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David Bateson and Jesper Kyd dumped from Hitman : Absolution [Bateson Responds]
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ZombieFred
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HK-47 said:
Definitely agree here but the big difference between the two is how the "sandbox" works in the two games, where Splinter Cell is more objective and linear in comparison to Hitman's robust levels IO created. They're still stellar games to acknowledge for what they do.
Ahoi-Brause
Banned
Apparently blood money was too expensive and pirated too much, that's why they're shitting all over the fans who actually bought the game and instead make a more expensive game that doesn't appeal to them anymore.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Ahoi-Brause
Banned
I can actually see the target audience they're going for pirating it more than the original hitman audience.HK-47 said:
Because I bought all the hitman games, and so did my friends. That's what you do when you're a fan.
Well... have fun with your new target audience IO.
regarding Hitman sales, this is what they said when Square-Enix bought Eidos
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/square-enix-exposes-sales-results
4m for the other 3.
it was certainly not doing so well. Kane & Lynch probably did better than Blood Money because it got a sequel first.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/square-enix-exposes-sales-results
4m for the other 3.
it was certainly not doing so well. Kane & Lynch probably did better than Blood Money because it got a sequel first.
Ahoi-Brause
Banned
That and keep nagging them on twitter.Soda said:
They gotta get the memo somewhen eventually. Loyal hitman fans won't buy a dumbed down 5hitman and loyal CoD fans are too busy playing CoD.
indigo-cyclops
Member
that's fucking stupid. comes down to money once again. I've lost all hope at this point. for a while the only people interested in the series were the hardcore fans. did that ever change? the ushering in of a new generation on the Dev team seems to be the worst thing possible. this is my personal hell. thief better nnot get boned
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Never a fan of Hitman games, but that was a raw deal to two greats.
Haha, that's brilliant.
Ahoi-Brause said:
No absolution thread complete without this.
Haha, that's brilliant.
Ahoi-Brause said:
You really think they don't know exactly what they are doing already? And do you really think that the few hundred or thousand hardcore fans are going to be a priority over the millions of mainstream guys who don't know the series at all before, read a random Game Informer preview or hear from their friends about this game and then buy it?
Ahoi-Brause
Banned
Because not listening to the fans worked so great for conviction?Munin said:
I was very excited about the SE merger, I thought they were handling DE0 correctly, and CD were saying the right things about Tomb Raider, but now I'm hearing DE0 is shit, Tomb Raider has a moronic detective mode, I'm getting concerned. If they fuck up Thief they're dead to me.
Red Blaster
Member
szaromir said:
All modern stealth games let you go non-lethal. You can only viciously murder people in Assassin's Creed.
You know, I was willing to handle the gameplay changes if they kept Jesper's atmospheric score and David Bateson's fantastic role as 47...
I have no hopes for the game. This isn't Hitman outside of the character model.
Seriously, how can you shaft Bateson? 47 was modeled after him for fucks sake.
I have no hopes for the game. This isn't Hitman outside of the character model.
Seriously, how can you shaft Bateson? 47 was modeled after him for fucks sake.
sixteen-bit
Member
That's a shame, Jesper Kyd is pretty good
I'd love to see Nintendo try to do this with Mario.
"Yeah, Kojii Kondo and Charles Martinet are out. We're going to have a generic rock sound track created by in-house musicians. Also, Mario is now going to be able to use a machinegun and will be voiced by Nolan North. Sales projections show this will cause sales to jump approximately one jillion percent."
But yeah, it sounds either like business suits are making the artistic and design decisions (never ever a good sign) or after the abysmal failures that were Kane and Lynch 1 and 2 have driven the development team to be insanely conservative when it comes to what sort of game they're going to make (which means we'll be getting uninspired dreck from a team too afraid to do anything good). Either way, I'm going to go ahead and call this DOA.
"Yeah, Kojii Kondo and Charles Martinet are out. We're going to have a generic rock sound track created by in-house musicians. Also, Mario is now going to be able to use a machinegun and will be voiced by Nolan North. Sales projections show this will cause sales to jump approximately one jillion percent."
But yeah, it sounds either like business suits are making the artistic and design decisions (never ever a good sign) or after the abysmal failures that were Kane and Lynch 1 and 2 have driven the development team to be insanely conservative when it comes to what sort of game they're going to make (which means we'll be getting uninspired dreck from a team too afraid to do anything good). Either way, I'm going to go ahead and call this DOA.
whatevermort
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MMaRsu said:
Or we could assume that there was a reason for the change, and that the devs know what they should be doing with their own franchise. Either or.
Vigilant Walrus
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Ahoi-Brause said:
No absolution thread complete without this.
I love the X button controller scheme. Why even have controls when we can context sensitive everything(conkers bad fur day ref.)!!
soundscream
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Freedom Fighters - March Of The EmpireShaneus said:
vpance
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Maybe they got rid of Bateson because they're going with that whole mocap + voice over capture method at the same time thing, and they didn't think he could do it? They probably wanted another Hollywood actor for that. Stupid regardless.
No Kyd is a huge disappointment. With him not having done anything for IOI in ages the relationship must have soured. A lot of the original devs from past Hitmans have basically all left the company post Blood Money.
No Kyd is a huge disappointment. With him not having done anything for IOI in ages the relationship must have soured. A lot of the original devs from past Hitmans have basically all left the company post Blood Money.
So I searched around a bit on google and found this interview with Bateson:
http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2010/10/21/agent-47-speaks-an-interview-with-david-bateson/
Where he says this:
http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2010/10/21/agent-47-speaks-an-interview-with-david-bateson/
Where he says this:
So it seems he was involved at some point. Did they dump him without telling him?
PumpkinPie
Banned
It could be worse, they could get Timothy Elephant to do the voice work...*snigger*
yellow submarine
Member
To be pedantic, if you use your fist weapon instead of the hidden blade, Ezio will actually knock your opponent out or only disable them, he doesn't kill them. But I do understand the point you are trying to make about the differences.Red Blaster said:
Servbot #42
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Not gonna lie, no Bateson or Kyd is pretty depressing. I can sort of understand Kyd being gone because he is probably too busy doing the Assasin Creed's soundtracks, apparently his replacement Peter Peter (lol what a weird name) has worked with Kyd in the past so the music for Absolution may not suck after all, maybe.
I don't why the hell they replaced Bateson (if they really did, i need confirmation straight from IO) that dude made a pretty good and memorable 47 even tough he didn't have that many lines to work with it. Maybe it has something to do with their new mocap stuff that they are planning to put into the game.
I don't why the hell they replaced Bateson (if they really did, i need confirmation straight from IO) that dude made a pretty good and memorable 47 even tough he didn't have that many lines to work with it. Maybe it has something to do with their new mocap stuff that they are planning to put into the game.
ElRenoRaven
Member
WHAT? Why would you dump the voice of Agent 47? That would be like replacing the voice of Master Chief with Gilbert Godfrey. Or replacing Mario's voice with Jim Nortons.
Keyser Soze
Member
Edge says it is likely David Bateson will be replaced by "another recognizable face from TV or Film" who will work alongside the already announced Keith Carradine, Marsha Thompson
I'd bet on Timothy Olyphant. Seems like he would fit in with the "All Star Cast" bullet point they are looking to get.
All the Mo-Cap and voice recording is sppsed to be going down at Giant Studios
I'd bet on Timothy Olyphant. Seems like he would fit in with the "All Star Cast" bullet point they are looking to get.
All the Mo-Cap and voice recording is sppsed to be going down at Giant Studios
The Faceless Master
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what's not to get?Ahoi-Brause said:
the are going to make a game that sucks so that people won't want to pirate it.
Keyser Soze said:
TBH if anything it will probably be the guy playing 47 in the movie (not Olyphant) that is being coreleased with the game.
The only person I want to see play 47 is Statham, but I don't think I could handle the shock of 47 having a British accent so if it is Statham lets hope he has been practicing his American accent lol.
ElectricBlue187
Member
wow bail out. What the heck is wrong with IO?
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Deleted member 81567
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Well in memory of the Hitman franchise, I bought Blood Money again.
Keyser Soze
Member
The more I read Edge, the sadder I get...
They describe a "Helicopter Level where Agent 47 dodges between cover to escape"
I am sure I played that level in SC: Conviction :/
They describe a "Helicopter Level where Agent 47 dodges between cover to escape"
I am sure I played that level in SC: Conviction :/
Ahoi-Brause said:Apparently blood money was too expensive and pirated too much, that's why they're shitting all over the fans who actually bought the game and instead make a more expensive game that doesn't appeal to them anymore.
I don't get it.
Exec 1: Well, the game sold well and we made a lot of money. That's good.
Exec 2: But it was pirated a lot.
Exec 1: Every game is pirated, the fact is we did make a lot of sales and that's what matters.
Boss's Son: Well what if we made a game nobody wants? then nobody'd pirate it!
Exec 1: ...
Exec 2: Uh.. I wasn't...
Boss's Son: What, is my idea STUPID? I can ask my DAD.
Exec 1: no no! It's a great idea, right Two?
Exec 2: Right! *nod nod*