Goddammit well there goes my hopes of getting a port of Disgaea 5 to PC...
Why would you want one if they can't get this right?
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Why would you want one if they can't get this right?
Weirdly enough i'm just getting 27 fps with shadows turned on. 32 with Shadows turned off.
I'm on a GTX 970 + 4690k. I got V-sync off, SSAO off, all filters turned off and textures set to old. I even have a DirectInput device plugged in.
Pretty weird tbh, but I assume this will be patched fairly quickly.
Game seems selling pretty well, don't worry. The port isn't that terrible either, so far the issues seem like stuff that should be easily patched. Outside of those issues the port seems to have a lot of care with all the stuff they put in over the older versions.
I'm on a GTX 970 + 4690k. I got V-sync off, SSAO off, all filters turned off and textures set to old. I even have a DirectInput device plugged in.
Pretty weird tbh, but I assume this will be patched fairly quickly.
Goddammit well there goes my hopes of getting a port of Disgaea 5 to PC...
Game seems selling pretty well, don't worry. The port isn't that terrible either, so far the issues seem like stuff that should be easily patched. Outside of those issues the port seems to have a lot of care with all the stuff they put in over the older versions.
YianGaruga
Banned
I find it pretty weird that people are defending it so hard. Yeah it's not an absolute mess but it also shouldn't have been released in this state
We should demand better ports and not find excuses
I think NISA will fix it but you never know
We should demand better ports and not find excuses
I think NISA will fix it but you never know
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Hopefully they can patch it. I have much love for the Disgaea series, especially this one... and for the company, so I was looking forward to them having a secure future on PC.
shut up and eat your moldy bread or you wont get D2.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well this is their first real release so we'll see how they handle things pretty soon. Hopefully they're prompt for the people who do have issues.
I feel a lot of the people having problems are on NVIDIA. I have really crappy AMD graphics yet manage to run it fine.
A shame, as they seem to have put some nice work on it. I definetely have seen much worse "first"
Cladun X2
CertifiedFP
Member
Look, I was witness to RE4 (2007 port), Dark Souls, FF13 (And FF13-2), and the recent swirling shitfest that is Symphonia firsthand, I'm pretty sure I know what a bad port is. I'll agree that the implementation of the new settings is fucked, but I'll also say that if you just can't simply turn them off since they look like arse anyway that its on you to suffer the framerate issues they create.
This is nothing nearly on the level of those things I listed before. I won't crown it as this year's Valkyria/Zestiria, but this is hardly a "shit port".
GhostTrick
Banned
Elaugaufein
Member
The thing is that not everyone is having these issues. I mean it's working pretty well for me (apart from that weird Wide mode bug, the resolution being less than HD, the lack of resolution option and running a little fast in combat its fine) so I've got ~nothing to criticize it on). The seemingly completely random performance is certainly a major issue in and of itself though.
I'd really hate to have to debug this though, doesn't seem to be much in the way of rhyme or reason to what setups get problems.
I'm running a 980M without issues at the moment. I'm going to fiddle with the settings a bit now and see if I can cause myself some issues.
Just started playing here.
It's an all right port. Turning on some of the new graphical features makes the framerate goes down, but let them off gives me 60fps (Cutscenes seems to drop a little, but not below 50).
I let V-Sync turned on; seems to stay at 60, but I'll try the tutorial battle to see if it keeps like that.
Mouse controls works nice on the base, but talking with NPC's is a pain, and so is getting away from them.
Not happy with the button displays, but It doesn't seem that bad. I mean, this is Nippon Ichi; remember that time they tried to make a 3D game?
But hey, I do hope it gets patched soon.
It's an all right port. Turning on some of the new graphical features makes the framerate goes down, but let them off gives me 60fps (Cutscenes seems to drop a little, but not below 50).
I let V-Sync turned on; seems to stay at 60, but I'll try the tutorial battle to see if it keeps like that.
Mouse controls works nice on the base, but talking with NPC's is a pain, and so is getting away from them.
Not happy with the button displays, but It doesn't seem that bad. I mean, this is Nippon Ichi; remember that time they tried to make a 3D game?
But hey, I do hope it gets patched soon.
CertifiedFP
Member
I wholly disagree. This is very much the case.
Had the settings not been included, the majority of the complaints simply would not be here. The performance issues are entirely tied to the new settings.
Though perhaps instead those complaints would shift over to the more worthwhile thing to complain about: Render resolution being set to window-resolution/desktop-resolution.
Most of us who play at 4K don't have our desktops set to 4K, for obvious scaling issues. THIS is what ticks me off here, not completely avoidable performance issues.
CertifiedFP
Member
If it is upscaling, what resolution is it then? It clearly isn't 720p or below, I've done enough pixel-counting in my day to see that resolution plain as day.
From what I've seen it looks like a case of no antialiasing, not upscaling.
This is incorrect, I'm getting at best 32 fps even with all settings to off or lowest possible.
For some people (myself included), a bad port is better than no port at all.
CertifiedFP
Member
Hmm... Do you have a CPU with integrated graphics perhaps? The game may be defaulting to using that as opposed to your GPU. I know some games have had issues doing that before.
THAT I shall disagree on as well! Have you SEEN Symphonia? Playing the original in Dolphin with a Widescreen hack is an infinitely better experience than its port.
Elaugaufein
Member
Okay Depth of Field and Blur don't seem to do anything useful (they just make distance areas blurrier) and SSAO just causes random weird black lines. Setting Shadows to High works well enough. Turning off Character Filter does what you'd expect (jaggy sprites).
The settings don't seem well explained , Normal Map ON seems to give the better textures though (more 3D).
The settings don't seem well explained , Normal Map ON seems to give the better textures though (more 3D).
The settings causing performance issues is not what I was arguing against. The settings causing performance issues MAKING SENSE is.
I was arguing against you invoking people upset with the port as being some max settings chasers when one of the settings is frigging VSYNC.
The settings are bugged, flat out. The Durante post you're attempting to use to deflect from how shitty the port is, is about cutting edge settings, like complaining you can't use Supersampling at 4k on Rise of the Tomb Raider on a 970. Not Vsync or SSAO on a PS2 port.
The settings are BROKEN and BUGGED, it is not in the same category.
CertifiedFP
Member
Geo-Panel display is linked to the Tab key by default.
Has nothing to do with elitest. Has everything to do with a competent product for the majority of users for their money. I am not a bigger for scraps.
... Oh.
AndyMoogle
Member
You say that as if that's some kind of feat... This game should have 0 performance issues. It's a 13 year old game with extremely simplistic graphics.
King Tubby
Member
This game is a port of a 13 year old PS2 game.
KimonoNoNo
Member
What's been described seems like the weird launch stuff.
I'll see how it goes after a patch or two.
I'll see how it goes after a patch or two.
Maintenance
Member
Just installed it, can confirm the game is shit. 970 and i7, getting 40fps.
I had better performance in XCOM2.
XCOM2.
Refunded.
I had better performance in XCOM2.
XCOM2.
Refunded.
Well this sucks. And I dropped money on that physical collectors edition.
Elaugaufein
Member
No, they show up for me but Tab toggles Geo Panel display on/off so that may be the cause of your issue.
Forced it to run in Nvidia control panel, no dice, still the same performance. Pretty weird, and even my CPU integrated card should be able to run it fine, since some people are reporting fine performance with Intel HD 4000s
CertifiedFP
Member
Ah, I see. Refund or wait for patch then.
Port does seem to have a mind of its own for some reason.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
I posted this also in the Steam thread
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so, i tried it on my 100€ windows tablet which has like no GPU power at all (2GB RAM Baytrail tablet) and the game runs between 30 and 40 fps with all the fancy graphic effects turned off
thats pretty amazing imo!
they should have added dedicated touch controls, some stuff is not possible without a keyboard or controller, but pinch to zoom works which is strange...
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something is definitely wrong at the moment considering that the game runs on a really cheap tablet but some beefy rigs have problems with it
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so, i tried it on my 100€ windows tablet which has like no GPU power at all (2GB RAM Baytrail tablet) and the game runs between 30 and 40 fps with all the fancy graphic effects turned off
thats pretty amazing imo!
they should have added dedicated touch controls, some stuff is not possible without a keyboard or controller, but pinch to zoom works which is strange...
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something is definitely wrong at the moment considering that the game runs on a really cheap tablet but some beefy rigs have problems with it
I think it was NIS themselves
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Sure. It's more likely to be inexperience or uncertainty than it is to be contempt.
CertifiedFP
Member
so, i tried it on my 100 windows tablet which has like no GPU power at all (2GB RAM Baytrail tablet) and the game runs between 30 and 40 fps with all the fancy graphic effects turned off
thats pretty amazing imo!
they should have added dedicated touch controls, some stuff is not possible without a keyboard or controller, but pinch to zoom works which is strange...
...Uh, I regret to inform you but being in the 30-40 zone effectively puts you in the 50% game speed club. Sorry.
As for pinch-zoom... Is it windows zooming in on the screen, or have you found the zoom-in-out function the rest of us have been trying to hunt down?
Will be waiting for a patch. At least for the most part it all seem issues that should be easily fixed.
I posted this also in the Steam thread
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so, i tried it on my 100€ windows tablet which has like no GPU power at all (2GB RAM Baytrail tablet) and the game runs between 30 and 40 fps with all the fancy graphic effects turned off
thats pretty amazing imo!
they should have added dedicated touch controls, some stuff is not possible without a keyboard or controller, but pinch to zoom works which is strange...
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something is definitely wrong at the moment considering that the game runs on a really cheap tablet but some beefy rigs have problems with it
100$ windows tablet beating the crap out of a GTX 970+4690k
Kaleinc
Banned
The amusing thing is to stumble on posts like I have OC Xeon E7, 3xTitans Z no issues.
No shit.
In fact P2 should be able to run 10 instances of this game at once.
Will be waiting for a patch. At least for the most part it all seem issues that should be easily fixed.
100$ windows tablet beating the crap out of a GTX 970+4690k
We have almost the same specs (I have 4670k which is pretty much a hotter 4690k) and I have 60 fps no problems :/
This port really is weird.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
yeah, it was just a test to see if it runs at all, I wouldn't play it anyway on the tablet, I have my Vita for that
regarding the zoom, nope, it's the native in game zoom in/out function, not windows...
100$ windows tablet beating the crap out of a GTX 970+4690k
deal with it!
Sure, in that case you can emulate the game. This one too.
But we can't emulate Disgaea 5, at least for now.
Garbage. People as a whole though don't care about performance issues by in large. I am of the opinion that the original PSP release of the FFT remaster is an unplayable mess due to slowdown on abilities and magic yet that version of the game received unanimous praise. I played through the PS1 version more times than I can count yet couldn't get through the first act of the PSP version due to slowdown.
The mess that appears to be the Disgaea port is in all likelihood perfectly fine for a large segment of people. I just hope given the niche nature of the game that the people buying the game will be more vocal so shit like this stops happening as it is unacceptable.
The mess that appears to be the Disgaea port is in all likelihood perfectly fine for a large segment of people. I just hope given the niche nature of the game that the people buying the game will be more vocal so shit like this stops happening as it is unacceptable.
Nobody is excusing it. The port is bad. But can it be improved? Yeah. It's not a Tales of Symphonia level port like Destructoid is claiming. The major problem right now is performance issues. If they can fix that, the rest of it can possibly follow.
TheGamingBox
Banned
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what operating system are you people running, maybe that can be a cause of the problem
running windows 10 with major issues with the game
what operating system are you people running, maybe that can be a cause of the problem
running windows 10 with major issues with the game
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
W10, i5-4690K, HD7870... everything fine besides some really short random framedrops/slowdowns from time to time
Windows 7
Maintenance
Member
W7, issues too. Already refunded.
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