Treefingers
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No they wouldn't and yes it would.
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Cult of Mac: Our Sources Say Apple Is Developing A Video Game Console
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ClosingADoor
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Why is Microsoft or Sony declared a fool if they would, but Apple can suddenly do it? There is a huge difference between buying a $5 game in the App Store and getting a $60 game for your console.
More Fun To Compute
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1. Valve disagree with Apple's strategy of a walled garden software environment.
2. Valve willing to work on hardware development to guarantee software environment they want with controller innovations suited the sort of games they want to make.
3. Apple long rumoured to be working on Apple TV with gaming content using party game friendly kinect style gizmo and Apple store like environment.
4. ???
5. Ideal hardware partner for Valve is Apple.
Whatever.
2. Valve willing to work on hardware development to guarantee software environment they want with controller innovations suited the sort of games they want to make.
3. Apple long rumoured to be working on Apple TV with gaming content using party game friendly kinect style gizmo and Apple store like environment.
4. ???
5. Ideal hardware partner for Valve is Apple.
Whatever.
I don't see this coming to fruition, apple's design philosophy is so drastically different from video game systems it wouldn't be a good match. Not to mention apple has no developers they would have to rely entirely on third parties and i don't have the faith that it wouldnt just be another app store race to the bottom.
Treefingers
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I don't know why they're declared fools. I wouldn't declare them fools though.
You're right though, there is a difference. Without physical media there would have to be a change in terms of the types of games being sold. I don't see why that would hurt them though.
Tarin02543
Member
consoles are still uncool in the eyes of the masses so Apple will not commit.
Google/Sony yes, Google/Nintendo no. Nintendo always worked better alone while Sony won't say no to the money backing of a giant like Google.
Right because smartphones were MONSTROUSLY cool before iPhone.
I see this (potentially) going the same way as iPhone, in fact. Phone debuts, 'tech experts' complain that 'it doesn't do anything my horrible looking completely unintuitive Windows Phone doesn't already do, megaflop incoming Apple have no idea what they're doing', but then instead it explodes and virtually singlehandedly creates a market that didn't exist before because the market the existing smartphones were fighting over was never where the (really) big bucks were to be made.
Like I say, it's a possibility though, not a prediction.
So that is why there are no Valve games for Xbox360 and PS3... Oh, wait...
Come on son! Disliking something is not going to stop them from supporting it if they see money in it.
UberTag
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Apple brings the cool with them. Tablets weren't exactly cool when the iPad was introduced. Now the device is a phenomenon.
The console having Apple as its maker instantly makes it cool.
fluffydelusions
Member
I won't deny the iPad has some nice tech but when you compare it to other tablets e.g. Android ones you have to also consider that iPad doesn't have things such as SD card slot, HDMI out etc. Both those are important to a lot of people.
freenudemacusers
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iow, things people (obviously if we look at sales) do not care about in a tablet. and for $30 you get HDMI out.
Apple mania says otherwise. If it has the logo, it's worth spending any amount of money on (according to the fanbase)
More Fun To Compute
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1. I want to make money.
2. I will release games also on consoles since people insist on playing games on them.
logical series of events.
1. I want to support open platforms with competing stores.
2. In order to do that I'm prepared to get involved at some level with hardware since that is the trend if you want to have a say.
3. The people who are best at that are people make the most trendy closed platform so it makes the most sense to work with them as a junior partner.
illogical series of events.
Sure, because I have an Apple TV and Mac Pro and the cinema display and all that jazz.
You can buy dongles to connect accessories for SD readers or HDMI cables if you need it. For an Android tablet, you cannot buy a dongle to add a Hi-DPI screen or a better GPU. Both those are important to a lot of people. Especially gamers.
fluffydelusions
Member
To pay for an adapter that could easily be included? I can't wait to see accessory prices for an Apple console...
MrCunningham
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Hmm... if the rumors of Tim Cook at Valve are true, then that's the plan. They already have a strong reputation with casual gaming crowds with iOS. So in order to build a reputation with hard core gamers, they strike a partnership with Valve. Who better than Valve to advise them on that market?
fluffydelusions
Member
Tegra 3 is no slouch...
freenudemacusers
Member
nobody seems to mind. for obvious reasons.
-Pyromaniac-
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This sounds like it will just be PC like architecture inside of a TV that will allow them to play games off of steam or something. Or their App store.
But it's not as good as the Vita or new iPad's GPU. And it can't be upgraded by an accessory, unlike your issues with SD readers and HDMI.
Yes, but this time everyone will defend it
I think there is a difference between convincing valve to develop/port games for ios and developing hardware that stands toe to toe with the PS4, etc.
fluffydelusions
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I mind and I own an iPad. They could easily put HDMI out in there but don't so they can milk you for an adapter.
fluffydelusions
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According to a number of sources Tegra 3 beats it...
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/new-ipad-3-a5x-vs-tegra-3-video-19-03-2012/
freenudemacusers
Member
yet, the positives of the machine clearly outweigh this complaint. And complaining about accessory prices in a gaming forum is weird tbh.
Personally I much prefer airplay.
But I thought Gabe new nothing.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/10/12/gabe-newell-apple-will-redefine-games-conso/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/10/12/gabe-newell-apple-will-redefine-games-conso/1
fluffydelusions
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Yeah, I won't argue there because MS and Sony do the same for 360/PS3 accessories...
It does strike me as odd given the strength of the third party ipod/iphone/ipad accessory market.
Do you mean put a port there or included the accessory? If its the former then I can't agree.
Haha yeah, didn't even notice that. Just shows how much of a liar Mr Jobs really was. I wish people wouldn't get always fooled by gentleman such as him and that the media would also have the balls to stand up these type of people and call them on their bullshit.
I hope this doesn't happen for two reasons:
- Apple's "walled garden" philosophy of vertically integrated products is diametrically opposed to what I consider a healthy environement for gaming (or anything really). You think Microsoft (and now Sony) are milking you on accessories? You ain't seen nothing yet.
- Apple fanatics are the singularly most annoying group of people I've had the displeasure to interact with on the internet. Obviously there are exceptions, but that's the general experience I've had. That this rumour comes from a site called "Cult of Mac" seems entirely appropriate.
- Apple's "walled garden" philosophy of vertically integrated products is diametrically opposed to what I consider a healthy environement for gaming (or anything really). You think Microsoft (and now Sony) are milking you on accessories? You ain't seen nothing yet.
- Apple fanatics are the singularly most annoying group of people I've had the displeasure to interact with on the internet. Obviously there are exceptions, but that's the general experience I've had. That this rumour comes from a site called "Cult of Mac" seems entirely appropriate.
Criminal Upper
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Innovation that only Apple can provide. :/
This is what doesn't make sense about this rumor to me. Gabe said himself just a few months ago that he thinks the closed platform Apple runs isn't healthy for the industry. He named them specifically.
Maybe do some research before calling someone a liar?
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/21622.php
IDG is the go to source on sales of devices such as mobile phones.
Yeah, cos Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are famous for their reasonable accessory prices.
I would have thought there were already games on the Google Play Market for the Google TV.
Harry_Tequila
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Let me tell you what is going to happen.
The television itself will be designed by Apple to allow for everything to be done without having to have lots of other boxes connected and sitting underneath. Tv programmes, films and music will be available in a similar way to the Apple TV device, albeit improved.
With regards to gaming, they will allow access to the app store via the tv, with existing applications able to run as is. This will form the the part of the gaming experience handled directly by Apple, nothing more. You will, of course, need to purchase an iPhone, iPod touch or iPad and link it up to be able the play the games as the primary tv interface will be using Siri.
Where valve will be involved is in the form of a 'premium' games provider, accessible as an application like any other. They will allow people to play more traditional games via steam but allowing it will be the extent of Apples involvement. They will also allow valve to link up a more traditional controller to play these games, but this will be designed and sold by valve, not apple.
The television itself will be designed by Apple to allow for everything to be done without having to have lots of other boxes connected and sitting underneath. Tv programmes, films and music will be available in a similar way to the Apple TV device, albeit improved.
With regards to gaming, they will allow access to the app store via the tv, with existing applications able to run as is. This will form the the part of the gaming experience handled directly by Apple, nothing more. You will, of course, need to purchase an iPhone, iPod touch or iPad and link it up to be able the play the games as the primary tv interface will be using Siri.
Where valve will be involved is in the form of a 'premium' games provider, accessible as an application like any other. They will allow people to play more traditional games via steam but allowing it will be the extent of Apples involvement. They will also allow valve to link up a more traditional controller to play these games, but this will be designed and sold by valve, not apple.
He also said that the PS3 was a disgrace and that Valve would never touch it again after The Orange Box debacle.
He also said that Apple weren't doing shit for gaming and his products wouldn't ever end up on the Mac.
Etc.
Etc.
EternalGamer
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Well dudebros might get angry
A quick google shows the numbers to be accurate. Edit: beaten by Cheebo on last page.