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[NOOI]

Yeah I don't think it makes you a molester irl or that there's anything really morally repugnant about it, but it's awkward as hell and not the kind of thing I'm interested in.

As I said before, that appear to be the point. They are deliberately making sure you can't enjoy it TOO much. It would have been easy to alter the script in a way to argue that the female is willing, but that would be an entirely different kind of game. It is a pleasure, but it has to be a GUILTY pleasure. You are suppose to feel bad, to imply that the game doesn't encourage it.

PC is where you get the willing female avatars.

 

[YianGaruga]

Can't we all agree that both are pretty deplorable and overly gratuitous?

I'd rather agree that both aren't.

As I said before, that appear to be the point. They are deliberately making sure you can't enjoy it TOO much. It would have been easy to alter the script in a way to argue that the female is willing, but that would be an entirely different kind of game. It is a pleasure, but it has to be a GUILTY pleasure. You are suppose to feel bad, to imply that the game doesn't encourage it.

PC is where you get the willing female avatars.

Exactly. A game where a girl wants you to touch her and gets aroused wouldn't be on consoles.

 

[Tohsaka]

Sucks that we can't play through the actual volleyball and stuff in VR, apparently. I guess it'd probably be too hard to get everything working properly.

 

[QuantumSquid]

You're saying that's wrong?

You think there won't be any VR games where you can kill innocent people that are going to be praised on GAF?

Why the fuck would GAF praise a VR game in which you kill innocent people?

 

[CorporateClown]

Holy fuck.

You know when you're really trying to not laugh so people don't hear you and you end up letting out some sort of gasping for air squeal? Yeah, I just did that at work from watching the video.

Anyway, it's pretty much what I expected. Ridiculous, but I still want to try it for its stupidity.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Can we stop this west vs east shit? I hate being labeled like this.

People in the west will like violent stuff, other sexy stuff, other neither. Just like everywhere, even Japan. The west is not a hivemind.

Obviously he meant generally perception and not literally everybody, and in that case it's definitely true.

Can't we all agree that both are pretty deplorable and overly gratuitous?

No, that's the whole point of this discussion.

 

[NOOI]

Why the fuck would GAF praise a VR game in which you kill innocent people?

Well, if VR takes off then we would definitely get GTA VR officially. And GTA let you kill innocent people. And GTA tend to be critically acclaimed everywhere... So, yes, it will happen.

 

[Ban Puncher]

It's as much of a sexual harassment simulator as GTA or CoD are murder simulators.

 

[YianGaruga]

Why the fuck would GAF praise a VR game in which you kill innocent people?

You think GAF wouldn't praise GTA V in VR?

lol

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Why the fuck would GAF praise a VR game in which you kill innocent people?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=925159

 

[Mephala]

Oh. So you can rub the girls now huh? Probably adding a lotion minigame at some point.

Is it weird that the first thing the gif made me think of was this:
http://i.imgur.com/pvg4EZR.gif (NSFW?)

Then the FE censored head patting?

 

[Blam]

This is it people we've it the peak of gaming and its all downhill from here.

 

[Griss]

Looks awesome to me, and I cannot understand the people offended by it at all.

First of all, the way this happens in development is obvious:
-You're putting in a VR mode where you can 'be' with the girls.
-You test said mode with users.
-You immediately realise that people will see what happens if they reach out to touch the girls.
-You can either
a) Make the girls not react, and be 'incorporeal', and thus break immersion / 'presence' whatever you want to call it, or
b) Make the girls react as you'd expect, by saying 'stop that'.

What do you think you'd do?

Second of all, the whole point of large sections of gaming is allow you to do stuff you could never do in real life. From sick shit like murder to tamer stuff like this. No one will play this and say 'Jeez, I should go to the beach and put my hands all over a hot girl's chest!' The reverse is what's happening. People go to the beach, secretly think 'Geez, I'd love to put my hands all over that hot girl's chest but can't,' and DoAX3 VR comes in and says 'Boy, do I have a proposition for you!'

 

[YianGaruga]

Looks awesome to me, and I cannot understand the people offended by it at all.

First of all, the way this happens in development is obvious:
-You're putting in a VR mode where you can 'be' with the girls.
-You test said mode with users.
-You immediately realise that people will see what happens if they reach out to touch the girls.
-You can either
a) Make the girls not react, and be 'incorporeal', and thus break immersion, or
b) Make the girls react as you'd expect, by saying 'stop that'.

What do you think you'd do?

Cut the mode completely and fire everyone involved! It's the only way

 

[M3d10n]

Do some people still pretend DOAX3 is still about beach volleyball?

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Do some people still pretend DOAX3 is still about beach volleyball?

I'm terrible at the volleyball, it's actually my least favourite part because I can't win for the life of me.

 

[UrbanRats]

It a softcore porn/fetish game, of course it's not for everyone.
It's like expecting a site like Kink to be for everyone in the mainstream (only, this isn't nearly as extreme).

Trying to walk the line between straight up hentai game and "legitimate videogame" is probably the only reason why people even care about this.

 

[YianGaruga]

Do some people still pretend DOAX3 is still about beach volleyball?

That's actually most of what you do in the game, so yeah it is

It's also about voyeurism

so I'd say 50/50

 

[raven777]

Do some people still pretend DOAX3 is still about beach volleyball?

why do you think they took out the 'beach volleyball' part from the title?

 

[Griss]

Do some people still pretend DOAX3 is still about beach volleyball?

It's not about the volleyball but the volleyball is solid. Simple but solid.

I downloaded the demo and found myself playing the volleyball so often after work (despite having no swimsuits or anything else to play for and with no access to the gravure features) that I realised I should just buy the game. If you're enjoying a game, buy it. It kind of replaced Everybody's Golf in my rotation. Fucking ridiculous that PS4 still doesn't have an EG game.

 

[King Gilga]

It's as much of a sexual harassment simulator as GTA or CoD are murder simulators.

But GTA and COD are murder simulators.

 

[Kaako]

VR is going to save planet Earth from human vermin. Birthrate decline on a global scale, soon soooon.

 

[QuantumSquid]

It amazes me that some people take this game seriously.

Different strokes I guess.

You think GAF wouldn't praise GTA V in VR?

lol

Killing innocent people in GTA V is (almost) never incentivized. GTA V in VR would be praised because it would allow you to see the incredible game world Rockstar created in an entirely new way, just like the addition of first-person mode in the XB1/PS4/PC versions did.

 

[bryt]

So this is the future.

 

[Kaako]

It amazes me that some people take this game seriously.

Different strokes I guess.

You do realize you're posting on Neogaf right? Where there's literally a defense for for anything and at least some will take their anything/everything seriously...

 

[Ferr986]

I wasn't sure how to put this, but if you look at the markets, the games that are being released and the type of content that gets cut from games, it is correct.

I'm not labeling literally every person who lives in those regions

I mean sure, market preference are totally different, but I think the west is not that bad in that regard,

Other than Nintendo being Nintendo, you have a lot of fanservicey games arriving here. And Japan is actually harsher censoring actual nudity.

Yep a lot of people love guns more in America but that's another problem (I'm not even American btw).

Looks awesome to me, and I cannot understand the people offended by it at all.

First of all, the way this happens in development is obvious:
-You're putting in a VR mode where you can 'be' with the girls.
-You test said mode with users.
-You immediately realise that people will see what happens if they reach out to touch the girls.
-You can either
a) Make the girls not react, and be 'incorporeal', and thus break immersion / 'presence' whatever you want to call it, or
b) Make the girls react as you'd expect, by saying 'stop that'.

The problem is that I expect Kasumi to kick my ass. She's a fighter after all, or so TN says.
It would be more realistic that she actually opposes you and makes you stop the groping , that just saying "stop" but let's you keep going defendless till you're bored.

 

[YianGaruga]

Killing innocent people in GTA V is (almost) never incentivized. GTA V in VR would be praised because it would allow you to see the incredible game world Rockstar created in an entirely new way, just like the addition of first-person mode in the XB1/PS4/PC versions did.

So? You can still kill civilians. You don't have to, no one forces you to.

Just like no one forces you to molest girls in DOAX3 VR. You can just look at them do stuff in VR.

Yet one is more or less ignored, the other is the end of civilization.

You can find tons of videos where people run over civilians in GTA and people think it's the funniest shit ever. But a jiggling boob? Not allowed to exist.

You don't think that's weird?

 

[tolkir]

 

[King Gilga]

I wasn't sure how to put this, but if you look at the markets, the games that are being released and the type of content that gets cut from games, it is correct.

I'm not labeling literally every person who lives in those regions

Unless you're blind not even remotely.

Western console games have far far more sexual content than japan ones.

 

[Griss]

It a softcore porn/fetish game, of course it's not for everyone.
It's like expecting a site like Kink to be for everyone in the mainstream (only, this isn't nearly as extreme).

Trying to walk the line between straight up hentai game and "legitimate videogame" is probably the only reason why people even care about this.

This attitude regarding that line between porn and not-porn always drives me crazy on here and in liberal circles.

-Show naked lady in entertainment
"Disgusting! Objectification!"
"Excluding half your audience, unacceptable!"
"Could influence people to commit sex crimes."

-Woah, woah, hold on people... this is actually porn. It's meant to be porn. It's just soft-core.
"Oh, well then, carry on. Porn is good. I'm a sex-positive progressive, after all."
"People have a right to express their sexuality however they want!"
"Different people like different things and that's okay."

The problem is that I expect Kasumi to kick my ass. She's a fighter after all, or so TN says.
It would be more realistic that she actually opposes you and makes you stop the groping , that just saying "stop" but let's you keep going defendless till you're bored.

If you're expecting Kasumi to kick your ass you haven't been paying attention. She has always been a meek, absurdly traditional trope of a thing. She's garbage. And that's okay, because people obviously like that. But let's not pretend she's anything but a horrible shell of a character really.

 

[YianGaruga]

Unless you're blind not even remotely.

Western console games have far far more sexual content than japan ones.

There's different sexual content that is allowed in US compared to JP. You don't have to lecture me on this stuff.

You'd have to blind to not see the difference in how it's treated in those regions.

 

[Sanctuary]

That first comment in the comments section.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Wouldn't be one of these threads without people desperately finding why this is alright and trying to compare it to GTA.

 

[King Gilga]

There's different sexual content that is allowed in US compared to JP. You don't have to lecture me on this stuff.

Yeah, the US has actual sex and nudity, not just random molestation of anime girls and pixelation and shit like those prudes in japan.

 

[Ric Flair]

fucking gross, why is that a game.

 

[YianGaruga]

Wouldn't be one of these threads without people desperately finding why this is alright and trying to compare it to GTA.

Well it is alright so of course people are going to argue that

so far no one has posted a single argument why it is not alright other than "ugh I think it's gross"

 

[Griss]

Wouldn't be one of these threads without people desperately finding why this is alright and trying to compare it to GTA.

There's nothing desperate about it. It's just blatantly alright.
EDIT: Dammit Yian. Beaten.

 

[Ferr986]

If you're expecting Kasumi to kick your ass you haven't been paying attention. She has always been a meek, absurdly traditional trope of a thing. She's garbage. And that's okay, because people obviously like that. But let's not pretend she's anything but a horrible shell of a character really.

I suspect every girl will share the same behaviour though.

 

[theangrypirate]

Wouldn't be one of these threads without people desperately finding why this is alright and trying to compare it to GTA.

Wouldn't be one of these threads without people desperately finding why this is bad and trying to compare it with actual sexual assault.

 

[KingJ2002]

Harassment Simulator lmao what the fuck

LMAO... was just about to post this.

 

[rochellepaws]

Each to their own though I wish games like this at least portrayed a consequence to your actions rather than render the girl as an object to be ogled and poked as you desire.

 

[Rellik]

fucking gross, why is that a game.

Why is GTA game? You can bang a stripper and then shoot her in the head. Absolutely disgusting. Ban it.

 

[Theonik]

Needs a bit more polish.

 

[ResoRai]

Lol. This is really weird, but I mean it's fine, could be worse.
Once came across an 18+ game online where, hmm, well now that I think about it was torture porn. Man... Messed up my night. Noped away from that hard.

But I can understand how some wouldn't find this Doa game in particular alright. Friend in highschool went through something horrible when she was younger. Would probably be repulsed at this.

I find the comparison to GTA or murder odd tho. Seems like something that should be kept separate.

 

[Inuhanyou]

VR is going to be an interesting time in regards to the subject of what morality in games comes down to.

I think from an ethical perspective more than anything, because it blurs the lines for people between acting out something on the TV, and doing it in a virtual world that is made with the intention of being immersive and being reality based.

That goes for sexual things and violence as well.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Is it a free mode that will be available later to the game or a stand alone game? I read that many games on PS4 are adding PS VR mode for free.

 

[NOOI]

VR is going to be an interesting time in regards to the subject of what morality in games comes down to.

I think from an ethical perspective more than anything, because it blurs the lines for people between acting out something on the TV, and doing it in a virtual world that is made with the intention of being immersive and being reality based.

That goes for sexual things and violence as well.

That depends on what you think is more important; is it about protecting people from being hurt, or is it about punishing people doing things you don't like in the privacy of their own homes?

Because it is pretty clear to me if you are going to pull out the " bad influence" argument, that had been debunked for multiple pieces of media.

If anything, when VR become advanced enough, it would become superior to reality for everything, even sex and violence. When virtual sex is better than the real thing, why would anyone be a rapist? If violence is more satisfying in VR than actually trying to do the same thing in reality, why would anyone try to commit acts of violence in real life?

Your assumption is that high quality VR would make people try to act things out in the real world. My counter argument is that if the technology got that far, the users wouldn't want to leave the VR world anyway. Real life violence is far less exciting than what a game can achieve with proper CGI pyrotechnics and enhanced audio. And it is easy to imagine sexual encounters in VR that overshadows the partners that are actually available in real life.

Real life is not always going to be the gold standard of desirability, if it ever was to begin with. More likely people who like playing games will keep playing games. Just as COD fans are unlikely to enlist in the US military just because they play the game.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Is it a free mode that will be available later to the game or a stand alone game? I read that many games on PS4 are adding PS VR mode for free.

Update to the pre-existing game.

 

[Ric Flair]

Why is GTA game? You can bang a stripper and then shoot her in the head. Absolutely disgusting. Ban it.

I'm not going to defend the unnecessary bullshit in a GTA game, but even still that doesn't defend what is clearly a gross fucking game where you're groping a woman in a bikini. Fuck that, that's disgusting.

 

[jediyoshi]

But GTA and COD are murder simulators.

Yeah, the US has actual sex and nudity, not just random molestation of anime girls and pixelation and shit like those prudes in japan.

What's your point?