irrotational
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IMHO Vertigo too
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Destiny 2: Seven minutes of Survival gameplay on Altar of Flame - IGN First
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IMHO Vertigo too
Twilight Gap
Member
Yea, Destiny doesnt have the right enemies for horde mode. Everything in Destiny tanks bullets until their healthbar goes down. In Halo, you had limited resources and the enemies were more of a threat.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
Some people like gunplay that is a bit more deliberate.
Bungie has tried it a few times now - I'd argue Archon's Forge was a better attempt at it than PoE, despite the single arena. I'm guessing we do get a new iteration of the idea in a public space on one ore more of the new destinations.
Even then, the Forge is less about survival and more about hanging out with people and blowing up enemies. Though it sounds like some of the new public events will pose more of a threat.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Yep. This is just tdm from Gears lol.
Honestly, it helps the game's population doing it this way. Gives them a huge pool to pull from for connection and skill. I mean is there really a huge difference between Control, Clash, & Supremacy to the point they need their own playlists? Not really.
Trials will probably be Countdown or Survival from week to week, so it makes sense to put both modes together so people can practice both.
I used to be like this. Was no MLG pro but in the Onyx range in Halo. Lamented the casual nature of Halo 4. But after the friends I played Reach and 3 with told me they think Halo 5 was too hardcore the message was clear. The design decisions around Arena were clear in that regard. They had a top down approach there. They were pushing HCS and their internal "Pro Team" hard.
It was all design decisions I agreed with. It made the game better at a high level. But not for every day players who were frustrated.
All I'm saying is its a shitty mindset to have and often times you are explaining game mechanics that most players don't ever think about. You may be right, but it doesn't mean that are important enough changes.
I'm not against it. I think it's a better way to do things, as it keeps things fresh from match to match.
And yeah, I forgot about Supremacy. I wish Bungie would actually let us know what old modes are returning. Survival is replacing Skirmish and we know Rumble won't be in at launch -- likely due to this new playlist format.
I don't think they've said anything else other than Control, Countdown and now Survival but I think we can safely assume Clash is in it.
Is Salvage gone? Will Rift and Supremacy be in the game at launch?
(Please let Rift be in at launch.)
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
This is why fireteams should allow four players. There's no consistency in group sizes. Three player groups for PVE that aren't raids, four people for PVP, and six people for raids. That isn't good.
Dynasty8
Member
Agreed, except I'd just make it 4 and 6 ONLY.
Story, Strikes, Patrol, and Competitive PvP should allow 4 in a fireteam.
Quickplay PvP and Raids should allow 6 in a fireteam.
Yeah, this is a big issue.
There was a leaked promo piece that said 5 modes, educated guess below...
-Control
-Countdown
-Survival
-Supremacy
-Clash
Kill Confirmed sucks, no idea why they're bringing that over instead of Rift or a CTF mode.
Stillmatic
Member
Yeah this doesn't make sense to me either. When there was a rumor floating around that raids could be 8 players, it made a bit more sense. But I don't think that's going to be the case in the end.
Because of raiding in D1 you have a good regular group of 6 and could evenly divide 6/3 for other activities. Being able to do something similar for D2 would've been perfect, instead of fracturing squads into 6/4/3 depending on what you want to do.
They're using the most basic of guns in demos.
They're using legendaries. Ever since the D1 Y1 HC nerf, legendaries have been the dominant class of guns in Destiny pvp. That's the last two years. These guns are probably a very fair indicator of how pvp will play.
Huh? Why wouldn't legendaries be the dominant type?
Did you expect everyone to be exotics as primaries?
No but they look and feel like the same boring junk since The Taken King came out. For a Sci-Fi game with loot, there's nothing exciting about this and when they do add new guns that are unique and thrilling to use they're just nerfed not long after.
Diprosalic
Banned
1080p what year is this?
I didn't. You claimed the guns were basic. They're not. They're the dominant weapon class. This is as complex as primaries will be short of exotics. You wholly missed the point.
No, you said, "Ever since the D1 Y1 HC nerf, legendaries have been the dominant class of guns in Destiny pvp."
Legendaries have always been the dominant class. Since day one. You're saying a nerf to HCs is what caused that? Huh?
Well, opinions and all that. There are plenty of legendary weapons I think look cool and play great.
If you're looking for a complete redesign to how guns look and feel, I'm thinking the game just isn't for you.
No. Cripes. Before the HC nerf, three exotic HCs ruled the crucible. Before that, the Suros. That wasn't my point.
My point was, THESE ARE NOT BASIC GUNS. THESE ARE LIKELY THE DOMINANT CLASS OF GUNS FOR CRUCIBLE PLAY. IT IS FAIR TO JUDGE THE GAME BASED ON THEIR USE.
Sounds like they fixed a problem then.
Yes, legendary guns are likely to be the dominant rarity.
Not seeing the issue.
Might wanna not get so heated over a video game though.
You claimed the guns used were basic.
I provided evidence to show they were both not basic and likely to be the exact class of guns pvp hinges upon.
You have since ignored your original statement several times or are completely incapable of seeing my point.
Not even the ever persuasive, attention grabbing, classic use of caps lock seems capable of making you remember your original point.
I provided evidence to show they were both not basic and likely to be the exact class of guns pvp hinges upon.
You have since ignored your original statement several times or are completely incapable of seeing my point.
Not even the ever persuasive, attention grabbing, classic use of caps lock seems capable of making you remember your original point.
igordennis
Member
This is the most nonsensical exchange i have ever read. ZeoVGM nothing that you have said makes a lick of sense. And i just felt the need to point this out, don't expect another post from me because you would probably drag me in an equally nonsensical argument.
You're in for a rude awakening come launch man. Sure, you'll get better/worse guns but it's pretty clear this is how the guns are going to feel. These are legendaries, not greens like in D1. Ironically the greens in D1 felt better to use.
There was nothing wrong with what I said, mate.
I believe they're using basic legendary guns. I think there will be better and more unique ones to get.
Not quite sure why this is such a difficult idea to grasp.
Well, then it all comes down to opinions then. I have no problem with how the guns feel in this beta -- especially believing there will be guns that feel better in the final game that they're not going to show off in a demo -- and I think saying the greens in D1 felt better to use is legit insane.
But it's the truth. D2 beta guns feel boring and weak. Everything was strong and effective in the D1 alpha/beta and that's because it was before Bungie nerfed everything.
In Bungie's search for "balance" they've ended up with "boring" instead.
I can guarantee you the guns in the D1 alpha/beta felt better than the guns in the D2 beta. Even if we are comparing greens vs legendaries, they felt stronger, had more auto-aim and did more damage comparatively. Literally the only class of weapon that feels better in D2 is handcannons because they were literally useless in the D1 alpha/beta.
Are we seriously going back to the D1 alpha/beta? That's never coming back, even if you do really somehow remember exactly how those guns felt after three years of playing non-alpha/beta Destiny.
Seems like a silly comparison and not one I'm personally interested in. I care about how guns feel in this beta compared to the last year+ of D1 and I'm happy with how they feel.
Seems like a silly comparison and not one I'm personally interested in. I care about how guns feel in this beta compared to the last year+ of D1 and I'm happy with how they feel.
The only weapon class I genuinely feared for coming out of the beta was the grenade launcher, because assuming that you were able to get a rocket or a fusion rifle, I don't see why you use it. Maybe there are other grenade launchers that aren't as wimpy or allow you to bounce your shots, but the one in the beta was really unimpressive.
xplicitone
Member
The guns in this beta feel like water guns with disappearing bullets and insanely high recoil.
Anyways, you are so wrong about legendaries in a previous post being always the best. Exotics are literally the highest tier and should be above legendaries and that clearly hasn't been the case in the last 2 years.
Everything weapon wise has been nerfed to the ground while adding insanely high bloom, recoil and flinch.
That isn't something I ever said.
I said that they're used more. I didn't say they were better than exotics. Clearly, that's wrong.
He said that legendaries are the "dominant" rarity in the Crucible. I think that's obvious because you can only equip one. Not everyone wants to use an exotic as their primary.
I see people use exotic primaries often enough. But you can only equip one. I personally would rather use a great legendary that I know I can shred people with and then save an exotic for the heavy slot. I'm certainly not along on that either.
gutter_trash
Banned
I hate these modes, just give me Clash
too team dependant, not fun for solo players
too team dependant, not fun for solo players
ThatsMytrunks
Member
I thought it was interesting that they talked about this in the IGN Walkthrough. The idea of putting a single power ammo in the center of the map to drive players towards the center seems smart.
Twilight Gap
Member
I used a rare sniper rifle for the first half of year one and a common sniper rifle (literally the first one that drops from the chest) for the second half. Sometime after all the nerfs, they basically made it so you had to use a Legendary to stay competitive.
There was a time The Crucible was the place you went in and used whatever you wanted. That time is long gone.
17 Seconds
Banned
those guys are misleading you. perks and stuff matter in pvp, but the damage is normalized. actual levels of your gear don't give you an advantage in normal modes.
I am going to rage so hard in this game due to people seeing their side is losing and leaving, making it 3 on 4 or 2 on 4.
Leavers were an issue in D1, but it's going to be magnified here, especially with all these try harder modes.
InsaneTiger
Member
Saw the new mode, not thrilled.
So play the casual modes.
gutter_trash
Banned
this is why 6v6 was better, you could still win with 1 man out
go play any other shooter on the maket, leave our Space Magic alone
Our space magic is still there. They do need to speed up ability cool downs though.
There's a casual playlist and a competitive playlist. The whole "omg e-sports" thing is nonsense.