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Dead Cells trailer - Castlevania meets permadeath, a vibrant pixel art "roguevania"
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Sword Of Doom
Member
I Played unexplored this past weekend and did not like the feel of the gameplay so I get what they mean.
Was so close to buying Dead Cells but I'm not sure if i should just wait until it's released. What exactly do they plan on adding or changing with the game?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Fjord enemies are tough. The two times I had a fairly easy time there was with the sword that does more damage if you've just been hit and the shotgun crossbow combined with a high strength stat.
I have a feeling they're going to nerf that revenge blade because it makes health recovery extremely easy.
apieceofstrange
Member
Put a handful of hours into this over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised. I hated Rogue Legacy, but this has me hooked so far. Awesome art/animations, and the combat feels very satisfying. Every run I am able to progress a bit farther. 3rd area starts to get pretty tough. Feels incredibly polished for an early access game too.
KCroxtonJr
Member
They talked a bit about their road-map, as well as what to expect from the first content update:
First Update:
The first content update will happen close to the end of the month and will include a mix match of new things:
Weapons and items!
NPCs - More of the little chaps hanging around taking the mickey...
Achievements - We hear you like achievements...
Stats - Now you'll be able to measure, compare and brag all you want.
Lots of balancing - Bleed damage we're looking at you...
A new monster - Kill or be killed!
Music is coming - Yoann is hard at work, doing stuff.
New mechanic: Use the elements to turn the tide in your favor!
John Rabbit
Banned
My biggest gripe with this game so far is the roll mechanic. It needs work; especially against shielded enemies or in situations where enemies are grouped together. I appreciate the limitation on roll spamming, but I don't feel the current timing/balance is right. I'd rather either have the ability to roll twice in a row with a longer cooldown penalty, or have the roll travel a greater distance (even just a few pixels) so that you're more reliably able to move past shielded enemies or enemies with an AOE/long attack reach.
Individual weapon/skill/ability upgrades that you unlock with the Collector NPC are permanent across runs.
Stat upgrades which are found in the game world (health, weapon damage, skill damage/cooldown) reset on death. Bosses reset on death. Gold is lost upon death at the start, but there are perks you can unlock to retain a percentage on your next run.
Individual weapon/skill/ability upgrades that you unlock with the Collector NPC are permanent across runs.
I've been playing this quite a bit recently. The first bridge boss remains unbeatable because I rarely get to him with my ideal gear setup. Also, the Electric Whip and Throwing Knife combo is pretty great for me. Bows feel useless thanks to the low speed, turrets are good but tend to fall where I don't want them to.
Bring on more content.
Are they going to wipe the current status when the update hits? I've earned a lot of upgrades already.
Bring on more content.
Are they going to wipe the current status when the update hits? I've earned a lot of upgrades already.
John Rabbit
Banned
Bridge Boss becomes fairly routine at a point, keep pushing. His tells are pretty obvious and unless you're carrying a flashbang or ice grenade (to interrupt), don't jump against him in his final stage, you'll go down instantly.
Case in point, the flying bomb enemies in The Old Sewers (they look like green blobs with wings). Their blast radius is almost identical to the range of your roll, so if they trigger directly on top of you and you roll away, you're not guaranteed to escape. This can especially be a problem with the random level generation as oftentimes you're not even afforded the space to maneuver away. In a game obviously designed for speedruns, it's problematic that you suddenly have to creep and crawl through an area just so you're not caught in a bad situation completely out of your control.
Lanrutcon
Member
If the first boss is getting you, then dude: second boss is going to redefine your definition of bullshit.
John Rabbit
Banned
I'd love this too. Some of the weapons just aren't fun for me (Spiteful Sword for instance). I don't even need a "refund", just take it out of rotation.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
So does Dead Cells not have an OT? I know it's still in Early Access, but it feels better than 99% of other finished titles. I'd actually consider making one up, if there's a demand for it.
Oh, and game-related: I found a turret that inflicts poison. My gawd. It just tears through enemies. I barely need to do anything.
Oh, and game-related: I found a turret that inflicts poison. My gawd. It just tears through enemies. I barely need to do anything.
Yea holy shit that is an annoying boss. It just takes forever, I hope they rework it.
Oh you pay to remove. In crypt of the necrodancer you pay with the special currency, not gold.
CountAntonius
Member
I'd say yes. game deserves it.
Just bought it and damn. This game really feels good.
Lanrutcon
Member
Yeah, same feeling here. Sewers are tougher but generates more loot related encounters.
Randomizer123454444
Member
In my opinion ramparts is faster if you go for speed run type of thing as you can just skip most of the stuff. Sewers is better if you intend to go slow and steady.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I was wondering about this a while ago and found this handy image that summarizes the connections between zones and the difficulty level of each area. The difficulty level determines the level of the equipment you find. The Old Sewers are level 4, i.e., one level above the ramparts. The Toxic Sewers are level 3, same as Ramparts. Going through both sewer stages (thoroughly) instead of the Promenade and the Ramparts should be better preparation for the boss. Of course, there's an even harder path you can take, but I've only tried it once or twice when I got really good stuff in the first area. Didn't make it to the boss.
http://www.en.magicgameworld.com/dead-cells-zone-progression-and-levels-guide/
Messofanego
Banned
Guys, please keep your discussion to about the trailer, not the full game.
lol some mod should edit the title.
lol some mod should edit the title.
More_Badass
Member
This is like how the recent trailer thread for a movie becomes the thread where everyone talks about the movie. Not an issue really
WaterAstro
Member
Not to talk down this game because it looks great, but I would put Rogue Legacy as the "did it first".
Now, if they said Metroidvania, since they have multiple weapons differing from class Castlevania games, that would make more sense. Maybe call it... Metroguevania. lol
Now, if they said Metroidvania, since they have multiple weapons differing from class Castlevania games, that would make more sense. Maybe call it... Metroguevania. lol
I've been playing this game every chance I get. My current preferred build is Rapier, Whip, Magnet, Meat Grinder.
I've found two runes (Vine and Statue) and been to the following locations:
Start
Promenade of the Condemned
The Old Sewers
The Toxic Sewers
The Ramparts
Fog Fjord
The Prison
Ossuary
The Black Bridge
I'm perpetually jinxed into losing any blueprints I find at this point. Yesterday hurt the most. I had 72 cells, 2 blueprints and couldn't for the life of me get out of the prison. Eventually I got ganked by one of the large swordsman clouded by the fog maker assholes. That one really hurt.
I've found two runes (Vine and Statue) and been to the following locations:
Start
Promenade of the Condemned
The Old Sewers
The Toxic Sewers
The Ramparts
Fog Fjord
The Prison
Ossuary
The Black Bridge
I'm perpetually jinxed into losing any blueprints I find at this point. Yesterday hurt the most. I had 72 cells, 2 blueprints and couldn't for the life of me get out of the prison. Eventually I got ganked by one of the large swordsman clouded by the fog maker assholes. That one really hurt.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I would say Dead Cells "did it better." The combat in this game is actually good.
H.Cornerstone
Member
If I've never played one of these games, would this be the best one to give the genre a shot?
This.
John Rabbit
Banned
I'd go with Rogue Legacy on sale. Cheaper cost, easier difficulty curve, and it's a finished game.
What stutter?
I'd be fine with this too actually.
They're pretty worthless right now, imo. Devs have said an upcoming patch will address/buff shields and rebalance some weapon damage.
Are you sure the shield isn't worth giving a shot, if you're having so much trouble with double DPS?
Also, to add to the whole first boss thing, guy melts against dual daggers.
There are definite similarities, but there are also enough differences where I don't feel like this game is encroaching on Rogue Legacy too much.
adversarial
Member
This game is incredible. The music is awesome, but doesn't match the atmosphere of the game to me.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
There's so much to love about this game, but the soundtrack is sure up there with the rest of it. If fact, I think the theme for Ossuary may be my favourite video game track in years. It reminds me of old-school Diablo a bit. I even find myself choosing to go there simply to listen to it again.
The OST -- what's currently available, at least -- is well worth a purchase, IMO. €3 is honestly a steal.
Totally disagree, but to each their own!
Oh wow, I guess I made it to the final boss on my hour-and-a-half run a couple days ago!
I guess it depends on which genre you're talking about; it's a combination of so many!
If you mean Rogue-likes/lites, sure! It's one of the better ones, IMO, and is more approachable than something like Spelunky.
If you mean Metroidvanias. . . not really. Again, it's fantastic, but a lot of what it takes from this particular genre -- animation, the maps, locked-off areas etc. -- are a tad superficial, IMO. I think either Super Metroid or Castlevania: Symphony of the Night would be better introductions.
The OST -- what's currently available, at least -- is well worth a purchase, IMO. €3 is honestly a steal.
Totally disagree, but to each their own!
Oh wow, I guess I made it to the final boss on my hour-and-a-half run a couple days ago!
I guess it depends on which genre you're talking about; it's a combination of so many!
If you mean Rogue-likes/lites, sure! It's one of the better ones, IMO, and is more approachable than something like Spelunky.
If you mean Metroidvanias. . . not really. Again, it's fantastic, but a lot of what it takes from this particular genre -- animation, the maps, locked-off areas etc. -- are a tad superficial, IMO. I think either Super Metroid or Castlevania: Symphony of the Night would be better introductions.
KCroxtonJr
Member
I agree, they're pretty much just parry shields. Either they need to add new defensive style shields, or they need to rework the way shields are now so that they can actually be used to play defensively.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Given how you can be juggled to death instantly in a crowd of enemies, I'm not sure how they could implement a shield for blocking rather than parrying without changing some other fundamentals of the combat. As designed now, the best defense is powerful offense. If you can kill enemies in a few hits, you rarely have to worry. The health regen mechanic also points to this being the designers' intent.
MythicReclaimer
Member
In my experience I usually feel pretty burned on some over-hyped/recommended indie games in which my interest fizzles rather quickly but I'm glad to say not with this one.
This game is pleasing artistically/visually with incredibly fluid gameplay at this stage in development and a unique progression system to boot. Love it and look forward to the updates.
This game is pleasing artistically/visually with incredibly fluid gameplay at this stage in development and a unique progression system to boot. Love it and look forward to the updates.
If you're asking about rogue-likes/lite then I would say yes. I played several games from the genre but nothing hold my attention longer than an hour. I can't stop playing Dead Cells.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
We'll see how it is. The last game like this (Chasm) wasn't that great.
KCroxtonJr
Member
So they why even make shields at all if it's all about offense, their current implementation makes them pretty much useless after the first stage or two. There is no way you can viably use a shield during combat against most enemies past the first boss, and even before that.
Did I miss something? Chasm isn't even in Early Access afaik.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I don't know. I've never used a shield other than trying it out for the first time. It's something they need to work on. The problem is that even with several health upgrades, later enemies can kill you in two or three hits, so why would you ever risk using a parry weapon when, usually, you'll have an offensive weapon that can take them down before they can attack you. Maybe the answer is for all shields to grant a passive defensive buff.
Still, I like this game precisely because you can be fast and aggressive once you understand the enemy types. The idea of playing more patiently doesn't appeal at all, even though generally I love parry mechanics. Maybe if a successful parry killed a bunch of enemies within a certain range, then it would be something I'd use more often.
KCroxtonJr
Member
I had the same thought lol. Pretty sure the only thing that ever came out of that game was basically like a tech demo.
The main problem with parrying is that the enemy design just doesn't mesh well with having to pull off perfect timing. Way too many enemies attack at the same time, and a ton of them have ranged attacks, teleport, or do some other crazyness that is pretty much impossible to effectively time a parry against. It's not like the souls games where combat is slower paced and very methodical.
I'm not even saying that I want to use shields, but since they are in the game I think they should at least make them viable. I mean why not let us be able to turtle behind a shield and tank some hits, when we can already just stand on a ledge and just drop bombs, traps, critters, and whatever else on groups of enemies without even having to worry about being touched at all.