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Developer from Precursor Games (Shadows of the Eternals) arrested for child porn

.la1n

Member
Don't know how to respond to this, it's disgusting and unfortunate for the team if true. Don't see much positivity arising from this for the group as a whole even though I know the others on the team are not to blame.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Whether he's found guilty or not, this only further buries Shadow of the Eternals' chances of ever getting funded or coming out

I really wanted it to happen...
 

Vamphuntr

Member
Isn't that the guy that co-wrote the first game? That's really gross if the charges end up being true (I doubt the police investigation can easily get mislead in that kind of case).

This franchise is now cursed isn't it.
 

Rubius

Member
BTW, just for reference. Loli porn is considered as Child porn in Canada and some people got arrested for stuff like Rapelay or Loli hentai books.
I dont suppose its the case here, but still just wanted to show that Canada really dont fuck with Child porn and child abuse. We are pretty loose with everything except that.
 

Gestahl

Member
I don't have a snarky comment for this one. If he's guilty, I hope he is prosecuted......?

edit:

Is wishing for someone to be raped really the environment we want to promote here?

Even the thread about that one dude who was being a huge asshole about nailing some guy's daughter got several posts worth of "prison rape lol" so apparently it's the hip and cool thing to post these days
 

Amir0x

Banned
Even the thread about that one dude who was being a huge asshole about nailing some guy's daughter got several posts worth of "prison rape lol" so apparently it's the hip and cool thing to post these days

It's not cool; it's severely frowned upon on NeoGAF and mods ban for it whenever they see it all the time
 

AppleMIX

Member
BTW, just for reference. Loli porn is considered as Child porn in Canada and some people got arrested for stuff like Rapelay or Loli hentai books.
I dont suppose its the case here, but still just wanted to show that Canada really dont fuck with Child porn and child abuse. We are pretty loose with everything except that.

That is insane.

If he is guilty, let him get the hammer.

Poor Dyack.
 
Wow ... I hope this is not true; but if so the Precursor brand is most definitely now finished for the time being, along with Shadow of the Eternals unless they can bootstrap it.
 

Rubius

Member
Wow, despicable. Glad I didn't do my part in offering hope for this franchise. It was a fluke, moving on...

Its one guy in a company of 50 people. I dont think that killing a franchise because a guy who worked on it MIGHT be attracted to kids is okay. Remove him, sure, but kill the franchise?
If we did that with every company, there would be no companies out there.
The Eternal Darkness franchise do not deserve to die because of that.
 

JayDub

Member
Interesting that he got caught at all. He's a developer, assuming he's at least proficient at hiding his tracks? I mean, people who get caught are the people who turn in their PCs to Geek Squad or something, right?
 

Portugeezer

Member
will they add his bail as a stretch goal?

tom-cruise-sunglasses.gif


yep, that was so bad it was good

Interesting that he got caught at all. He's a developer, assuming he's at least proficient at hiding his tracks? I mean, people who get caught are the people who turn in their PCs to Geek Squad or something, right?

I'm guessing the police track certain websites, or that people flagged by ISP if you go on certain websites. The kind of people you're talking about probably use google search.
 
Considering that it's only one count, I wouldn't be too surprised if it did turn out to be lolicon. Specifically, a torrent. Still, GG Precursor Games, this is the sort of thing that sinks companies of that size.
 

Rubius

Member
Interesting that he got caught at all. He's a developer, assuming he's at least proficient at hiding his tracks? I mean, people who get caught are the people who turn in their PCs to Geek Squad or something, right?

Canada have a squad of anti child crime who go and track pedophile exchange groups. They even got a pretty famous actor for Child/Teenagers in Quebec famous on the Vrak tv channel who was exchanging with an american. When the show heard about it, they removed ALL the episode of the show with him in it, and we never heard of his character again and that was when he got arrested. Kinda sad, I will never find the first four season of that show again.
So yeah, they do track people online who do that kind of stuff, and if you do it often, you will get caught unless you are behind like 17 proxy.
 

L Thammy

Member
I always find it horrible how people leap to the conclusion that the accused is guilty. When I was called for juror duty for a similar case (didn't get picked), some of the other prospective jurors were talking about how they figure the guy was guilty. The jurors hadn't been picked yet, the evidence hadn't come out, and they had already decided.

Obviously, it's a horrible thing if true, though.

Regardless of how this goes, I don't think Shadows of the Eternals is happening.
 

4lejandro

Member
What are the chances that by using your pc as a proxy server or something like that, you end up with something like this (child porn and stuff that went through your server unbeknownst to you)?

Sounds to me like a "sprinkle some crack on him" cyber-solution (not saying it's the case on this one).
 

Rubius

Member
I always find it horrible how people leap to the conclusion that the accused is guilty. When I was called for juror duty for a similar case (didn't get picked), some of the other prospective jurors were talking about how they figure the guy was guilty. The jurors hadn't been picked yet, the evidence hadn't come out, and they had already decided.

Not sure if true, but doesnt the USA have "Guilty until proven innocent" while Canada have "Innocent until proven guilty"? Might be why if its true.

EDIT: Seems its not the case "Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States and In re Winship.". That radio host didnt know what she was talking about then.
 
Not sure if true, but doesnt the USA have "Guilty until proven innocent" while Canada have "Innocent until proven guilty"? Might be why if its true.

Well, we're talking about public opinion here and it's almost always "Guilty until prove innocent" when dealing with really disgusting crimes. That's just how things work. Just look at the Aaron Hernandez situation. We don't know the full details but the public have already come to a conclusion on whether he's guilty or innocent.
 

L Thammy

Member
Not sure if true, but doesnt the USA have "Guilty until proven innocent" while Canada have "Innocent until proven guilty"? Might be why if its true.

I'm in Ontario. It's innocent until proven guilty either way. But people often don't care about evidence as long as an accusation is made. Ever hear people talking about celebrity court cases? It's always the same thing.

:EDIT: Maybe it should also be noted. for criminal cases you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

Vibranium

Banned
I have to feel bad for Dyack to be honest, so what if he is still salty about being banned from GAF, this is just terrible for his team even if this guy is innocent until proven guilty. I can't imagine what it feels like to have someone you trusted working with you commit such horrible and unforgivable acts.

Precursor's going to have to ramp up a friendly PR campaign to put this behind them.
 

Rubius

Member
Well, we're talking about public opinion here and it's almost always "Guilty until prove innocent" when dealing with really disgusting crimes.

Yeah, I heard a radio host saying that the legal system in the USA worked on Guilty until proven innocent. I took it for granted. But yeah, for the public, its always Guilty until proven innocent, for anything really.
Arrested for theft you didnt commit? Everybody will look at you like you did, and they wont leave stuff around.
EDIT: In fact, even if you are proven innocent, you will be seen as guilty for everybody. That's why there is so few male teacher in Highschool in Primary school. One girl make one accusation, even if proven false, and the guy lose his job.
 
Not sure if true, but doesnt the USA have "Guilty until proven innocent" while Canada have "Innocent until proven guilty"? Might be why if its true.

EDIT: Seems its not the case "Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States and In re Winship.". That radio host didnt know what she was talking about then.

The US has "innocent until proven guilty" and actually was the first country to pioneer the idea. Now, the jury? Lolno.
 
one count... that's curious. not that one count shouldn't be illegal and justification for arrest, but when does someone who looks at child porn only ever have one instance of child porn on their PC?

I mean, presuming he hadn't tried to delete what he had and failed to get everything.

that it's only one count makes me really want to hear more details before I start forming my opinion on anything.

and no, I have no interest in the game.
 

Odrion

Banned
one count... that's curious. not that one count shouldn't be illegal or something you arrest on, but when does someone who looks at child porn only ever have one instance of child porn on their PC?

I mean, presuming he hadn't tried to delete what he had and failed to get everything.

that it's only one count makes me really want to hear more details before I start forming my opinion on anything.

and no, I have no interest in the game.
All it takes is one wrong torrent.

Edit: So Loli is considered illegal in Canada AND New Zealand? Man, America needs to adopt this asap.
 
R

Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
Can't you wait until he's actually convicted before making such statements?

I know that America is different than Canada, but here in Canada we are innocent until proven guilty. I mean sure the chance of it being not him are slim like hell, but still, wishing rape on somebody for a crime he MIGHT have committed? Not cool in my book..

So if he was convicted, then it'd be ok to wish he'd be raped in prison?

And as far as the supposed crime go, he did not make child pornography, he distributed it. Which is in my book less heavy of a crime.
but isn't the distribution and consumption of child pornagraphy a large part of what causes it to be produced?

Hope he's innocent. But apparently he's been disowned from Precursor regardless. Ridiculous if you ask me, someone shouldn't be fired unless they're found guilty of the crimes they're being accused of.

The accusation is enough. Most people who don't posses and distribute child pornography, don't get accused of possessing and distributing child pornography. It's not like theft or murder, where there's an obvious crime that needs a suspect, and pressure to find and convict one.

and any company would be stupid to stick by an employee against those charges based on the social stigma attached to it alone. There's nothing more abhorrent in the eyes of modern society than being a child sex predator. Short of slavery and eating people maybe. It'd be suicide in the eyes of the public to be involved in a case like that in any way at all, which is why they cut ties immediately with him. (and judging from the topic title, that's probably not enough)
 
Yeah, I heard a radio host saying that the legal system in the USA worked on Guilty until proven innocent. I took it for granted. But yeah, for the public, its always Guilty until proven innocent, for anything really.
Arrested for theft you didnt commit? Everybody will look at you like you did, and they wont leave stuff around.
EDIT: In fact, even if you are proven innocent, you will be seen as guilty for everybody. That's why there is so few male teacher in Highschool in Primary school. One girl make one accusation, even if proven false, and the guy lose his job.

My guess is that the radio host was just referring to public opinion. The US legal system still works from an innocent until proven guilty stance. That much is shown with cases like OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony. The public largely believed that they were guilty, but the jury found them not guilty. Of course that didn't change the public opinion on either of them. As you said, that's something you'll never shake. Especially if you're a public figure.
 
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