Looks like I'll be investing in a Durango / Orbis system alongside my Wii U as originally planned.
yup. I don't see what the fuss is about. I bought my Wii U for Wii U exclusives such as Zombi U and Monster Hunter.
Looks like I'll be investing in a Durango / Orbis system alongside my Wii U as originally planned.
In the same way that Wii was better than PS2.A HD 4650 is still better than a Xbox 360
I was honestly holding on to the hope that WiiU could satiate all my console needs. I'll be doing the same setup as this gen I guess; WiiU and a PS4.yup. I don't see what the fuss is about. I bought my Wii U for Wii U exclusives such as Zombi U and Monster Hunter.
So it's more like...
<---X360-----WiiU-----PS3-------------------------Durango/Orbis--->
This is where people are wrong. Sony and MS's position going into next-gen is completely relevant to Nintendo especially when Nintendo is trying to fluff up the Wii U to be a competitor to Orbis/Durango with games as well as services. This is the reason why so much focus has been on what moves Nintendo is making because this was supposed to be their solo year to have the market to themselves before the onslaught of the HD twins. I can't understand why people keep trying to make it seem as if Nintendo is in this vacuum where the actions of Sony/MS doesn't affect or apply to them.
I was honestly holding on to the hope that WiiU could satiate all my console needs. I'll be doing the same setup as this gen I guess; WiiU and a PS4.
yup. I don't see what the fuss is about. I bought my Wii U for Wii U exclusives such as Zombi U and Monster Hunter.
Like I said before, it's best to leave this thread be. You, I and a few others know what's really going on. So honestly, what does it matter if the rest of gaf doesn't?
This is where people are wrong. Sony and MS's position going into next-gen is completely relevant to Nintendo especially when Nintendo is trying to fluff up the Wii U to be a competitor to Orbis/Durango with games as well as services. This is the reason why so much focus has been on what moves Nintendo is making because this was supposed to be their solo year to have the market to themselves before the onslaught of the HD twins. I can't understand why people keep trying to make it seem as if Nintendo is in this vacuum where the actions of Sony/MS doesn't affect or apply to them.
So it's more like...
<---PS360-------Wii U---------------------Durango/Orbis--->
I strongly believe that Nintendo's first party stuff will look very very impressive, but it also seems apparent that this system was not made with Western 3rd parties in mind and that with possibly a few exceptions ( maybe some Ubisoft and WB properties), Western 3rd parties will ignore it.
Nintendo better have a lot of Japanese 3rd party support and collaborations in the pipeline.
Honestly the WiiU is probably just above the PS3 a little, but you may never know. You've not got a Nintendo equivalent of Naughty Dog developing stuff like the Phyre or Ice engines to share with developers to get the most out of it, instead you get spec documents with an added "figure it out yourselves I guess, we dont even know?" emphasis.
Also this thread is a great who's who for identifying the echo chamber that allowed for widespread unrealistic WiiU spec estimations even post release sprouted from.
I'm honestly curious, is it possible to summarize what is inaccurate or incomplete and how it impacts the conclusion of the article? I saw the link to the other thread but my low level hardware knowledge is lacking.
Karl Rove on election night level stuff at this point from the Nintendo faithful.
IIRC:
Claims that it's still in the ballpark of RV770
Guesses that the Wii GPU parts take up more than they really do
Blowing off the unknown right side as nothing (Not claiming it's WiiU saving, just saying one shouldn't blow off the unknown).
There was more in the thread, but like you, I'm not all THAT good with GPU hardware.
Because that's what happened to Nintendo last gen on handheld and console as well as what's happening on 3DS.
The only actor that ever have a shot at influencing the market's performance of Nintendo is Nintendo themselves.
Wii/DS/3DS rose when Nintendo focused on theses and failed when they pulled their focus out of it, nothing Sony/MSFT ever did affected them, that doesn't look like it'll change this gen either.
Well that's wholly innacurrate. By all accounts Nintendo have been falling over themselves trying to help larger 3rd parties get to grips with the hardware. And providing middleware to boot, I believe.
Miyamoto said:"The other point is that many of our third-party software developers have been dedicated to technologies like shaders. As Wii U is designed to bring out their real strengths, there have recently been more cases where we develop something with their help," said Miyamoto. "It has been more convenient for us to work together with them because they have been able to more smoothly utilize their know-how for development for Wii U."
I just have one question.
Even if the wiiU could put out visuals comparable to some Orbis/Durango games and all this is bullshit, Does anyone honestly think Nintendo is going to sink the same amount of millions into development of games that squeeze the same level of visuals out the console?
can you really see $100 mil Nintendo games ever being made? Cus I surely cannot.
Thanks.
A HD 4650 is still better than a Xbox 360 so I'm not sure why people are dismissing it. Plus, this GPU is highly customized (or at least something you can't compare to PC parts at face value).
Shin'en said:I can only assure that the Wii U GPU feature set allows to do many cool things that are not possible on any current console. The Wii U has enough of potential for the next years to create jaw-dropping visuals.
A HD 4650 is still better than a Xbox 360 so I'm not sure why people are dismissing it. Plus, this GPU is highly customized (or at least something you can't compare to PC parts at face value).
By the way, I still think the GPU is being heavily underestimated. For a developer to make this comment, there has to be something good under the hood:
Do you think 3rd parties are going to want to do the same on Orbis/Durango?
By the way, I still think the GPU is being heavily underestimated. For a developer to make this comment, there has to be something good under the hood:
But really, isn't this what most were saying from the get go? I mean this is pretty much what I was expecting...So it's more like...
<---PS360-------Wii U---------------------Durango/Orbis--->
And that about sums it upI strongly believe that Nintendo's first party stuff will look very very impressive, but it also seems apparent that this system was not made with Western 3rd parties in mind and that with possibly a few exceptions ( maybe some Ubisoft and WB properties), Western 3rd parties will ignore it.
Nintendo better have a lot of Japanese 3rd party support and collaborations in the pipeline.
this thread is giving me a strong sense of deja vu.
but in any case, Nintendo should hope that publishers keep doing 360/PS3 games for a while.
The article said it was close a HD 4650/70. But I presumed you knew I also meant to say it was custom as well.It's NOT an HD 4650.
Also they don't mention the type of RAM the eDRAM is, they also seem to not point out the fact that there are 2 more banks of eDRAM on the chip.
Edit: The other thread also bring up custom/fix function shaders on the GPU. Whether they are really on there or not is up for discussion right now, but most are guessing they are.
The article said it was close a HD 4650/70. But I presumed you knew I also meant to say it was custom as well.
Why isn't the hardware making any money for Nintendo?
So it's more like...
<---X360WiiUPS3-------------------------Durango/Orbis--->
Yea, developers have never been wrong!
Shin'en never bullshits though. Everything they said about Wii U has actually come true.Yea, developers have never been wrong!
By the way, I still think the GPU is being heavily underestimated. For a developer to make this comment, there has to be something good under the hood:
I see this mentioned a lot.. but you have to wonder about this statement...
Why would 3rd parties want to drop a lot more money on the next gen systems, when their is already an install base of 140+Million PS3/360s?
But really, isn't this what most were saying from the get go? I mean this is pretty much what I was expecting...
Its not even that. They're just saying, the Wii U has enough horsepower and a few tricks to bring you pretty games for a few years.
Its the folk Pies and Beans has this crusade against, that's reading waaay too into it and extrapolating something that's not there.
Nintendo is suddenly the expert in hd developmentWell that's wholly innacurrate. By all accounts Nintendo have been falling over themselves trying to help larger 3rd parties get to grips with the hardware. And providing middleware to boot, I believe.
What matters are the games not the hardware that runs themmost of the time.
This X1000
The install base for the 360/PS3 is much larger than the last gen consoles ever were. I really just can't help but think that its going to be tough for developers to want to switch to the next gen for at least the first few years.
Wii U + PC is the way I'll go again.
Only Nintendo's handhelds exist in a vacuum because that is an entirely different beast altogether with the Wii being an anomaly that ran out of gas. With the Wii U being the first "next-gen" console, consumers are going to come to expect a level of advancement that a next-gen system would bring with games and services. I think it's being ignorant to say that the decisions MS/Sony make going forward with Orbis/Durango won't affect Nintendo due to things such as price, services, and games. Yes people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, but your average gamer is going to expect some sort of parity that would come with a newer system. So far, Wii U doesn't have that parity and looks like it probably never will.
Haven't various devs, like Square Enix, already complained about the longer than usual generation?
They will move on quick enough I think. Games will look better simply because they are on more powerful hardware (kinda like PC ports of console games) so even without much effort we will see improvement.