Son Of Sparda
Member
Thank you.
What? Of course I'm serious.
I thought the "60fps" bit, the "On the fly grope switching" and "AAA giants of the genre" were dead give aways but I guess I'm more subtle than I give myself credit 
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Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 on PSVR
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It's unfortunate that kind of creepy garbage had to be made by such a high profile developer as a launch title for PSVR, which inevitably will cause it to get greater media coverage.
Hopefully it doesn't blow up too big to the point where people say "VR? Oh yeah, that thing where you put on goggles so you can grope a woman who is begging you to stop? Yeah I saw that on the news. Who would buy something like that?"
Hopefully it doesn't blow up too big to the point where people say "VR? Oh yeah, that thing where you put on goggles so you can grope a woman who is begging you to stop? Yeah I saw that on the news. Who would buy something like that?"
Technically it's not a new game, it's just a free update for DoAX 3, which has already been out for months. This isn't a game for the western market anyway, so people can complain all they like but this game won't be tainting the shelves of their local Walmart so they shouldn't expect anyone to care. If they hate this so much, I'd love to see their reactions to some of the VNs that have official English localizations.
Thank you.
What? Of course I'm serious.
I thought the "60fps" bit, the "On the fly grope switching" and "AAA giants of the genre" were dead give aways but I guess I'm more subtle than I give myself credit
Ha, phew. Yeah, the "on-the-fly grope switching" felt like a joke but man... you never know. You just never know...
It's a free update as far as we know. What were you expecting?
It is unlikely that there would be enough people with PSVR to justify spending more development time on for now. If PSVR explodes in popularity, then Namco would consider doing more.
There's much much worse out there. The only reason why this is getting any press at all is because it's a VR game. Even then you might see maybe one or two more articles when it officially drops and that's it. Otherwise this isn't going to get any serious attention. Hell the only time the main game got any real traction with the western audience was the whole Play-Asia nonsense. Even then we're talking about niches within niches.
FanDeNintendo
Neo Member
It's the best use for VR that I have ever seen.
Or at least the most attractive for me...
Or at least the most attractive for me...
YianGaruga
Banned
no, you arrogant Westerners don't understand that it's not fucking real
When did people lose their ability to differentiate between virtual and real and start (selectively) applying real world standards to games
it's absurd. You have to realize that just because you are unable to see a difference and treat the two the same doesn't mean that everyone else does
There is no victim here. No one to defend. No universal ethics or morals or whatever else you think is the basis for your percieved superiority.
This is a dumb 10 minute mode in a video game that people are going to play, jack off/laugh/shake their head in reaction to it and then go on with their lives. Why the outrage? What's the actual problem here? No one has brought forth a single argument.
it's by far not the first game that allows you to do stuff like that and plenty of them are not Asia exclusive
everyone who treats this as a big deal is either looking for attention and/or is really sheltered and oblivious
Oh bravo.
Are there any Gaffers with sexual experience in Japan? I read a Ryu Murakami book (in the miso soup I think), where he describes a girl's first sexual encounter, and how she cried a bit like she thought she was supposed to, to make the sex better. I don't know if this was intended as societal criticism, or simply that because Japanese porn is kinda like this pretty often, that this is how sex has been internalized in Japan. That good sex is when the man is being assertive and caveman and the woman goes nonono while meaning yes?
It is actually quite funny lol. This makes me remember the over reaction of a certain H-game which showed up on many western news as it is all about taboo genre lol. And many suddenly said that the game is going to make the player become some kind of monster lol.
..... i mean, it is just a game lol. It is not like after i play CoD i will go crazy and killed people in the street here.
YianGaruga
Banned
yes. It's rapelay all over again
It is pretty interesting. The gaming world had been in full on denial mode for almost thirty years that games are transformative persuasive pieces that shape our attitudes. Now that some people have come out of their denial, they tend to overcorrect and shoot into full Daily Mail somebody think of the children mode. While in truth it's just fiction, like all fiction. But like all fiction we also need to be aware that we do in fact consume entertainment for a reason. But that's it really. As long as not every game has you assault women, and not every game has you brutally murder people (though a worryingly large part IMO, much more worrying than this game), there is room for everything.
Shuuhh. Don't mention the name lol.^_^ And u know the irony lol. The game is also not supposed to be sold outside of Japan but the backlash all come from outside of Japan lol. Even the news outlet is pirating the game for news lol.
There are also tons of people who consume entertainment for their own reason though? The people consuming this H/borderline H content can just do by them to ease their fetish which they can't do in RL? So what's wrong with that. I always believe that any games had its places as there are million/billions type of people with their own taste and we are not supposed to complain as long as they don't ruin the fun for the others.
Yes that's the catharsis theory. I think people are preordained (evolved) to want to experience catharsis from entertainment so that they grow emotionally. Having better control over emotions increases evolutionary fitness. What it means to grow emotionally from hentai I leave to the reader.
...maybe short bursts is what you will need every now and then...
I'll repeat myself, but "westerners" know that very well.
Most of the porn produced in the west (most of it coming from the US, which most of these complaints are probably coming from) would fare much much worse than this game, if someone were to apply the same critical logic to it (a logic I think it's flawed, btw).
And then there's the already made example of Grand Theft Auto and other similar games, which people like to sweep under the rug by claiming "whataboutism" and other bollock answers, but it's actually very relevant.
And it is, because it underlines simply what sort of taboo takes, to break the spell, and make you look at what you're doing, from another angle.
This is why i think this should be seen as just another Hentai/fetish/porn game, even if softcore in what it shows; it would put you in the right mindset, because that's what it is.
Of course, people treating this as the "sexual predator training manual", should probably calm down.
Someone tell me what this show is called. I remember watching it on YTV late at nights during the 90's.
That's not true at all. There's a lot of disliking about these kind of stuff in Japan too including that game and others, same as shit like Lolis and such. You act like everyone is an Otaku in Japan when the reality is that they are seen as weirdos as much as here, just that companies caters to them because they spend a lot of money.
And please, Rapelay is far worse than any CoD. It goes beyond on just violence.
capitalCORN
Member
Yes! Japan leading the sexual revolution in 2016. I will finally lose my virginity to this game!
It is exactly this, but they are just not naked, because
A) Dead or Alive woman are popular (Marie Rose is extremely popular for woman) and they shouldn't be seen like this
B) No Hentai/Porn on consoles
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
killatopak
Member
dat motorboat hahahahaah!
??? Not once had i mention that all Japanese is Otaku. I only said that there is exactly zero problem with the game here. It is not like they are shoving the game to your throat there. You can just skip it if you hate it. It is just as simple as that. It is a game. It is not real. Thats all to it. If u want to consider a game as an art so go do it. But there are also others who simply view game as simply, game.
Hell, many of the news which talk about Rapelay actually does generalize many of Japanese males as pervert lol as they believe many of the gamers there love this kind of game when they don't.
Oh pliz Rapelay is not in any way worst vs CoD Russian Airport shooting. So, now we want to compare the ranking of sins between those two things now?
capitalCORN
Member
Well for one, the COD shooting isn't glorified. It is designed to show the fragility of society and you don't even need to kill anyone to pass the mission, not to mention the closing scenes of the mission seal the message. Rapelay involves active participation in the sexual assault of multiple generations of a family, even resulting in unwanted pregnancy and forced abortion, reinforcing a value system that views women as mere objects.
Was just pointing that indeed that game also got some criticism in Japan if I remember correctly, and that there's people against things like rape and lolis and that kind of stuff.
Of course it doesn't mean anything because these products keep releasing and will always exist in Japan. But there "there's 0 problems there" is not true. It's more acepted for sure but not everyone is comfortable with it, like here, and has been campaigns against it too.
And yes, Rapelay is worse than that CoD scene for me, but I know I won't convince you and it's not like I want to. Of course I'm gonna skip and ignore the game and let everyone that wants to play be free to do it, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about the game.
And I agree that generalizing about all japanese males being pervs is just wrong and should never happen.
YianGaruga
Banned
rapelay is fucked up and even I wouldn't play it, but that's already where my problem with it ends
I couldn't care less about its existence and I don't think worse of people who played it
I couldn't care less about its existence and I don't think worse of people who played it
You <=====================================> even a vague understanding of what the point is
YianGaruga
Banned
well, once again, no one has even MADE a point other than "it's gross!" Which is an okay opinion to have, but that's all it is really
you're not really helping here either
Enough with speaking in code. Just say it. Say exactly what you want to say.
Umm..considering how Rapelay only had bad ending.... i don't think that game is also glorifying the sexual thing though. The process for sure is bad, after all this is a game where they sold for those small niche people who had those kind of fetish.(Just like how some people had guro fetish which i myself will stay 10 feet away as i totally can't stand that things.)
I do stand on my opinion here that people are allowed to make any kind of games they want. Just like Hatred where it glorifies killing but if the player actually had some common sense, they won't go outside to kill people as if we are blaming that to the game, we can also blame all other media which promote the same thing.(Books, Movie, games, music,etc.)
Ohh. I agree. Of course most if not major of the Japan criticize the game. I mean, it is common sense. Sexual Assault in RL is bad and seeing a game which played just like that will always triggered people as it is a taboo thing.
I do however feel, while we may feel uncomfortable like me on Guro(Hate this shit.), to demonize people who had this fetish but they keep it in their own self and uses this game as an outlet to please themselves is wrong. As long as they keep it their selves, they can go and enjoy those thing. Hell, i even hope that with this thing, they won't go out and harm people in RL.
Nobody is making a point tho outside of flailing their hands in the air screaming literal rape
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Just hook me up to their give up machine.
That'll save japan.
That'll save japan.
Thin White Duke
Neo Member
Looks fun, though not really enough to justify the price of a PSVR.
capitalCORN
Member
The sudden death ending was little more than a throwaway cop-out, the game had no problems with it's content prior to that. Hatred was rightfully vilified and denounced by pretty much everyone, there was no defense movement. You're just trying to draw false equivalency, selling sexual molestation as a matter of moral relativity.
YianGaruga
Banned
you weren't looking hard enough lol
There are many many people who have absolutely no problem with Hatred
capitalCORN
Member
Lead the way to any mainstream voice that defended it.
We live in societies that simultaneously objectify and denigrate women. Sexualisation of women is the ubiquitous, and it affects the way many men see women as objects rather than people.
This add-on contributes to all these things - while fictional, it reinforces the idea that women are objects with no agency that simply exist.
Gaming is like any other media, and how people are portrayed in it can either challenge or reinforce existing prejudices & attitudes. This add-on reinforces women as submissive objects and that men can ignore issues of consent for their own enjoyment.
You can choose to ignore changes in sexual politics, and you can continue to believe that games are in some way isolated from the rest of culture & society, but in making that choice you commit yourself to an ethical and intellectual cul-de-sac.
It has 115k sales according to Steamspy and there was a big shitstorm when Steam temporarily delisted it, plenty of people defended it.
capitalCORN
Member
Point the way to the defense force.
This is a simplistic way to look at it.
By this logic, most erotic art (from romance books aimed and female audiences, to outright pornography) wouldn't pass your ethical checks.
To correlate any type of personal fantasy, experienced in a safe space, to societal impact, in such a linear way, is very short sighted at best.
Of course everything has an impact in society, as every experience has an impact on the people who populate it, but to then go on and claim that the correlation is so straight forward, is what makes this discussion sound so weird.
Dude. Porn will be the #1 reason why anyone would invest in VR hardware, don't kid yourself.
Lol. How can it be just a throwaway move when the result is ur death? It simply told u there that if u do this thing,one day u are going to get the bad karma directly to ur face.
Of course the game had no problems with it's content prior. After all, that is during the process. Anyway, i am not going to join this what false equivalency thingy lol. I am still on my stand here that i don't find all these controversial games be a problem as long as it stays as a game.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/862628-hatred
Go check urself lol.
I will be willing to lose all sexualisation of women in media, if women agree to do the same with sexualisation of men with THEIR media.
I will be willing to make the trade. The hard part is we both know the women would never allow it.
In a video game literally everything is an object with no agency that simply exists. If someone starts treating people badly because of fictional characters then they have some huge mental issues.
YianGaruga
Banned
Thanks. I don't agree with you, but I'll think about it.
Basically I think this is a view of sexism that is way too simplistic.
Sexism can be tackled by improving representation of women without vilifying and attempting to change or ban pornographic content, which often is sexist by definition.
I also vehemently disagree with the notion that a game where you can poke the butt of a girl has the societal impact you speak of. There are people who are unhinged and can't separate reality from fiction, sure, but for a large percentage this is nothing more than a toy. It's the same argument about violence in games affecting real world violence. The connection is flimsy at best
People can drive through a group of civiilians in GTA or inappropriately touch a girl in DOAX3 and still continue to live a normal life and have progressive views and thoughts. On the other hand, people can use literally anything to enforce their problematic views, they don't need a game for that, and few things you show them will challenge them. They just need to go on the closest reddit or facebook group and talk to likeminded people. I see the impact of a game or any piece of media as completely insignificant compared to that.
Yours is a very idealistic view of people actually reflecting on media they consume or taking any kind of lesson from it, even subconciously.
This is a fringe and niche piece of entertainment and has a right to exists. You'd have an argument if we were talking about rape secenes in something like Game of Thrones, or Quiet being nothing but eye candy in MGSV, but we're not.
Lol. You know the opposite also exist right? I mean, this is talking about Japan. A country where Otome games is damn famous where they exploited the male for female fantasy. Hell, if u want to look for worst one, u can even find them in some H-Games lol.
Just like what i said before. Some game is made for the objectives to create an art or some deep story telling but not all game is like that. Some game just simply exist for being a game. It is you guys who love to overanalyze things.