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Dark Souls 3 announced (Early 2016, PC/PS4/XB1, Miyazaki Directing)
- Thread starter Lord British
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Souls threads havent been fun since the tail end of Dark Souls 1.
I can´t unsee it now.
Frozenprince
Banned
Just make a Berserk game already.
I'm already gonna play Forces on a loop when playing this. Just give me a real one.
I'm already gonna play Forces on a loop when playing this. Just give me a real one.
Iva Demilcol
Member
Nice
Yes, they accepted the development had some issues in an interview included in the Dark Souls II Design Works book, the interview has been translated already yet people decided to ignore it and just keep praising Miyazaki.
Citizen_Insane
Member
ThumpsUpBro is the hero we deserve.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is not like DLC is not without problems and has a few of the design quirks that made DkS2 an inferior experience, extra areas like frigid outskirts and another few rooms here and there.
wild wild rice
Member
Pretty much this. It coincided with the rise of the praise the sun meme and became completely unbearable sometime after the PC version released. The crowd that came along unfortunately was the crowd that DS2 catered to.
I'm not really confident about DS3. I predict it will be even more transparent in targeting this market, e.g., the dialogue of the crones telling you how much you're going to die in the beginning of DS2.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Dark Souls 2's issues go well beyond anything we can attribute directly to the troubled development cycle.
Nothing like DS2's.
Iva Demilcol
Member
It's not like Miyazaki games don't have flaws too.
The level design of the DLC is actually pretty similar to Demon's Souls'.
Moon_frogger
Member
but those series could never be multiplatform and I still want to play them so....good.
Lost Izalith was also made under the watchful eye of Miyazaki. That has the worst level design of any of the Souls games
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'd agree that some areas in DkS feels halfbaked or incomplete, instead zones like frigid outkirts were clearly designed that way.
But I'm talking about some design quirks that comes with how DkS2 team tackled the design of the areas, there's still overrealiance on throwing you several enemies at you, for example. Less than in the main game, but still there in several rooms.
None touch 4-2 and 1-1 in Demon and much less Forbidden woods, which is the best level in a souls game since these 2.
Frigid outkirts, would like to have a word with you. At least half of Lost Izalith can be skipped with the right covenant.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
No it isn't. New Londo connects to both Firelink and Valley of Drakes. Lost Izalith has a shortcut back to Demon Ruins that is right next to a shortcut back to Quelaag's Domain. The only end-game dead ends are Tomb of the Giants and Duke's Archives.
It's the worst level in the game, but it's not actually much worse than a lot of areas in Dark Souls 2.
Absolutely not. The only one of the DLC levels that's actually Miyazaki tier is Sunken King.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Imru al-Qays;168099174 said:
And even Sunken King has that infamous section in that you have to brute force your way to find a way to kill invencible enemies.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Yeah. The level design itself is great, but the enemy placement still has all of the B-team hallmarks.
Iva Demilcol
Member
Imru al-Qays;168095894 said:
That's actually not true, Tanimura took the lead of the project in the middle of DSII's development cycle, he openly admitted he had to get rid of some things (I assume the lighting engine was one of them) and tried everything they could to salvage some things (like some of the areas: one of the results of those decision was the infamous elevator to the Iron keep, though). I'd say the problems with hitboxes are also the result of that troubled development too.
Every game of the series has its own issues that don't make them perfect games at all.
laughingmood
Banned
I sai it before in another thread but I think Xbox users as a whole tend not to clap in life bc they are scared of turning their xboxs on/off.
They aren't invincible, I killed them with my weapon.
All 3 DLC's are great, some of the best bosses in the series, too.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Plus the Crystal Caverns with that lazy as fuck invisible floor bullshit.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
They aren't invencible, right, just almost invencible in their ghost form. They are inmune to physical damage, so depending of your build you're fucked.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Troubled development had nothing to do with the floaty movement, artificially long animations, strange durability system, adaptability stat, overreliance on gank squads, repetitive bosses, nor with all the intangible stuff that B-team did so much worse than Miyazaki (atmosphere, plot coherence, secrets).
People talk about Lost Izalith and Crystal Caverns as though they constituted the same proportion of Dark Souls's runtime as all the shitty areas in Dark Souls 2. I can't even list all of the areas in DS2 that are obnoxious or uninteresting.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Or you immediately understand that you need to destroy the vessels and there you go, problem solved.
WTF am I reading
the thing that makes them invulnerable are broken with one hit or an arrow - and most of them are sequestered in one room, so a single jaunt through it takes care of that for good. I loved that part of the DLC, you were plundering a fucking pyramid.
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Nobody playing the game for the first time, or even repeats without extensive use of a guide, is going to do the Covenant necessary to skip the shitty zone.
Meanwhile, Frigid Outskirts is literally the last, optional area in the last DLC for the game. It's meant to be a giant challenge that few will be able to overcome. It's not blocking any meaningful content, and is there solely for people to use all of the skill, gear, and soul levels they earned in the past 100+ hours of playing.
Considering the DLC's tend to punish magic players more than physical, I'd say it's fair.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Why do people feel that the only way to skip Lost Izalith is to open the shortcut? The level is short and you can run past all the enemies.
That elides the distinction between Dark Souls having a shitty area or two and Dark Souls 2 being like half shitty areas.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Imru’ al-Qays;168103642 said:
Nowhere near as long as DS2's shit areas, but they're still shit. Invisible floors in particular is one of the laziest design gimmicks out there, Crystal caverns may be short but it's a lesson on how not to design a level. I think the general point is pretty much everyone of these games have a shitty area or two.
Imru’ al-Qays;168104874 said:
On your first time through, it is hard to figure out where to go and what to do and what to grab. Doubly so if you suffered through the zone pre-nerf(s).
People often forget how different the Souls games are on their first play-through compared to repeat runs.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Yeah, that shit was egregious. Would've been tolerable if it wasn't for the giant elk that steamroll you in the middle of the blizzard.
Dark Souls threads are unfortunately shitholes filled with cognitive dissonance and psychotic hero worship. This shit has gotten so bad that ideas in DarkSouls 2 that are directly lifted from the previous two games are decried as terrible decisions that the great Miyazaki-San would never allow in his games...
Relaxed Muscle
Member
They aren't that easy to find (face several ghost before even finding them, if you take the right path) and not that easy to destroy when u have 5 angry ghost behind you.
Basically you have to run all over the place until you find something that help you kill them, while an army of ghost dudes follow u everywhere. The very definition of souls traditional finely designed gameplay....
Edit: Oh well, this is the last one... hope we get more details tomorrow about 3.
CountAntonius
Member
Thank you...so much.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Thank you. <3
Iron Passage is OK solo. In Frigid Outskirts you can at least summon two NPCs, which makes it much easier.
Then the level would have been boring as shit.
Iva Demilcol
Member
Imru’ al-Qays;168103642 said:
I actually think that at least those are part of a troubled development.
Edit: Yes, let's leave it at that. This is a thread about Dark Souls III, not about the flaws of DS nor DSII's
unity of the void
Member
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Take your time, Lord Miyazaki. Make it siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.
Patentedly false as Invasions actually took place there.
Patentedly false as Invasions actually took place there.
JudgmentJay
Member
Nightmare Frontier is awesome though.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Those hunched up hooded figures with the shells on their back and the walking sticks kind of remind of Merchant Hag Melentia from DS2 in terms of design.
