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DF on Zelda Switch: Docked has major frame drops, portable doesn't (no score talk)
- Thread starter Theorry
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They aren't usually in a position where there are frame drops to address.
Considering that there's DLC coming I imagine they will have stability patches.
BotW is "designed around" a variable framerate. Hence it is perfect. Checkmate.
Monkeyball
Banned
I notice the framedrops, but for some reason they don't bother me that much. The game doesn't feel choppy.
iamaustrian
Member
we will see. sometimes they don't give a fuck at all
and sometimes they go completely batshit insane.
just remember when they, in all seriousness, updated/patched the perfectly running Wii VC Starfox 64 rom to actually regain the original slowdown/framerate drops of the original N64 game.
lol
RoadHazard
Gold Member
20fps was acceptable back then. Is it hard to go back to now? Sure, but you (well, I) get used to it after some time. Frequent severe drops you never get used to.
It wasn't, but people played those games in spite of it.
Tell that to every big AAA game. GTA3? GTA4? GTAV? RDR? AC? AC2? AC8? And TES game? Fallout? Big open world games which sell really well must have poor framerate. It makes then immersive and appealing. Nintendo researched this well. If you try to have good performance like MGSV, you get fired.
Considering that bandwidth isn't an issue at 720p and that the gpu docked is 2.5x faster, it's probably closer to reality that "no way in hell it wouldn't run at 60fps in 720p". The only thing that could potentially cause issues is physics, technically the Switch CPU is more than twice as capable as Wii U's in most scenarios, but who knows.
No lol
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Horizon is a solid 30fps. if you dont understand how much better than 20fps that is I don't know what to say to you.Guess everyone who worked on Horizon will get sacked as well.
He was being sarcastic.
He meant Horizon was a looker, open world, AAA, and had steady FPS.
This.
Switch isn't a 4tflops console, Horizon isn't GG's first game on that kind of hardware, it wasn't ported from a different architecture and it certainly wasn't rushed to be the only system seller at launch.
Edit: nvm, missed the context
RoadHazard
Gold Member
OoT could not exist in 30fps dog.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Seriously? Please try to be aware of the context of a post (i.e. read what I was replying to) before commenting on it.
that don't align with the bullshit you been saying in this thread
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Lol, what?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Imo despite what Nintendo might have said, Switch for me sways way more to the handheld side than the console side. I personally think handheld is a much better designation for Switch than a console.
Jerry
Member
I'm gonna need a source on that.
Depending on your TV the image quality will vary from "ugly-as-sin" to "ugly". Shimmering included.
I'm a IQ/FPS whore, but I just had to tell myself not to notice this stuff when playing the game. I actually manage fine with the graphics, but it's hard to ignore the drops to 20 fps.
My fault since I should have worded it better. By subpar I meant regular frame rate drops of 10 frames per second when you only have 30 to work with in the first place. Ocarina/Majora's didn't have it that severe in comparison.
OOT, MM targets 20fps and hits their target almost all the time. BoTW targets 30 and misses a lot.
Huh, am I the only one to notice that it sometimes goes below native 720p on the Switch screen? Not by a huge amount or anything and not very often, but it's definitely not 1:1 at times. To compensate for the frame drops that would otherwise happen in docked mode, I would imagine.
Thought DF would of caught that!
Thought DF would of caught that!
Terbinator
Member
I don't know how far in DF played but there is repeatable drops in mobile mode for me in Kakariko village.
Crazy.
plagiarize
Banned
I can't get used to a game running consistently at 20fps. I had to wait for the 3DS Ocarina before I could enjoy it. I notice the drops in Breath of the Wild, and hope they can get fixed, but mostly they seem to happen outside of input sensitive gameplay.
The main reason I prefer playing docked is actually the surround sound. If not for that, I'd probably got portable to get the more stable 30 fps.
It's definitely a blemish on an awesome game, and I hope it gets fixed, but I'm not going to count on a fix.
Portable definitely drops in areas too. They're a lot more uncommon though.
Nah GG are safe since it runs at 30 instead of 60. Not good enough to get fired.
Wii U clearly has issues when it has to handle a lot of data, like huge scenery and towns. So that limitation shows.
While Switch rather hits the RAM bandwidth limitation than the RAM capacity.
Just got to Zora's Domain, and I'm experiencing drops there even on handheld. The problem with analyses like this is that obviously they can only cover so much of the game and we can't expect them to put 30 hours into a game to see how some of the later game regions perform, and it makes sense for some more complex ares to perform worse.
Polygonal_Sprite
Member
It's also on hardware 5-8x (10-16x if we're talking Pro) more powerful than a docked Switch.
Having played the Switch version of BotW for about 20 hours and been into over half the areas I would say it's the long grass in sunshine that causes the most drops. I had previously thought it was the foliage in general but found a part last night where the only thing was long grass in sunny weather and the framerate was hard dropping to 20fps all the time. It's a memory bandwidth issue imo, it simply can't handle the grass at 900p.
Outside of the Great Plateau the game is 30fps 90-95% of the time in my experience so it's not a big deal to me but it would be good if they offered a 720p option for docked or further optimised docked mode.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Tons have some bullshit perfomance. But the more I play the more I wonder how the fuck the plataeu passed QA as that is one of thee worst parts outside towns.
Alebrije
Member
Does Zelda runs at 900p docked because is a port from WiiU ? Are we going to see 1080p /60fps (dock) games in the future once they are developed enterely for Switch, I mean games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Skyrim?
Or what is the best we can expect from Switch as a home console?
Or what is the best we can expect from Switch as a home console?
Leatherface
Member
The worst frame rate drops for me so far have occurred in an area leading to the first temple/dungeon. It was constantly raining throughout the whole zone, on top of that I had to fight my way through enemies to get to point B and there were constant electricity effects. It was far worse than the great plateau. If this game wasn't so fucking awesome it would actually piss me off to tell you the truth.
REALLY hoping Nintendo patches a fix to this. The system should be able to run this smoothly.
REALLY hoping Nintendo patches a fix to this. The system should be able to run this smoothly.
Inferno313
Banned
It's gonna depend on the game. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is 720/60 in handheld and 1080/60 docked, an upgrade from the 720/60 it is on WiiU.
Splatoon 2, at least the demo that's been shown, is 720p/60 docked or handheld.
Polygonal_Sprite
Member
Why not? When docked the Switch CPU is at least twice as fast as the Wii U CPU. Switch also has over 3x the ram for games (which is twice as fast) and the GPU is 2.25x the Wii U GPU.
We also don't know what kind of memory bandwidth solution Nintendo has added to Switch (if any) and when developers of certain games got access to the latest dev kits and if optimisation time was left before launch to implement the improvements.
Games like Fast Racing and MK8 Deluxe have no issue running the Wii U originals at over twice the resolution while still hitting 60fps which suggests that they have some solution to it (if it's a real issue).
It depends on the reasons BotW is struggling to hit 30fps at 900p. Launch games are never a good indication of a systems power, especially ports from other systems (see tons of terrible running PS4 remasters).
molnizzle
Member
They've never done "expansion passes" either, but that's happening with BotW.
The fact that they're developing DLC for it gives me hope that they'll continue to optimize performance.
Leatherface
Member
They released a performance patch for Splatoon a few months after it came out to fix the framerate in the main hub area. I remember this clearly because it was a stuttery mess at first and then it was at least smooth.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Do we really need location spoilers in a performance thread?! I mean, sure, I expected something like that to be in the game from the trailers, but still. Come on. Think.
Lights and Waves
Member
Totally forgot about that! This gives me hope.
I'm pretty sure other games have also featured "performance improvements" in patch notes.
ss_lemonade
Member
Probably depends, but I don't see why we wouldn't get 1080p60 games. Fast RMX is one already available that's 1080p 60fps and it looks pretty good.