seventynine
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It put me off Halo 3 and pre patched NFS: Rivals wasn't much fun either.
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Digital Foundry: Hands on with the Destiny PS4 beta
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mambadragon
Banned
I'm a primarily pc gamer playing it on PS3, and frankly it's not that bad. The game plays great.
7DollarHagane
Banned
A field of view slider would be appreciated too. It feels even tighter than halo was.
I feel exactly the opposite, the alpha performed better as far as my analisis goes lol.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Yes. It has been my primary complaint of the game.
Pingoreous
Member
It feels like the Judder is worse in the BETA. I can see ghosting in LCDs and rainbows in projectors if they are not running at multiples of 24hz( 48hz, 72Hz etc). My eyes get watery with the judder and it limits my playing time. Hope they fix it.
RandyBobandy
Banned
Why is it 30fps anyway? It doesn't look like the most graphic intensive game.
Yeah, I get that the Halo games they worked on were 30fps, but geez, that was 4+ years ago on worse hardware.
Yeah, I get that the Halo games they worked on were 30fps, but geez, that was 4+ years ago on worse hardware.
Someone took measurements and it's about the same as Halo 3.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
I actually felt the judder at the very beginning and in some weird cases.
And I didn't feel this in the alpha
And I didn't feel this in the alpha
This. I feel there are more aliasing than in the Alpha. It's annoying.
I don't bitch about frame rates, bug I've noticed it too. The game seems relatively framey. It could be because I prefer the auto rifles. I only played it an hour or so yesterday, through the first two stories and dicking around the tower.
The game also shimmers just as much as before, with aliasing still present. It's never wowed me visually before I got to play it, and it still hasn't. It's fun though, so I'm satisfied. PEACE.
The game also shimmers just as much as before, with aliasing still present. It's never wowed me visually before I got to play it, and it still hasn't. It's fun though, so I'm satisfied. PEACE.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
A Bungie dev acknowledged the bug in this thread on the first page and stated it may even fixed by the end of the beta.
Oh just saw urk's post. Great news! The judder is so noticeable that it will definitely be a big difference when it's fixed.
Also kind of surprised that people are seeing so much aliasing. I think the image quality is pretty great (other than the sides that have the blur and chromatic abbaration, both intentional). There's SOME aliasing but it really doesn't seem that bad. That being said, I definitely wouldn't mind something like Infamous' SMAA T2x!
Also kind of surprised that people are seeing so much aliasing. I think the image quality is pretty great (other than the sides that have the blur and chromatic abbaration, both intentional). There's SOME aliasing but it really doesn't seem that bad. That being said, I definitely wouldn't mind something like Infamous' SMAA T2x!
Dalibor_San
Member
I knew I wasn't crazy, I definitely noticed slowdowns here and there in the BETA, I now know it wasn't that it was judder.
I really thought my PS4 was on the fritz, I hope it is fixed as I definitely noticed it, while rare...it was still annoying when it happened.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
There are judders here and there but it's more than smooth and playable nearly all the time on PS4. This is an unfinished game yet too. And what kind of AA are they using? Feels like FXAA as it makes the IQ look like sub 1080p.
Hey Guys, i made another comparison from the E3 Gameplay reveal Trailer (2013) and the PS4 Beta (2014).
Bungie changed a lot of the textures/objects/environment/lighting/particles...
But see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJpa2yWGhg
Bungie changed a lot of the textures/objects/environment/lighting/particles...
But see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJpa2yWGhg
Zombie James
Banned
Hey Guys, i made another comparison from the E3 Gameplay reveal Trailer (2013) and the PS4 Beta (2014).
Bungie changed a lot of the textures/objects/environment/lighting/particles...
But see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJpa2yWGhg
Yeah, I got the impression that the interior lighting section at the beginning wasn't as impressive as the initial reveal :/
Fried Food
Banned
yeah the judder is very apparent to me since I use a gsync(DIY kit) monitor for pc games.
rokkerkory
Member
Yeah looks like some downgrades :/
Bornstellar
Member
Did they ever give a definitive answer on a PC version?
Bornstellar
Member
Grass density and environmental geometry took a pretty big hit, and some post-processing looks to be missing.
shinobi602
Member
The difference in grass could be for the artistic direction they want. They looked to have removed some of the grass and some trees to make it more sparse and desolate while adding snow and much more wind gusts/dust for the mood. I doubt it's because of performance reasons. Believe it or not from developers I talk to, not every supposed "downgrade" is a downgrade, it really does come down to a different art/atmospheric direction they wanted to take.
That might sound like a cop out but a lot of the time that really is the case.
Bornstellar
Member
It also happens to come with a massive performance boost.
And environment complexity being reduced is definitely not due to a change in atmosphere - it's performance optimization at a visual cost.shinobi602
Member
Ehh, I watched the video but I can't remember, what else was removed besides some trees? You could very much make the case "I don't want all this grass and these trees here, it doesn't look like a barren wasteland that I have in mind" or something.It also happens to come with a massive performance boost.
Bornstellar
Member
Check out the broken area of the wall above the entrance - there's a lot more detail in the reveal than in the beta.
Another notable area is where the Ghost goes to turn on the lights - almost all the complex rafter work from the original reveal has been removed.
whateverblah
Neo Member
Definitely haven't noticed any issues. Though I haven't been look for it either.
Check out the broken area of the wall above the entrance - there's a lot more detail in the reveal than in the beta.
Another notable area is where the Ghost goes to turn on the lights - almost all the complex rafter work from the original reveal has been removed.
Why does the reveal say beta build?
Nightengale
Member
To be fair, it's quite obvious that the E3 trailer was a slice of the game that they never managed to fully achieve in its entirety.
The visual function of Guardians dropping into the world from your ship in real-time, and what was initially implied to be the ability to drop wherever you wanted seems to not be in the final game. And maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like some animation didn't look as nice.
The visual function of Guardians dropping into the world from your ship in real-time, and what was initially implied to be the ability to drop wherever you wanted seems to not be in the final game. And maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like some animation didn't look as nice.
Bornstellar
Member
It's the other way around. The caption doesn't give the right order of those images. Watch the video though, it does a much better job at showing the differences.
There's also grass physics - I don't remember that being in the alpha. Can someone say if it's in the beta?
EDIT: Watching again, another obvious thing is the antialiasing in the reveal is much, much better. Shader complexity (check out the environment / gun materials) also seem to have taken a hit. Wonder what kind of specs they were running the reveal on?
Backfoggen
Banned
Hey Guys, i made another comparison from the E3 Gameplay reveal Trailer (2013) and the PS4 Beta (2014).
Bungie changed a lot of the textures/objects/environment/lighting/particles...
But see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJpa2yWGhg
The downgrade in the outside section with the cars is really noticeable. Disappointing at 30 fps.
lifeexpectancy
Member
What I learned today: I must now incorporate the term "judder" in any technical discussion of gaming.
Seriously though, I don't think it's super noticeable. It's there, but it's not so frequent as to ruin the game for me. But since I'm going XB1 for the latter half of the Beta and the full game at launch (because I want them achievements), I sure hope it isn't any 'worse' over there.
Seriously though, I don't think it's super noticeable. It's there, but it's not so frequent as to ruin the game for me. But since I'm going XB1 for the latter half of the Beta and the full game at launch (because I want them achievements), I sure hope it isn't any 'worse' over there.
Backfoggen
Banned
It's not out till next week.
GodParticle
Member
I knew the framerate(is that the same thing as judder?) was off after only a few minutes of play. Seemed better than the alpha, but maybe was just my imagination. Glad to see it's going to be addressed
Wait a few days until it gets out.
I only need a beta Key for the Xbox One version.
I'm sorry about the mixed up Thumbnail. (it was late...)
Here is the fixed version. (already uploaded to youtube.)
Thanks for the info!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJpa2yWGhg
Wait a few days until it gets out.
I only need a beta Key for the Xbox One version.
I'm sorry about the mixed up Thumbnail. (it was late...)
Here is the fixed version. (already uploaded to youtube.)
Thanks for the info!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJpa2yWGhg
Can you upload a higher quality one to gamersyde(or anywhere else)?
Wickerbasket
Member
I noticed the judder once or twice when playing, but I only seemed to notice it when nothing was going on.
Hopefully they get it fixed before it releases.
Hopefully they get it fixed before it releases.
Already uploaded: http://www.gamersyde.com/thqstream_...beta_2014_vs_e3_2013-7T67I4WNoCdQ5Uy1_en.html
Have fun!
Miles Quaritch
Member
While the visuals do look somewhat different, it's still a very visually impressive game.
I'm sure Bungie had their reasons to change some aspects and I'm sure it was done solely to make sure the frame-rate remains as stable as possible. They aren't there yet (the judder during the opening cut scene on Old Russia is pretty noticeable), but I'm sure they'll manage it in the final product.
I'm sure Bungie had their reasons to change some aspects and I'm sure it was done solely to make sure the frame-rate remains as stable as possible. They aren't there yet (the judder during the opening cut scene on Old Russia is pretty noticeable), but I'm sure they'll manage it in the final product.