vpance
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That girl with the hand on her hip must've been waiting for the copy machine to finish.
I understand its a disappointment BUT the gameplay on the E3 floor had one car on the track, the final game has 16. In order to keep 1080p at 60 they clearly had to scale down some stuff.
Let me ask everyone, would it have been worse if they kept the E3 graphics at say 900p or 720p ? I feel there was no win/win for turn10 in this scenario.
Don't see why 2D crowds are such a big deal. You won't see them while racing.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-now-forza-motorsport-5
Links to the videos can be found in the article on the left site hosted on Mega with torrent mirrors.
Direct link to the performance analysis video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFGMX0RWzwM#t=53
...or y'know in any of the replay modes or anything. Definitely a non-issue.
lighting looks a lot more natural, although that's not necessarily an upgrade, rather a design choice.
A lot of those 3d buildings you'd see from the top of the hill in the distance are gone, as is the fog.
Overall, very pleased with the way the game looks and runs. AF also looks a lot better than it did in YT videos.
DAT 3D CROWD, though.
wait...
i thought i saw..
isn't that...
OMG COUNTLESS GREENAWALTS IN THE CROWD !
lol, is that one of the Pitfighter dudes in the front?
All the reviews praise Forza's graphics yet you have people still trying to say it doesn't look that impressive. Keep those blinders on
A review is an opinion. Every reviewer in the world could say it's the best graphics ever, but it's still just an opinion. Other people may not share it, hence, some people think this looks awful, OK, good, great, or whatever they want to think.All the reviews praise Forza's graphics
Please let this become a thing lol
I'd like to submit my version.
Out of curiosity, why are you only cherry picking the things that have been improved, and ignoring all the countless examples of things being downgraded? The original comparison in the E3 downgrade thread wasn't of specific examples, but each different segment of the track. It was a fair comparison. It was also comparing YT to YT, not HQ to YT. Also, you realise people are watching these videos back to back and noticing the difference first hand without even picking at individual segments?
If you watch one video after the other, without even going in to specifics the graphical downgrade is immediately obvious. It looks very different in terms of overall visual fidelity, lighting, AO, cleanliness, IQ, post processing etc.
I have to commend your efforts to downplay the differences, but most people viewing both videos back to back are immediately noticing the downgrade.
hahaha
if there is one thing that makes time pass joyfully, its the console warriors fight to resist!!
why bother with the haters for anything else than laughs people?
isnt these the same people that found downgrades in ryse too? ;D
funny thing though, I thought that this game is a driving simulator, and what are its features worth pimping is VERY accurate tire data in extreme conditions, a new advanced physics calculation system, some laser scanned tracks that where most wanted for years,
and todays news should be that DF verified that its a rock solid 1080p 60hz synced and locked game....
yet
everything in discussion revolves around the least important details ever.
OMG the shadow of the third window on the left in the second building on the right, has different shadow!! game ruined total!!
so, please TEAM RESISTANCE, go on
the rest of you, lay back and enjoy
Looks like a YT to HQ comparison? I'm a wrong?
Out of curiosity, why are you only cherry picking the things that have been improved, and ignoring all the countless examples of things being downgraded?
Looks like a YT to HQ comparison? I'm a wrong?
Out of curiosity, why are you only cherry picking the things that have been improved, and ignoring all the countless examples of things being downgraded? The original comparison in the E3 downgrade thread wasn't of specific examples, but each different segment of the track. It was a fair comparison. Also, you realise people are watching these videos back to back and noticing the difference first hand without even picking at individual segments?
If you watch one video after the other, without even going in to specifics the graphical downgrade is immediately obvious. It looks very different in terms of overall visual fidelity, lighting, AO, cleanliness, IQ, post processing etc.
I have to commend your efforts to downplay the differences, but most people viewing both videos back to back are immediately noticing the downgrade.
I see one or two cases that I'd absolutely agree are toned down geometry, but I don't think it's unfair to say the majority of these changes represent improvements to art and geometry.
a) you callin someone for cherry-picking.. its an insultOut of curiosity, why are you only cherry picking the things that have been improved
You know, the game receiving final art passes and the whole sale reducing of geometry to god damn textures are completely unequivocal.
I have played the game in person, and I can tell you that beyond the player car... everything in this game looks painfully average to not too good.
Enjoy your self convinced reality.
I'm highlighting examples that show specific moments on the track where there's dramatic change. I've noted and commented elsewhere (including a conversation with you, btw) where the changes aren't as flattering. We've had high quality images to corroborate that as well. My words in response to you were
If you think the segments I've made gifs of are inaccurate comparisons, please explain how that's so. Considering you've responded in the past saying adding geometry and elements like the bridge isn't important for the conversation, I think "efforts to downplay" evidence may fall slightly more on your side. I'm submitting examples without commentary, and that seems to disturb you.
Somebody photoshop GT's Translator-San, please.
It doesn't disturb me, but it does seem a tad disingenuous. Throw a bunch of captures from different segments of the track and let people decide for themselves, instead of cherry picking only sections (cropped out) of improvements only. And comparing HQ video against a 720p YouTube capture at that. The way you're doing it is as if you're trying to push a narrative that the notion of a downgrade is wrong, and that there are just as many upgrades etc. You do not need to add commentary, your GIF's are doing that by themselves.
But yea, overall, just view the videos back to back, or check out this post here, which I think is pretty fair as it covers a large range of the track, not just one or two points, and compares like for like video quality (or close enough).
Forza 5 | Direct Feed YT E3 gameplay vs Direct Feed YT Final build gameplay comparison
I do think it's wrong that the visuals have been downgraded as much as they have. Really graphics should only be improved before release, as is usually the case with optimisations and polishing, especially when the've stated as much through the PR channels. Having it the other way round is slightly disingenuous and a mis-selling of the product.
too good.
Please let this become a thing lol
too good.
ITT: People moaning about a crowd they're going to be driving past at 150MPH.
I think the problem is, is that we had them all running around claiming that everything is running real-time on Xbox One and almost final boxes and in addition the console has also had spec bumps since E3.
You would expect downgrades as it gets nearer to release if they're running on beefed up dev kits that are not 100% representative of retail units, but this, they claim, isn't the case here.
Game looks absolutely incredible and is a solid 60fps and 1080p, not only that it's getting amazing reviews on its gameplay.
I cannot believe the complaints in this thread.
someone already has made it
Out of curiosity, why are you only cherry picking the things that have been improved, and ignoring all the countless examples of things being downgraded?
I actually like the lighting on the reveal trailer better. Looks more like real life to me.All your comparisons so far involve things that look like obvious placeholders and unfinished bits of the tracks. They're almost completely different building, not improved version of the same ones.
Now, if you look at this:
vs
the differences in terms of IQ (especially aliasing), DOF, lighting, and things like tress or crowd is massive. The final footage is nowhere near the original reveal.