especially as this whole thread seems to be GAF telling Cliffy B to blow THEM. So uh.......... yeah. No.
The whole thread? Every post?
It's you, especially as this whole thread seems to be GAF telling Cliffy B to blow THEM. So uh.......... yeah. No.
is it me, or is the 'blow me' comment a bannable offense?
Right on the money.
Let's sacrifice our artistic vision--for what? To be more PC and get more sales? L O L
There's a difference between thinking it would be nice to have something and having it as one of your goals, though. I'm sure that every developer would love to be able to swim in the huge vats of money they'd have access to if they made a game as successful as GTA, but I don't think that means that every developer wakes up in the morning and says "I will beat the Housers today" to themselves in the mirror.
"We don't compete with GTA. We're differentiating even further with GTA with this one," Bilson said. "The new Saint's Row will be less urban - it's definitely not about 'gangsta' anymore at all. And it's more fun and almost sillier and wackier and weirder than the other one."
Banned phrases are banned because of inherent bigotry of some sort. For other things, it is not about the content of the phrase itself, but how it was used. If someone addresses you with a well thought out argument and you don't like how it makes you look wrong so you just say "blow me" and nothing more, that is a thoughtless, conversation-killing post where the other person was willing and that could catch you some heat.is it me, or is the 'blow me' comment a bannable offense?
That's his idea tho. Again constructive criticism that by the looks of it most of the people didn't want to hear.
If gamers/industry can't take constructive criticism and comments then there is a serious problem with the medium.
"Hey guys, you know that game you made? It's embarrassing people's wives and that's why it didn't sell as well as this other game in practically the most popular video game series of all time aside from Call of Duty and Madden. I have an idea, why don't you change literally everything about it for your next game?"That's his idea tho. Again constructive criticism that by the looks of it most of the people didn't want to hear.
If gamers/industry can't take constructive criticism and comments then there is a serious problem with the medium.
Now that I think about it, there is possibly an argument to be made that the direction SR3 went in IS more legitimately mature than if they stuck with gangsta. Then again all I really played of the original was the demo so I don't know how pervasive that was, and SR2 was clearly showing they wanted to just make something ridiculous and absurd.
That's good. The silly nature made it way more fun to me than other games that try to take themselves to seriously. The over-the-top action sequences in SR3 were better than other games because other games seemed to be trying to legitimately come off "badass" by way of being so absurdly extreme while SR3 came off like it was just having fun with itself. It felt like the difference between watching a professional stage performance with crazy choreography and doing some crazy dancing with a partner yourself. One is just trying to be impressive, but the other is using the medium to try and get me to have fun interacting with it. It's so much more interesting that way.
Constructive criticism would've been: Yo Volition, you guys are great and everything, but I think you'd be even better if you tried your hand at a more dramatic, crime thriller-esque game. Not saying completely change Saints Row, but maybe a new IP showing the other side of the crime coin.
Instead what we got is: Yo Volition, wacky is fun and everything, but nah. Michael Mann dat Saints Row joint up.
See the difference? Saints Row is Saints Row. Changing an established IP into something it's not has become a huge issue this generation. Of course people will react negatively to the idea.
I will agree that maybe the deliver was a little more harsh, but there is nothing wrong with possibly taking a different hook with the series. Even if it does fall down in line with being a "GTA clone". I just find it weird how a lot of people are taking this personal almost."Hey guys, you know that game you made? It's embarrassing people's wives and that's why it didn't sell as well as this other game in practically the most popular video game series of all time aside from Call of Duty and Madden. I have an idea, why don't you change literally everything about it for your next game?"
It may be criticism but it's not very constructive.
There are certain franchises you can't beat and GTA is one of them.
Hum, that's not really true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4s2-zRAT4
The laugh track help a lot. The laugh track make us laugh, and we get out of it happy. And since we are happy, we go back to it.
Remove the laugh track and you wont laugh. At least not as much. Its a nice ploy they use to make people like the show more and make it look more funny.
I think Laugh tracks are one of the most irritating things you can have.
Even when an audience is live (like in Lucky Louie) i still don't like it, though they do help you instinctively "smile" at otherwise mediocre jokes, i guess.. kind of the jump scares of comedy.
Also I don't know why the hate for BBT is so fervent, i watched a bunch of episodes and while i thought it was a shit show (some of the jokes were literally just fucking name dropping of random nerd things, followed by laugh tracks) i still think it's better than that one other show with Jim Belushi in it (they are on the same channel here, that's why i'm comparing them).
I guess it's about nerd culture, so that's why it gets a lot of attention.
I know right... I was like wait, what? Johnny died? Where was I when that happened?
He'll obviously be back, but they should've made a bigger deal about it.
Could Saints Row even beat GTA if it listened to Cliff?
Could Saints Row even beat GTA if it listened to Cliff?
Depends what you mean by beat. Can it become a bigger cultural phenomenon and get bigger sales? Probably not. But can it be way more fun, but still take itself more seriously? Definitely.
But we already have an open-world crime game for that... it's called Sleeping Dogs
That's not true at all. I've been banned for making a comeback to a jerk. The jerk got permed.Banned phrases are banned because of inherent bigotry of some sort. For other things, it is not about the content of the phrase itself, but how it was used. If someone addresses you with a well thought out argument and you don't like how it makes you look wrong so you just say "blow me" and nothing more, that is a thoughtless, conversation-killing post where the other person was willing and that could catch you some heat.
When there is a 50-man dogpile on you and a great amount of the posts are bannable themselves, and you put in that kind of phrase within a post that is more largely simply explaining where you are coming from, that's not the kind of thing that is generally worried about. Although, as has been pointed out, it does make your charges against others for being immature rather ineffective.
If you are still getting a feel for gaf, the concept behind moderation here is not so much censorship as to maintain reasonable and respectful conversation. If you have been massively disrespected, there will be more grace concerning what is reasonable and respectful from you toward those people. That contextual leeway does not extend to every instance outside of that context, and what you are doing with your words and phrases is usually far more important than the particular ones you chose.
It's not hard to use your brain. Do that and you will be safe. Also, it's best not to worry about the fate of others in moderation terms. It's not your job so there is little point in bringing it up unless you were just curious about typical procedure, which is why I answered in this way.
What a joke. Let's make another self-serious "gritty" game that tries too hard to be accepted as meaningful, hypocritically revelling in its hyperviolence in the name of "maturity". Because THAT's the way to set yourself apart.
At least I can actually aim my gun and drive my car in SR3 without wanting to tear my hair out.
Could Saints Row even beat GTA if it listened to Cliff?
Why are you putting gritty in quotation marks? Gears of War pulls off gritty in a beautiful way, especially in Gears 1 and 2, and Raam's Shadow too (I felt the campaign in #3 lost some of that grittiness when they included so many tropical locales). I'm speaking of graphics, art style, and level design - though even the story itself is gritty, even if you couldn't quite call it mature. I wonder what would happen if a normal GAFFER, just a regular joe, made these comments in the form of a new thread. Would people be attacking that GAFFER's inability to create a good game, in their eyes, just as much? Aaaand the answer is no. I don't know why I feel so compelled to stay in this thread, since I'm someone who has never played the Saint's Row series (although I will get into them one day!). But I think I would enjoy it more if people didn't sneak in these personal attacks on Cliffy, his video games, and his skill or lack thereof as a designer. It is totally acceptable to sling a little bit of vitriol towards Cliffy because you disagree specifically with his opinion of Saint's Row, but I think it is really unfair how he is being ganged on because so many of you who disagree with his comments happen to dislike Gears as well.
Never. Volition has proved over 3 games that they can't come close to the things that made the PS2 GTAs the monsters they were. Both from a gameplay point of view and a cinematic/story point of view.
I gotta imagine that the people at Volition Software are probably going to sleep wondering, "Am I going to still have a job in 2 weeks?" and not "How can we beat Grand Theft Auto?"
Kudos to CliffyB for kicking them when they're probably at their lowest point in years.
imho SR2 is better than all of the GTAs.
I gotta imagine that the people at Volition Software are probably going to sleep wondering, "Am I going to still have a job in 2 weeks?" and not "How can we beat Grand Theft Auto?"
Kudos to CliffyB for kicking them when they're probably at their lowest point in years.
There's an old saying which goes something like "never forget that when you point the finger at someone you point three back at yourself." I've already said repeatedly that I think the personal shit is well out of line, and I'll add that comments about his wife are particularly shitty. I wouldn't have even made a single comment about Gears if Cliff hadn't spoken up about what he thinks of Saints Row and it weren't totally relevant to the discussion, for reasons I've explained in detail.
Rather than pointing out that some people are being jerks, which is not very constructive because I think most people already realise that, perhaps you might try to move the discussion out from the gutter.
I partly agree with you, but I already admitted that I've never played Saint's Row 3, so there's not much I can do to contribute regarding the Saint's Row 3 dialogue. But in my defense my post wasn't exclusively pointing the finger - I was also defending the Gears series as well.