It will be. As you should be aware, MS were slightly too early to take advantage of Ryzen-based APUs, which will be far more powerful and efficient compared to the Jaguar-based design inside X and Pro.
If Xbox One had a credible CPU upgrade it would be next gen.
MS were slightly too early to take advantage of Ryzen-based APUs, which will be far more powerful and efficient compared to the Jaguar-based design inside X and Pro.
So why are you here then?
Next gen will probably take a while.
I'd like to point somethings out which weren't taken into consideration by this article.
- XBox One controller costed 100m for R&D (same controller used for 1S/X, so no additional cost there)
- PS4 used a second in line CPU of AMD's performance APU (1.6Ghz without any OC), PS4P/X use the best available which is clocked at 2.0Ghz
- PS4Pro OC'd that CPU to 2.1Ghz and 2.3Ghz respectively for X, that's all the customization X did to it and nothing else (I believe, but wait for DF to prove this)
- A BD drive costs approximately $18 a UHD drive costs approximately $33
[*]The $30 for 4GB of GDDR5 is a new find and I finally got an answer to a question I've been dying to know- I'm using a GTX 980M GPU in my laptop, notice only the xx80 cards use vapor chamber, they didn't need it I think but it severed their purpose with cramping it all into the smallest box possible as there's no wasted space on the PCB
- Research & Development costs are down compared to the original Xbox, beside Nintendo which seems to go up since they do their own thing with all sorts of architectures
- RX480 (5.8TF) was launched in 2016? and at $329 - $399
- Vega Eclipse 10.7TF (launches next month) according to it's clock speed, compute units and stream processors per CU and is a mid-tier card (Vega Nova is the high-end version) that is supposedly to be priced at $399
- If Microsoft switched to a 7200RPM drive and passed that on as 40% boost/innovation that's really laughable (it's great but the PR around it is silly)
- Microsoft is making money on X, they aren't selling it at a loss, the big money maker comes from games and services
- $500 ain't bad for a PS5P if launched simultaneously with PS5, for the rest you guys can figure out how much TF/price it might have/be and what's not.
I probably left out more stuff as I haven't slept yet since yesterday...
Everyday I'm researching PS5, components, costs, progress, Fab nodes and everything related to it as it interests me a lot.
$399 / £349 is the sweet spot, so they would be crazy to push for something much higher when next gen arrives.
PS5 in 2019 / 2020 will give Sony time to make something more powerful but cheaper than the Xbox One X, as component prices come down.
PS5 - 3.0GHz Custom Ryzen CPU, 8 - 10 Tflop GPU, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.
Not a massive leap forward but big enough to make a difference, handle 4k gaming well and keep cost down.
I think Theorry is right, that read like a "why bother discussing now"I thought his comment was interesting. Calm down.
Isn't that who this Box is targeted at?
Xb1S will continue to see price drops.
I don't think xb1x was ever intended to 'save the brand'. That job is left up to MS' expansion into other platforms, and services focused models.
Nah that would be 3/4 year old tech by 2020.
PS5 should be:
- CPU - Some sort of Ryzen 2.0 or Threadryper 2.0
- GPU - Dedicated GPU @ 7nm with 16-20TF FP32.
- RAM - 32Gb GDDR6 or HBM2
- HDD - 4Tb 7200RPM HDD (Would prefer an SDD but I just don't see it. Possibly a Hybrid drive)
All for a price of £400-£450.
It's way too early to be draw any conclusions from the XOX though, given that it's not even out yet
I thought his comment was interesting. Calm down.
If not, just the amount of ram next gen consoles use might help estimate the cost of the console.
Nah that would be 3/4 year old tech by 2020.
PS5 should be:
- CPU - Some sort of Ryzen 2.0 or Threadryper 2.0
- GPU - Dedicated GPU @ 7nm with 16-20TF FP32.
- RAM - 32Gb GDDR6 or HBM2
- HDD - 4Tb 7200RPM HDD (Would prefer an SDD but I just don't see it. Possibly a Hybrid drive)
All for a price of £400-£450.
Well hope that works out for you, I doubt next gen will be that powerful though.
A GTX 1080 Ti is 11.3 TF FP32, so to think PS5 would be 16-20TF is crazy. Don't get me wrong it would be awesome but it's never going to happen.
Seems reasonnable , but i don't see why a SSD drive would be unrealistic by then .
I mean it would be 2020 by then wouldn't the price of SSD be down a lot ( or down enough that it could compete with normal drives ? )
Edit: the price of that could be 499$ if they want to lose a little money on each console
Cost, size, power consumption, heat, APU-design - choose your favorite reason.Vega is 13 Tflops in a few weeks. 7nm Navi will be well over 20 Tflops in 2019. why shouldn't there be a 16Tflops console in 2020?
Game sizes are increasing, some games need 100GB these days. SSD would be nice but if MS/Sony can save a few dollars they will. Don't see the next gen launching without 2TB+ drives. They would be better to have a slot on the back for a M.2. drive which either auto caches games or you can move important games to.
That's a lot of time, effort and money poured into a product meant for only a niche of a niche of a niche audience.
Besides which, the XOS's sales are already seeing surprisingly sharp YOY declines from all the data we've got available to us from NPD and the like, and it's not looking ke that isn't already available very cheap with regular sales and bundles. If they're not looking for the XOX to sell in any meaningful numbers or have long legs, and their base model continues to be a poor mans third fiddle, it does rather hamstring those efforts to extend the brand when it's being done from such a small, weak base.
IINM that was a dark period of hot AMD GPUs and 20nm failure.Cost, size, power consumption, heat, APU-design - choose your favorite reason.
There was a 5.6TF (One X level) gpu in 2013.
What did we get in consoles?
1.8TF and 1.3TF.
A 4x GPU and 1.5x RAM capacity upgrade would be a pretty terrible generational upgrade when most of the older consoles went around 10x GPU and 16x RAM capacity over their previous generation.
Well it's not like last gen vs this gen was that huge of a jump either. And mass buyers didn't seem to mind. Both PS4 and XO were pretty weak even back in 2013 (relatively to PCs).
...baffles the fuck outta me.Sony is never going higher than 400$ again, I have no doubt about that.
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I don't think they will go over $399 in 2013 by too much, for the base console anyway. Inflation is a thing, so $399 is about $420 today, I don't think it would be crazy if PS5 is $449 in 2020/2021.
Wow GAF experts always amaze me with their "console market" analysis and business savvy!
probably native 4k, 60 frame per second masterpieces.
What would be the big "enhancement" of the PS5 be over the current 4K/60 frame per second announced consoles (ahem Xbox one X)?
A 4x GPU and 1.5x RAM capacity upgrade would be a pretty terrible generational upgrade when most of the older consoles went around 10x GPU and 16x RAM capacity over their previous generation.
i dont know why everyone is complaining, 500 is a great price for what you're getting for a xbox one x
you know what's overpriced? nintendo switch, and people are buying that left and right
Vega is 13 Tflops in a few weeks. 7nm Navi will be well over 20 Tflops in 2019. why shouldn't there be a 16Tflops console in 2020?
I'm not saying it'll definitely be $500 or higher. Hell, to extend my prior example both the PS1 and PS2 launched at $299, and were both massively successful. Going off the logic GAF is displaying here though, the market would have dictated a console needs to be $299 or lower, and Sony would know better than to do anything other than set that price as the target, and spec accordingly.
If they go with Ryzen or Ryzen 2 there will still be plenty of 30fps games.You missed 3 x CPU upgrade allowing for 60 FPS gaming. Ooops.
I bet you can source that claim. Or wait, no I'm not, because cost estimates for the Switch already exist. They conclude that Nintendo is barely making profit with the hardware.i dont know why everyone is complaining, 500 is a great price for what you're getting for a xbox one x
you know what's overpriced? nintendo switch, and people are buying that left and right
Best part is it's more expensive in most of Asia thanks to Maxsoft force bundling it with 1-2 Switch. I suspect they are dumping all Joycons prone to desync in Asia because Joycons are having a price drop, which doesn't happen unless it's a miracle.i dont know why everyone is complaining, 500 is a great price for what you're getting for a xbox one x
you know what's overpriced? nintendo switch, and people are buying that left and right
I don't understand the "XOX is a mid-gen upgrade so it doesn't count" argument. Err... so? How does the fact whether a new console is a mid-gen upgrade or not influence the cost of its components? Actually, mid-gen upgrades are based on well-known hardware, which is an argument for them being cheaper to manufacture.
The only thing really "unnecessarily" expensive in the XOX is probably the vapor chamber.
We went from 0.18TF~0.24TF GPUs and 0.5GB RAM to 1.3-1.8TF GPUs and 8 GB RAM. CPUs weren't anything to write home about but the consoles on the whole were still a big jump. Anything less than that will be disappointing.