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David Perry's Twitter: PSP2 Coming, Has No UMD
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Crazymoogle
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bmf said:
Not really.
Max DS cart size right now is 256MB (2Gb) and I think it's pretty clear that cost on that is at or more than $4. It's possible to cut costs a little bit with larger banks, but even a GBA size cart isn't going to help much. I just haven't seen any evidence of 1GB+ MROM being commercially viable yet.
In any case, Mask ROM is typically faster than a lot of the cheap flash junk out there, so it's not exactly the cure-all it may appear to be. There's precedent for going readable though - Nokia had plenty of financial reasons to go with SD on the NGage.
Crazymoogle said:
Actually the largest MROM cart is 512MBit. 1GBit and 2GBit are only available in PROM (MROM are literally "printed" into chips, and I'm not sure they can actually be made in higher capacities than that without using multiple banks). A 1GBit cart costs way more than $4 for the publisher, so I doubt Sony would be much nicer than Nintendo to charge a similar price for ROMs with 8-16 times the capacity.
Grampa Simpson
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My main source on this is a line from the Wikipedia article on mask ROM. Do you have a better source? The maximum DS cart size is interesting data, but inferences from that are still inferences.Crazymoogle said:
Edit: It seems like more information is coming into the thread.
Crazymoogle
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M3d10n said:
Makes sense as transfer rate gets hit once you go above 512MBit right now anyway. I'm not sure if it's PROM or something crazy that old 3DROM deal was involved in, though. I guess it could be double layer MROM that takes a hit on the bank switch or something.
I get the impression Nintendo has loosened the chains since my days working on GBA stuff but I'm guessing UMD is still cheaper than MROM?
Blast Processing
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Ettenra said:
Sony (and MS and Nintendo) are notorious about lying about future products, though. UMD is a fucking disaster, and I'd be willing to bet that the greatest extent to which it will be leveraged for PSP4000/PSP2/PSPi is as a separate add-on UMD reader to allow us to copy the ROMs onto the new unit's hdd/ssd/memory stick.
Why would retailers be excited as selling playstation store cards?
They make zero money off of them. Unless Sony is giving them a small kickback on each card sold.
Still, the digital copy can't be sold back to gamestop so I'm sure they aren't jumping through hoops to get this accomplished.
Going the Valve/Steam route wouldn't be a bad idea though. Sells games at retail and DD, and then have the retail games link to your Playstation Network account.
They make zero money off of them. Unless Sony is giving them a small kickback on each card sold.
Still, the digital copy can't be sold back to gamestop so I'm sure they aren't jumping through hoops to get this accomplished.
Going the Valve/Steam route wouldn't be a bad idea though. Sells games at retail and DD, and then have the retail games link to your Playstation Network account.
BlazingDarkness
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Feep said:
eh? I really dont think that will be the case
The PSP is just getting momentum, preventing BC would be ridiculous at this stage, considering the PSP has got stuff like Final Fantasy XIII/ Kindgom Hearts/ LittleBigPlanet etc still to come, they're not going to do that.
WickedLaharl
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no umd should only be seen as a good thing
It could be BC, I'd be shocked if it's not, just no UMD drive.Feep said:
From now on, buy all your PSP games via the PSN store. Problem solved.
They could allow some sort of official image copying. If you have the UMD you can copy it to a PS3 then the PSP2 or something, but I doubt it.
BlazingDarkness
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the only realistic thing i can imagine is offering all upcoming PSP games via a downloadable service, but still stelling them in UMD format until a 'proper' PSP2 launches, and then phase out UMD all together
they're not just going to cut UMD support completely, that would be silly.
they're not just going to cut UMD support completely, that would be silly.
Tormentoso
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I am up for that Gamestop suck,i call today to see how much they gave for UT3 for PS3,the dude tell me only $3.50 3 damn dollars and 50 cents..hahaha
The fun part is that i was yesterday at GS and they have UT3 used mark as a $30 dollar game,so they give you $3.50 and they make $26 dollars and 50 cents which is allot more money than what they gave you for it.And then the dude tell me to fix it and to not make it look as bad as it sound,that if i give the 6 or more games they give me and extra 40%..haha...
So 40% of $3.50 how much is it...:lol
The true digital era can't come any faster,i once was against it but with company's like Gamestop riping and abusing of the costumer so bad i am up for it.
With all the efforts they have made to bring publishers support back to PSP and still many important games to be announced, it makes absolutely no sense to switch the attention to a new platform.
So that pretty much confirms that a PSP 2 won't be announced this year but during 2010 in the best case.
By the way it's probable that a substantial revision for the original PSP is coming this year ( sliding screen, compact design).
Things like no UMD and a fully digital distribution system make really sense for a PSP2 but not for a PSP redesign, so I think we're probably hearing rumors from different sources about two different products and the things are being mixed up a bit.
So that pretty much confirms that a PSP 2 won't be announced this year but during 2010 in the best case.
By the way it's probable that a substantial revision for the original PSP is coming this year ( sliding screen, compact design).
Things like no UMD and a fully digital distribution system make really sense for a PSP2 but not for a PSP redesign, so I think we're probably hearing rumors from different sources about two different products and the things are being mixed up a bit.
MadOdorMachine
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I'm curious, are PSP games playable on PS3? I've seen them for download, but never tried it.
TheDarkKnight774
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MadOdorMachine said:
they aren't but i wish they were
plagiarize
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all you people expecting to be able to play your UMD games on a hypothetical PSP2 are mad i'm afraid.
currently right, there are games that are sold in stores and that you can download to the memory card yes? is there any Sony approved way at all of downloading a game you bought in a store to your memory card? nope. we know it's possible to do thanks to homebrew, but Sony won't do it because there is no activation or validation method to stop someone just giving the UMD to all their friends so they can download it.
currently right, there are games that are sold in stores and that you can download to the memory card yes? is there any Sony approved way at all of downloading a game you bought in a store to your memory card? nope. we know it's possible to do thanks to homebrew, but Sony won't do it because there is no activation or validation method to stop someone just giving the UMD to all their friends so they can download it.
plagiarize said:
Perhaps some Steam-like update is in the works, that would allow transfer of info to the PSP, while the game remains DL'd/UMD xfer'd onto the users computer. Maybe some kind of check in/check out service, that would only allow the game to be installed on one PSP, but would allow as many PSP installs as the user desired. That's just asking to be hacked I know, but hopefully something like that can be done gracefully, and in a way that will let Sony keep the money their so going to make on this thing.
As for UMD's and B/C? I think it's more likely that Sony will send little packets of KY for you to lube up with before they deliver the bad news to your rectum. I don't want it to happen, but I think re-buying will be the only way to go.
Pretty much the case sadly. If UMD games and films have some sort of unique digital identification on them which can then be uploaded, stored and checked on an online database for authentication then we may be in luck, but I seriously doubt there's anything like that in all honesty.plagiarize said:
The only solution for UMD back compat I can think of would be some sort of clip-on UMD drive that plugs into the PSP2 and allows you to play games that way.
Deadly Monk
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DevilWillcry said:
If games are download only, won't this make is a lot easier to pirate games?
mistuhcahlos
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Mrbob said:
This is a good reason not to go completely digital. If you buy a game and it sucks, what do you do? With the limited amount of support the PSP store has been getting, why would this seem like a good idea to anyone?
Segata Sanshiro
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You know this type of thing is done by, um, anyone who sells anything, right? I sure hope you don't buy food at the grocery store, the cost is much cheaper than they're selling it for! And you'd better be naked, too, because clothes cost very little compared to the sale price!Tormentoso said:
Man some of you guys live sheltered lives.
Gamecocks625
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Tormentoso said:
(neutral) Tormentoso
His arguments are weak and his points are invalid
Your tag suits you well.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
hahahaa @ tormentoso
GameStop trade-in value for UT3: $3.50
Steam trade-in value for UT3: $0.00
what an improvement!
GameStop trade-in value for UT3: $3.50
Steam trade-in value for UT3: $0.00
what an improvement!
SecretBonusPoint
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Is Dave Perry set on some suicidal course out of the games industry? What does he possibly gain from being a dickhead repeatedly about an unannounced platform (he keeps saying PSP2 instead of a new PSP iteration) when its obvious Sony are supporting the shit out of the PSP1 until at least 2010?
Mrbob said:
You think stores carry those for free? Seriously?
The margin on cards is actually pretty great. Here in the UK, Retailers make about £5+ profit on Nintendo and Microsoft cards. Just because the PSN cards carry a $ value rather than points doesn't mean that's their face value.
WordAssassin
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I have the feeling all these mock ups are going about it the wrong way. The latest rumor said that with the screen closed, you'd still have access to the shoulder buttons so you could play games like Loco Roco. To me this insinuates that the buttons are thus under the screen, and unacessable if the device is "closed." He also said it would be much smaller once closed. I think it's going to look a little something like this:
Eh? Eh?
Sorry for the shit quality of the idea, my tablet is broken so I had to make due with a mouse.
Eh? Eh?
Sorry for the shit quality of the idea, my tablet is broken so I had to make due with a mouse.
WordAssassin
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I dunno, I guess it'd be the same size as the current PSP's screen, or maybe a bit bigger? I didn't take any dimensions into account when I made it that mock up.
It'd be like the T-Moblie G1 phone, how that screen slides up on a little tack and all the keys are under it. But with a PSP-sized screen.
It'd be like the T-Moblie G1 phone, how that screen slides up on a little tack and all the keys are under it. But with a PSP-sized screen.
WordAssassin said:I have the feeling all these mock ups are going about it the wrong way. The latest rumor said that with the screen closed, you'd still have access to the shoulder buttons so you could play games like Loco Roco. To me this insinuates that the buttons are thus under the screen, and unacessable if the device is "closed." He also said it would be much smaller once closed. I think it's going to look a little something like this:
Eh? Eh?
Sorry for the shit quality of the idea, my tablet is broken so I had to make due with a mouse.
Isn't this pretty much the only way to design a sliding screen for the PSP? What other theories are there?
A PSP2 doesn't need a UMD to still support UMD. It could be an accessory, something that you use to sync a game to memory in the device, or even to a PC. It could even be built into a docking station which charges the device as well. Syncing could let you play a game for 5 days without resyncing or some other reasonable compromise to prevent people syncing rental titles or similar.
WordAssassin
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Look through the thread. I wouldn't have made it if someone else had done it already. There are three mock-ups posted and none of them look like mine.Mutagenic said:
Here's a more accurate, though quick and dirty cause I have to go to work, description of what I mean:
And yes, I'd imagine it'd be a bit cramped. That's why I suspect a larger screen, but who knows. Maybe there'll be some shit on the sides for like, movie controls when it's closed. I don't know. The latest rumor said it'd be smaller, though, so there you go.
WordAssassin said:Look through the thread. I wouldn't have made it if someone else had done it already. There are three mock-ups posted and none of them look like mine.
Here's a more accurate, though quick and dirty cause I have to go to work, description of what I mean:
And yes, I'd imagine it'd be a bit cramped. That's why I suspect a larger screen, but who knows. Maybe there'll be some shit on the sides for like, movie controls when it's closed. I don't know. The latest rumor said it'd be smaller, though, so there you go.
Why on earth would you keep the width at or near the same as the original system? You have so much empty space at the bottom between the controls that it almost makes no sense to even have a sliding screen.
WordAssassin
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Jesus I said I'm in a hurry. The controls would go UNDER the screen. When the system is closed, it'd be JUST the screen. This is exactly how the latest rumors describe it. Smaller then the PSP, especially when closed, and when it's closed ONLY the shoulder buttons are acessable.Mutagenic said: