DarkLordMalik
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Just curious. Was his source someone from inside SE? Or just some third party who had info about the development.
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Comparison between FF Versus XIII staff and FF XV staff [Kotaku was right!!!]
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I'm going to guess fuck no.
Ixion
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Exactly my thoughts.
Nojima hasn't been perfect, but he did write two of the most beloved Final Fantasy stories (VII and X). I'm not sure who else at Square-Enix is capable of writing a good story. Matsuno is gone as well.
Does FFXIV have good writing?
Muffdraul
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Oh god, I remember thinking exactly that about FFXIII... ;_;
robotzombie
Member
final fantasy was a mistake, its nothing but trash
Sola Scriptura
Member
So are we pretty much in full agreement now that Versus XIII was an unmitigated disaster?
Muffdraul
Member
I'd say we've known that for many years. But then there was hope that Tabata had pulled it back from the brink and turned it into something great. But now... *shrug*
DarkLordMalik
Member
If this happens, then it would be quite an achievement because it is not easy to meet the trash writing of Watanabe.
My question is, why do people celebrate like Nomura and the people who previously worked on the game were the ones responsible for the state it was in, and not SE's constant mismanagement? The game wasn't even in development for a majority of the time we didn't hear about it as the staff kept being diverted to other projects from the higher ups.
I don't think there are a lot of people who think like that. S-E's management clusterfuck is well known, and it's common knowledge that FFXIV 1.0 almost destroys the company.
It's been said that Nomura was kicked out of Versus, but I wonder if he left on his own accord. He is known for tackling on all the projects he sees, but who knows.
His role's different this time around. For XIII he only came up with the concepts like falcie/lcie/cocoon & pulse, etc. while Toriyama and Watanabe wrote the rest. For Versus XIII/XV he wrote a full story draft
TheJollyCorner
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this meme is starting to feel like old, crusty underwear.
I was just telling myself the same thing! Kotaku better be sipping on some fine wine as they watch the entire gaming community eat the stalest of crows, my sides
At this point...it's whatever, honestly. It's been a ridiculously long, conflicted development cycle. A lot of these people left the project probably because they needed to justify getting a paycheck, to find an avenue for productivity, or simply because no one works on a single thing for that long. The "dream team" is an illusion now, anyway. All the people who made those amazing games spent an entire generation so far removed from those heights. There's no guarantee that working within SE's current corporate environment, within the industry as it is today, and with modern technology, that they would strike gold again.
Versus XIII has never been more than an idea, whereas FFXV is something that's actually happening. I'm interested in seeing what SE's newer faces are capable of. "God, these trailers were so emotional" and "man, this game person x made in 1998 was wonderful" aren't the greatest justifications for holding onto the past.
Versus XIII has never been more than an idea, whereas FFXV is something that's actually happening. I'm interested in seeing what SE's newer faces are capable of. "God, these trailers were so emotional" and "man, this game person x made in 1998 was wonderful" aren't the greatest justifications for holding onto the past.
Karsticles
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I honestly forgot that Versus and XV were different games.
I'm just saying he was a lot more involved in the writing of Versus's story than he was with XIII. There's no real way to know how much of that will be changed now aside from the stuff we know now about Stella
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
LOL SQUARE ENIX
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Nah. Just Jason Schreier The man does work.
Muffdraul
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There's no way to know the details, but the downgrade to "concept" credit says everything. If a lot of his old script was still in place he'd have a proper story co-writer credit.
And I never got the memo as to exactly what the history was of his FFXIII contributions. I was under the impression he was the story writer in the beginning, but that Watanabe took over at some point. I wanna see the receipts.
In 1.0 it did, the version that apparently no one played (I did). The story was very well written and was written by Yaeko Sato.
Then 2.0 happened and it improved everything...except the story which kinda fell on the writing department. They changed writers it was written by Kazutoyo Maehiro. But I think it improved towards the end after patch 2.55 and the transition into Heavensward mostly because Heavensward is original and didn't had to be based on what 1.0 had.
Nah, Brian Ashcraft deserves 100% of the credit for this one.
DarkLordMalik
Member
A lot of what is in dumpster?
Have you been even following the game after the new TGS reveal?
Gentleman Jack
Member
Not a difficult prediction to make given recent revelations.
Muffdraul
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Nojima's original story that he wrote who-freaking-knows how many years ago.
Psycho_Mantis
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Rest in peace sweet prince ;_____;
Sho_Nuff82
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So now that people realize that large publishers are totally willing to lie about the cancellation of AAA projects in order to massage their stock prices, can we get a little realism injected into the status of a few other games on the alleged horizon?
NoctisVsStar
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Rare footage of Kotaku being right * S-Kill Voice.
pixelation
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TLG is alive i tell you!!! :O
encephalon
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The best aspect of xiii was the foundation for its scenario. Versus was always intriguing not because it was "dark," but because nojima would also be in control of how it played out. Now we'll never know.
What a disaster last generation was for square.
What a disaster last generation was for square.
It's kinda funny looking at the original thread about the Kotaku article now. 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483255&highlight=
This is why people should stop giving Tabata a hard time for getting rid of characters that are not his. FFXV is a new game, his game. I can't imagine how stressful his position is. Hell, he had to hide the fact that he had replaced Nomura for months.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483255&highlight=
This is why people should stop giving Tabata a hard time for getting rid of characters that are not his. FFXV is a new game, his game. I can't imagine how stressful his position is. Hell, he had to hide the fact that he had replaced Nomura for months.
For me the characters in that game were unappealing to the point where I couldn't play the game. Waste of a couple of bucks on Steam that was.
Hitokiri03
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Is easy to point fingers now, but at time was easier to believe in Kagari (which was not even quoted by the mod) than Ashcraft, Kotaku credibility was pretty shitty at time.
And lets not forget how Wada responded
Gentleman Jack
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It's never hard to point and laugh at kneejerk reactions devoid of critical thinking. It was a choice of who to believe but 2012 is still six years after the original announcement and the ominous signs in support of the rumor were outlined by Nirolak in that thread. Not sure why you think it's only in hindsight in 2015 that people were giving no benefit of the doubt to Square Enix in 2012, a company that had just released Final Fantasy XIII-2.
YankeeDonB
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My exact comment in the other thread! Except, the ship of Theseus suggests that identity is a social construct as opposed to a primary property. So, by those lights, the game IS still the same, even though nearly every plank has been replaced
On the other other hand, perhaps this would be more like if the ship's planks were replaced one by one in such a way that, eventually, the ship was not a ship but a giant wooden car.
My exact comment in the other thread! Except, the ship of Theseus suggests that identity is a social construct as opposed to a primary property. So, by those lights, the game IS still the same, even though nearly every plank has been replaced
On the other other hand, perhaps this would be more like if the ship's planks were replaced one by one in such a way that, eventually, the ship was not a ship but a giant wooden car.
More like, 80% of the planks have been replaced, those planks remaining have all been reinforced by new material, and now the ship might actually not sink when it sets sail.
Lol.
Astral Dog
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I guess this is the positive way of looking at things.
CaviarMeths
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Change for the better, IMO. I find that Nomura and Nojima have been closely associated with what's been going wrong with Final Fantasy since the PS1 days, writing and design. Unpopular opinion I suppose, but I hold them in about the same regard as I hold Toriyama. The less they're involved with a main series entry, the better.