You clearly misunderstand what is going on here. Most most are for 3 players max and don#t take this long. This is just for the raid content.
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Destiny's raids will not support online matchmaking with random players.
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You clearly misunderstand what is going on here. Most most are for 3 players max and don#t take this long. This is just for the raid content.
It is that simple. Because you and your group can't resist every minor upgrade to make heroic content easier, then all the other people who use LFR don't deserve the content that consists of the majority of dev time that everyone pays for. It all needs to be saved for the 5-10% who need to feel a sense of accomplishment. 75-80% of dev time for such a small player base simply doesn't make sense and I think we'll see that play out here over time too if the ratios are similar.
SerTapTap
Member
For non-friend players? I never noticed that option
So what, you would just start randomly clicking people to join your fireteam, then ask each of them if they were wanting to do a multi-hour raid and that nobody could leave in the middle of it or else you fail? There's currently no way to filter people "LFG" and having them be able to set a tag for themselves like "LFG Raid", "LFG Strike", "LFG Story", "LFG explore", etc.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
That's not what I was talking about. I was responding to a question about organising a group in the tower but there is no way for people to communicate in the tower unless you're in a fireteam already. It's ok to have mic chat once you've joined a group but how do you get this group together in the first place?
Xamtheking
Member
Wait wait wait
If these Raids are Endgame, say level 20
Why would it be so fucking impossible to go to the Tower and just look for level 20s
If these Raids are Endgame, say level 20
Why would it be so fucking impossible to go to the Tower and just look for level 20s
Why? Do you even know how many GAFers will just throw themselves at you if you need friends to play with?
TomcatTheLion
Member
Interesting decision.
Not that I would actually want to team with randoms for something that requires a lot of time to complete anyway.
Not that I would actually want to team with randoms for something that requires a lot of time to complete anyway.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Yup. Under roster in the pause menu.
blizzardjesus
Banned
In one swoop, i've lost all interest in playing Destiny. I only know one other person that will potentially own this on the same console i would have had it on. Which in turn locks me out of game content.
I would guess we could see some mmo fight mechanics though. Stuff like a dps race to a weak point or add that if failed wipes everyone would be pretty foreign concept to a shooter as just one example.
Jest Chillin
Member
To be honest this topic title and focus on one specific paragraph is a bit of a terrible way to introduce this news because it leaves out a LOT of relevant info that's in the article and we all know a ton of people won't click the link and read it.
They have that in Nightfall missions and High Level Strikes. It's mentioned in the article.
Bungie has said they invited a top clan to test the Raid. They spent a total of 16 hours on it (not likely consecutive hours) and still failed to clear it. It safe to say it's going to take a long time.
Well Bungie's attempt at solving this is in the redesign of Bungie.net and the use of the Mobile Apps. It's pretty awkward since it's an outside source but I can't think of a non-awkward way to implement it in game on a console. It also makes it easier for them to moderate the interactions.
There are indeed other MP modes that allow for matchmaking, including high level MP modes. Afaik only Raids are limited to manually maid groups.
They have that in Nightfall missions and High Level Strikes. It's mentioned in the article.
Bungie has said they invited a top clan to test the Raid. They spent a total of 16 hours on it (not likely consecutive hours) and still failed to clear it. It safe to say it's going to take a long time.
Well Bungie's attempt at solving this is in the redesign of Bungie.net and the use of the Mobile Apps. It's pretty awkward since it's an outside source but I can't think of a non-awkward way to implement it in game on a console. It also makes it easier for them to moderate the interactions.
There are indeed other MP modes that allow for matchmaking, including high level MP modes. Afaik only Raids are limited to manually maid groups.
At that point you are just getting some random 15 person cross section of the player base based on your Tower instance.
Xamtheking
Member
So you were going to buy Destiny only for the Raids?
Admiral Woofington
Member
You guys do realize that if you join one of the multiple destiny gaf groups/clans you'll be able to make plenty of friends plus have clan members to invite right?
This shouldn't be an issue for gaf people don't make it one. The option would be nice but "pre order cancelled" knee jerk reactions are a bit much.
This shouldn't be an issue for gaf people don't make it one. The option would be nice but "pre order cancelled" knee jerk reactions are a bit much.
You're right, it's an issue for everyone else.
Did you read the article? They start out at level 25 and progressively get harder.
Xamtheking
Member
Golden star for you
I wasn't thinking in terms of Light, sorry
PooBone
Member
If you're like me and don't care about PvP, it's been a bad week for Destiny.
Raid content most likely excluded bc of party size constraints, etc. Only 6-ish areas to play over and over again.
I'm really hoping it's a lot of hyperbole and the game comes out and is massive. I have a bad feeling though. Bungie's my all-time favorite developer. I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, but if you're just going to play with randoms anyways it would be so much easier to just have a matchmaking system rather than having to wait around in the tower hoping for someone to invite you.
I played the hell out of Mass Effect 3 multiplayer. I found many of my games through the ME3 community on gamefaqs, and set up a lot of games on that forum. However it was still nice to have the option to be matched up with randoms if I didn't feel like setting up a game on the forum or if no one else wanted to play.
FPS already does that and it is called a horde mode. Silly stance I hope they reverse.
Having content on a disc I can't access because I only have 1 other friend who will be playing Destiny and not the required 5 is a huge put off.
So we shouldn't care about what we see as a bad choice if it doesn't affect us personal ?
Sure I'll probably be able to find a group but I want the option out of principle. I don't like being told what is or isn#t a good idea here.
I mostly care about PVE and have zero concerns. The areas seem big enough and there will at least be strikes as well.
The point of doing this is that it is too hard for a non coordinated group. Getting matched with 5 other people who do not have headsets and so you have no chance of completing even a small percentage of the content is not fun.
Because without the option they can make the game harder.
Matchmade raids in WoW are NOT fun or challenging.
Because you'd have to invite dozens of people at random (with only up to 16 of them fitting inside a tower instance) before you find 5 of them willing to do a raid at that specific moment in time. A player's level tells you absolutely nothing about the kind of activity they're interested in, or about their skill level.
Why can't both co-exist?
Jest Chillin
Member
Raids start at level 25. To reach levels past 20, you have to equip gear that has the Light stat on it. To get that gear you have to play high level strikes and Nightfall missions to get them either through drops or special currency accrued over time.
It's all in the article http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/30/destiny-the-endgame-is-only-the-beginning-ign-first
In that past I've found that unless I'm super involved in a GAF community and post there all the time most "hey! I need people!" requests don't actually go that well.
Neffarias_Bredd
Member
That would be cool if an area organically formed in the citadel where people would wait around to be grouped up if they wanted to run a raid with randoms. Assuming "friends" means people in your fire team
AllBusinessJr
Member
Looks like I need to bolster my friends list with the population of neogaf east.
Xamtheking
Member
I didn't even quote you
Though, again, ALL THE GAF PEOPLE WILL PLAY WITH YOU
Brain died a bit
Both do exist. If you dont have friends you can do strike, or pvp, or nightfall, etc.
Strikes have it as well. I'd like to see it in the story and raids especially.
QFT
It's not really that "me and my group can't resist every minor upgrade". Most guilds that are interested (if not all) in heroic raiding content that aren't bleeding edge top world ranked guilds expect all of their players to be actively acquiring any and all upgrades available to them.
When you combine this with the fact that tier set bonuses and trinkets are often rotation/build changers you find yourself in a situation where you're expected to run LFR until you have said trinkets/tier pieces to fill out the gaps you're missing from normal/heroic. The simple fact is most guilds do not have the number of highly skilled players required to go in and kill heroic bosses without every single gear advantage available to them in the game.
This, imho, has caused a raiding environment in WoW where LFR raiding becomes mandatory for progression focused guilds. Even Blizzard sees this as a trending problem which is why they're removing tier pieces and trinkets from LFR all together.
I personally don't like the raiding environment that has been fostered by the current raiding system and look forward to Warlords systems. But again, if I don't want to join one of the bleeding edge guilds regardless of the reason "not playing LFR" isn't exactly that easy/simple of a solution (obviously until Warlords).
So yes - LFR has damaged the sense of accomplishment that raiding used to hold for me in WoW. I'm not saying that difficulty shouldn't exist - I'm saying the current implementation is poor. I'm also not arguing against matchmaking for Destiny raids - I think they should have it - I just think they should have it without lowering the difficulty.
SoaringDive
Member
If that's the case, is there at least split-screen?
Schweinehund
Member
Direct quote:
"The simple fact that raid content can be slept through in WoW while you drool on your keyboard has completely destroyed the sense of accomplishment that raiding used to carry"
It sounds like you're trying to make two arguments at once.
The first one is that there is no accomplishment in raiding (yes this vague term includes flex, normal, heroic, otherwise STATE IT). Which is statistically false, the challenge is there, very few people actually down the final boss in heroic encounters. You will not "sleep" during heroic garrosh.
The second is there's less incentive is purely based on your motivation. If it's gear, then yeah LFR adds less incentive, but why should this matter if you want the best of the best. If it's accomplishment/challenge, see response 1.
edit: Your whole spiel about LFR being required for heroics is such BS. There's two tiers between LFR and Heroic that both provide superior upgrades. No one directly jumped into hard mode ever since Ulduar without some normal gear. I'm starting to doubt you ever even raided normal at this point. Even before hard mode in TBC you would need to collect mats to craft epics and resistance gear which usually consists of farming bosses over and over before you could proceed to the final boss.
Admiral Woofington
Member
You can care. But reading typical "pre order cancelled" stuff over stuff like this when at least for you it shouldn't affect you. Bungie has been listening to loads of feedback during the beta. People will be mentioning by the droves to need to cancel a pre order so willy nilly.
Mention it to them. I'm sure plenty of others are.
adamantypants
Member
Lone wolf here. I was on the fence about Destiny, I'm not now. I know that there are players out there that I can play with, but I just prefer not to be forced into it and trying to organize a group of people to play with together.
Jest Chillin
Member
Strikes, PvP, and The Tower all have matchmaking. Technically explore has matchmaking as you move from one area to the other and Events match-make players from across several instances of the same area as well.
Already have.
blizzardjesus
Banned
I was sitting on the fence about it.
Single player was alright. I didn't like the domination flag type multiplayer. When it comes to Multiplayer i'm more interested in a Co-op /non competitive experience. Locking me out of a cool looking cooperative game mode, was the last thing i needed to make my choice.
Hopefully before release bungie changes their stance and allows for random groups to play this mode.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I see. Yeah maybe on a GAF clan that would not be so tough to make a group. However, matchmaking should be there as an option anyway to make things easier. As long as people repeat them, even failing, they learn what to do and Im sure that a random group could accomplish them.
Also, Im not sure how those Raids are, but if it is like a dungeon on a MMORPG, then thats a pretty important parcel of the game to just be ignored.