EatinOlives
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This is objectively false. 60 FPS simply does make controls smoother than 30 FPS in every game. There's not much else to say other than that.
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Dark Souls internal rendering resolution fix (DSfix)
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This is objectively false. 60 FPS simply does make controls smoother than 30 FPS in every game. There's not much else to say other than that.
No. But I can't justify continuing to spend 40 hours a week on it like I did during the last few weeks, so updates will slow down a bit (unless someone else starts contributing).
GFWL has anti-cheat protection that continuously scans the address space of the executable and checks for modifications. The 60 FPS mod performs such modifications, so the only way to get it working is by explicitly disabling ("hacking" if you will) GFWL's anti-cheat protection. I'm really hesistant to include that in DSfix, because I'm 100% certain that even if I add a huge warning in 300 pt font, should someone ever get banned for it they will blame me.
I'd say that's true only if the controller pooling is dependant on the screen refresh rate.
For instance, doesn't one of the Forzas renders ar 30 fps, pools the controller at 60 fps and calculates physics at 120 fps (in wrong terms)?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Is it not theoretically possible for a game to render graphics at 60fps but only poll the controller at 30fps? This is a serious question I have no idea what I'm talking about mostly.
edit: beaten, and maybe I do know what i'm talking about
Though that is true, you'll still get the feedback to your controls every 1/30th of a second instead of every 1/60th of a second, even if it does poll twice as often. In practice, the controls would be as responsive as a 60fps game, but the perception won't be the same.
edit: are controllers really polled? Not sure how they work, technically.
Possible...but I doubt many games do that. That being said, Dark Souls could indeed work that way, since it sets its display rate in a very unorthodox fashion.
Oh... My... :O
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I just used a word I heard once in a similar discussion. No idea if it's the right one.
In any case, I think a person could be forgiven for not noticing the difference in Dark Souls which is a very deliberately paced game. The console version didn't exactly feel snappy and it was totally playable once they fixed the missed-input bug.
Alcoholikaust
Member
that 60fps video has me already wanting to replay the game now- beat it yesterday-dlc included!
Polling was just the word I used (and I wrote it as pool even!). Let's go with input detection.
If the screen rendering is linked to the input detection, as it was suggested in this discussion (since 60 fps automatically makes the controller responsiveness better), wouldn't that mean that when your FPS drops to 15 (the other available refresh rate possible in the graphical engine), your controller responsiveness would also be worse?
Think along the lines of the animation engine: Speeding up the game to 60 fps, normally, makes everything run twice as fast. Maybe, in that case, your controllers also get twice as "responsive". But since this patch somehow stops the animation from going twice as fast, maybe it prevents the "input detection" to be twice as fast also?
This discussion is going nowhere. What I really want to say is: Better FPS doesn't necessarily mean better controls - specially in a heavily animation prioritized game like this.
Backfoggen
Banned
GTA 4 modders used these anti-protection files forever and no one ever got banned.
prodystopian
Member
New game +!
I beat the game twice on PS3, but all the fixes and videos are making me want to restart on PC.
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
God damn since when GAF is so unhelpful?
Lol, I remember you were always asking questions and never getting answers.
God damn since when GAF is so unhelpful?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2937696&page=4
Also..it disables a few of DSfix stuff..one easy example is skipintrocutscene stuff..I have to watch the intro.
I get 60 FPS loading and shitty performance. 30 in game..use a spell 10..where as before it was always 30 except bonfires. Bonfires EVEN worse now. Quick specs below. So either I am having that -only guy to be having problem so its my PC wise- or -its not worth it yet-
i7 3770k
GTX670
chris100185
Neo Member
Don't a lot of the GTA mods disable GFWL altogether?
Pyrrhus
Member
I understand and I'm sorry if the question sounded ungrateful. You have certainly done more than enough to justify calling it a day as it is, but I'm glad to hear you're going to continue your fine work in some capacity.
woah, with your specs your performance should be much better. I have to test it.
Phonomezer
Banned
I can't decide if I like looking at Dark Souls at 60fps or not...!
woah, with your specs your performance should be much better. I have to test it.
Let me know (via PM please) how'd it goes.
People keep saying a smooth 30fps, are you able to just brute force the game so it won't drop to 15 during certain bosses abilities? I assumed it was just a flaw not being fixable. I wonder what the cutoff point is hardware wise if so. Playing with just the internal at 1080p, all other extras in the mod turned off and it drops to 15 during certain bosses, mostly tied to abilities. Darkroot Basin and Depths bosses were pretty bad about it.
I think more important is what are the settings you're running?
What res are you rendering at, SSAO, SMAA, DoF res, all that jive.
If you post it we might be able to help.
I had drops to 15FPS sometimes and now to 30FPS even though my 660TI was only running with 320mhz...there is definitly some weird stuff going on in the engine.
zephervack
Member
Why are you using Flawless Widescreen? It breaks the minified HUD....
Well no one wonder you get framedrops then. That resolution is way to high. Go back to just 1080p. Plays better anway imo.
So I tried the fix with 1080p, SMAA 4 and SSAO activated. I'm getting two kind of framedrops. Down to 30, often with no appearant reason. The same scene can run at 30 or 60, my GPU definitly isn't running at full force. It's a bit weird. Reducing SMAA etc doesn't seem like it helps a lot. F.e. that monster which shoots water in the garden basin, every time it shoots frames go down to 30. It's a bit jarring with all these huge jumps in frames. Game is much better with 60FPS but I'm thinking about just sticking with 30.
So my native is 1920x1200..set internal to 1920x1080? Also I use flawless widescreen.
This is what I said before. Downsampled games always feel laggy to me.
So leave it at 1920x1200 which is my native?
I'd do that, with good FSAA options available I don't see a need for downsampling anyway. I'd rather give a native signal to my monitor/tv with maxed out settings.
Yea I guess it comes down to:
60FPS (For me less input - I am actually parrying way more often)
or downsample from 2x2
I guess I could try 1.5..
2880x1800...see how that goes.
I just tried the next highest resolution for my aspect and I get 60FPS. 4 AM and I need to sleep. Was going to test the difference between my native 1200 to that 2560x1600 resolution to see which one is more steady. I'd wish it would stay 50-60...this is for either but when it dips down to 30 really noticeable.
Played around a bit offline with 60fps, and to be blunt, right now it isn't worth it... Framerates in many areas are way too unstable to be any real use for serious gameplay sadly. I'm running it on:
2600k 4.4GHz (new OC)
GTX 690 SLI (using one card)
So I'm not exactly running a weak CPU, and I get frames all over the place, 60-42, 60-35, 60-27, Blighttown for me is a constant 40-28. So I'd rather just keep it smooth at 30 for now. For anyone wishing for a stable 60 on mid-high range machines, our best bet is From releases that patch or unicorns start sprouting from the ground. Whichever happens first...
2600k 4.4GHz (new OC)
GTX 690 SLI (using one card)
So I'm not exactly running a weak CPU, and I get frames all over the place, 60-42, 60-35, 60-27, Blighttown for me is a constant 40-28. So I'd rather just keep it smooth at 30 for now. For anyone wishing for a stable 60 on mid-high range machines, our best bet is From releases that patch or unicorns start sprouting from the ground. Whichever happens first...
Yeah, that's my main problem. If it was a constant 60fps I'd consider it. As it stands, it's far too erratic. Too many sacrifices need to be made for an erratic 60fps.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Well just think - when you come back to this amazing game next time you make a major upgrade (or well if you come back in like 10 years)... 60FPS is waiting for you.
Yep, not to mention one my favorite features of DSFix (skipintro) doesn't work. At least not yet. But hopefully some major advancements can be made here, but I'm not holding my breath unless From decides to patch it, and if so hopefully through Steam.
The problem isn't missing horsepower, it's the game.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Yeah, I am well aware. But unless your going to optimize this game yourself (without source!) then yeah your going to need more horsepower (specifically future CPUs) because I doubt From Software is ever going to touch this version of the game ever again.
Motionflow is shit. It's easy to tell because you have seen the same thing at 24fps and at 60fps it looks weird as shit because it was not made for it.
This however looks just like any other game at 60fps.
Yes, this is literally what I said needed to happen in order to go online earlier.
GFWL is shit anyways. No one should be using it. I wish there was a way to get some sort of dedicated server up instead of gfwl. The PS3 uses a system like that for DS and Demon Souls, right?
I still don't think that'll help. I get framerate drops albeit my horsepower is barely used.