Who exactly is preventing NISA from reading their review? They released the game in this state, you seriously think it's news to them that it's broken?
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Destructoid's Disgaea PC Article is a Mess | Up: Disable beta branch, issues solved
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GrantDaNasty
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Based on some of the impressions given in this thread alone (myself included), yes?
Edit: Hey, they probably should've done more QA, or been more far-reaching with hardware configurations, but don't assume it's intentional on their part just yet.
GhostTrick
Banned
No one. But what about doing so BEFORE writing, correcting, publishing the review. The reviewer expressed his concerns earlier on Twitter.
OmegaDL50
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People have said similar things towards Disgaea 5 in that it should have been a PS3 game because it doesn't visually look taxing.
The thing with Disgaea despite it's aesthetics has some complex number crunching under the hood. Most performance issues on the console releases, such as Disgaea 4 and Disgaea D2 on the PS3, and especially the Vita ports of both Disgaea 3 and 4 with the numerous issues of slowdown was not a matter of hardware being unable to display the graphics but rather a case of the game loading so much objects on screen at once which caused said slowdowns to begin with.
While the game may be in 2D, however push enough 2D objects on screen it's memory intensive.
Of course in the case of a PC port of Disgaea however the memory related slowdowns should be the LEAST of an issue, unless the game had some sort of leak.
AcceptableGhost
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Honestly they should probably just quickly push out a patch that disables the new effects completely for the time being, they seem to be the major cause of the problems.
Yet, they couldn't put this as a sticky on the Steam Forums?
Okay, compare this, which is at 1080p:
To this, which is at that weird double-PSP resolution:
I resized both images with nearest-neighbor filtering. I'm not freaking crazy here. There is upscaling going on.
KimonoNoNo
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Possibly at a guess, a hold over from mostly delevoping on Playstations.
Gross. I didn't look closely to see if there was any upscaling on the 3D. That's a dealbreaker if true.
CertifiedFP
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Something still doesn't add up here. Going with your newer images on this subject:
(Run in two tabs to flip between)
This is beginning to be a bit of a conundrum, but I'm still erring on the side that it's not upscaling. From the default res, at the least. Note how the positioning and size of the aliasing shifts between images?
I'll dig up a screenshot real quick, but the telltale sign I've seen of upscales is that the aliasing looks the exact same in the exact same places. Give me a minute to dig up some of my Symphonia comparison shots which show that trait.
Dick Justice
Banned
Yeah, those stupid people, deciding to get a refund on a shitty product instead of just hoping that maybe it gets patched. What idiots.
I don't think it's upscaling quite form that res either, but it's clearly upscaling from something. All the edges should be completely sharp, on the pillars, the throne, everything.
Given how low end the game SHOULD be (I believe Trails in the Sky is likely a technologically more advanced game) it shouldn't really have an issue with integrated graphics if ported well.
I do hope this gets fixed up. NISA seemed to be taking it seriously enough at least with a PC physical LE, so hopefully whoever ported it will go over the issues and fix them until it's a truly PC worthy port and lay that standard down for the future with Disgaea 2-5.
CertifiedFP
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That... Might actually be it. Though what I've heard is 1590x861, which doesn't seem integer to PSP.
EDIT: Apparently that guy had his set to Wide instead of Full.
We need someone with a 4K screen to test this.
KainXVIII
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Yeah, refunding day one product i found foolish and overreacting, but this is just me.
NISA is trying really hard to break in to the PC scene. They had a TV commercial, physical PC limited edition, and advertise the shit out of it. (versus Disgaea 5's advertisement) I doubt they'll leave it be. What's worrisome though is the large amount of games being developed by nippon ichi in japan and how much reshuffling they have to do. I hope they can handle all this load. (considering yomawari, nearly textless game is taking almost a year to localize)
Maintenance
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Yeah, those foolish people that have standards. If only people could just suck up and stay with shitty ports.
If they have standards and don't buy it and never get another NIS game on pc will that stop them from complaining at every announcement?
On topic though I am guessing they didn't do enough QA on this title I wonder what their statement is going to be.
Gentleman Jack
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Testing is only going to be as good as the time given and the priority given to the discovered bugs. It's easy to blame a lack of QA but management has to give the final go to launch in the end.
This is a sloppy port. The lack of resolution options, a binary-formatted .cfg file and the gfx features that nobody asked for making the game ugly (DoF, Edge Blur, SSAO) all mar the release and make it a bad example for other developers wishing to please a PC audience.
I'm still happy enough with it not to demand a refund. About the only things I'd really rather see is proper resolution support and better mouse control over menus. This still has the potential to be the definitive Disgaea experience.
GrantDaNasty
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Honestly, the only thing that's bugging me is...I want to be able to speed up animations and message speed if possible, I played Disgaea 1 after getting into the series with 3 (which had a speed-up function), so maybe it doesn't inherently support that, but at the very least, I'd like to see a way to just have text scroll immediately.
Small issues, but for a game that could potentially take hundreds of hours of playtime, it adds up.
Gentleman Jack
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Laharl's speed through the castle is MUCH faster if you use the mouse, at least.
But yeah the QOL speedup from the sequels isn't present here. Only the animation skips from the PSP version is in. It's not really that bad considering the much shorter grind in this game compared to the later entries.
But yeah the QOL speedup from the sequels isn't present here. Only the animation skips from the PSP version is in. It's not really that bad considering the much shorter grind in this game compared to the later entries.
CertifiedFP
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...And... There it is. It's definitely less aliased than the "1080p" images, but I can tell that whatever it's rendering at is NOT 4K.
For now at least? Disgaea.
that makes me happy. bought the physical limited edition but don't plan on playing it. (I've played it on PS2 and PSP for so many hours lol) Hoping it brings the rest of the series! NIS coming for Compile Hearts/Idea Factory weave!
GrantDaNasty
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I mean, if the Koei-Tecmo stuff is any indication, initial sales will take a hit, if they haven't fixed their pipeline and made improvements since, it will end up selling less and people will have every right to be scared unless otherwise stated.
But if they take the feedback from this and a) work to resolve the issues present in Disgaea PC and b) make sure to take these things into account for future releases, things aren't quite as doom & gloom as some might see it.
Yeah, Disgaea had like 3k people at concurrent times today, which is like double what Danganronpa did. It's one of the better JRPG debuts, as far as older ports go.
GhostTrick
Banned
It's sitting at 15k on Steamspy after 2 days of tracking.
Dick Justice
Banned
Good on you for being a corporate doormat. Right on.
http://steamcommunity.com/games/405900/announcements/detail/907844117156430250 Day 2 update.
Apparently opting out of the steam beta client, if you are in, is clearing up problems for some people.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/405900/discussions/0/412448158148686380/
Apparently opting out of the steam beta client, if you are in, is clearing up problems for some people.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/405900/discussions/0/412448158148686380/
Same here! I had completely forgotten I was even on the beta client.
Now I'm getting a rock solid 60 fps with everything turned on, including v-sync.
Oh man, this is great. I really didn't wanna have to refund this one. Or sit on it until the first patch hit...
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
DIsgaea speed runner gets the true ending:
http://www.twitch.tv/pinkpajamas/v/50300026
http://www.twitch.tv/pinkpajamas/v/50300026
Ouch.
Yeah, it seems the launch would have gone so much smoother if it wasn't for this...
CertifiedFP
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Can we make a new thread for this megaton news that Disgaea's issues seem to entirely be linked to a faulty Steam beta client?
We need to get the news out there to people who kneejerked and have already moved on.
...Is my "shitty port defence" vindicated now that we have fairly solid proof none of this was on NISA?
We need to get the news out there to people who kneejerked and have already moved on.
...Is my "shitty port defence" vindicated now that we have fairly solid proof none of this was on NISA?
TheGamingBox
Banned
i wasnt part of the beta, and still had issues
Great ending 10/10 better than ME3 ending.
I think that unless someone can objectively state that the non-beta client is performing a lot better than beta client, that'd be as much a speculation as what we have right now.
Realistically someone should just make an OT anyway.
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