StrongBlackVine
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The reveal of ME A certainly looked better than the final product. Gameplay wise it looked poor from the start though.
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Do you think Anthem will get a downgrade graphically?
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The reveal of ME A certainly looked better than the final product. Gameplay wise it looked poor from the start though.
It didn't look better.
Some other trailers, like Kadara Port exploration, were so bad they spawned countless memes and discussions.
The April 2016 footage looked considerably better than the final product. Pretty much everything we saw around E3 2016 up to release looked worse than anything seen before.
The April 2016 trailer did not look much better (edit: can you link it just in case I watched the wrong one)
The only trailer that looked considerably looked better was the leaked version of Drack's loyalty quest with far better lighting and shading.
Of course it will be downgraded.
I don't think the Bioware devs are trying to hoodwink us, as Matt said earlier in the thread this is what they think is their vision of the game.
But the realities of game development will hit them and no doubt imo they will scale back things to release a functioning piece of software.
If the game was a high end PC or XB1X exclusive it would look like the E3 demo seeing as Bioware would devote all resources to one high end platform.
I don't think the Bioware devs are trying to hoodwink us, as Matt said earlier in the thread this is what they think is their vision of the game.
But the realities of game development will hit them and no doubt imo they will scale back things to release a functioning piece of software.
If the game was a high end PC or XB1X exclusive it would look like the E3 demo seeing as Bioware would devote all resources to one high end platform.
Frostman
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That second GIF is ridiculous! I'm having flashbacks to Deep Downs tech demo.
I feel in some areas the game could hit these visuals, such as in the first GIF. But weather effects like the second are not happening, and also the visuals when flying through the forest.
So i think it will probably receive some sort of downgrade across all systems (PC,PS4 and Xbox).
I feel in some areas the game could hit these visuals, such as in the first GIF. But weather effects like the second are not happening, and also the visuals when flying through the forest.
So i think it will probably receive some sort of downgrade across all systems (PC,PS4 and Xbox).
Bits N Pieces
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How long has it been in development so far?
Alpha Phoenix
Member
Conception started sometime in 2013, not long after ME3's Citadel DLC was out and the trilogy ended.
SkylineRKR
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I'm not sure if it will be downgraded, it looked good but not impossibly good for Scorpio, high end PC and even Pro potential.
Its just that the cuts, camera and set pieces and all that were heavily scripted for show purposes. The final game will look different from that, the action might end up looking less epic because of functionality but I don't know if its going to be downgraded.
Its just that the cuts, camera and set pieces and all that were heavily scripted for show purposes. The final game will look different from that, the action might end up looking less epic because of functionality but I don't know if its going to be downgraded.
This is true actually. Photogrammetry gives you a complete set of textures, and you tend to edit it less afterwards with shaders in the engine, and you get away with simpler meshes aswell. Traditionally made art tend to need to rely more on shaders.
Reineldinho
Member
I hope it doesn't. Of course, I expect the One and One X as different as the RoTR 360 and the One version.
Dictator93
Member
I still do not unterstand what really what you guys mean by this. Why are meshes simpler as a result of photosourcing being a part of the asset creation process? What about the whole complex process and arduous process of setting up a material library? Of cleaning up the source diffuse from shadows and ao? What about creating the studio clean room for scanning?
What do you mean by "rely more on shaders"? As I see it, photogrammetry is all about shading and making your textures more reliant on their material properties (i.e. shading) rather than baked.diffuse details / ao.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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OP, for someone with a Gon Freecs avatar, you sure are a pessimist.
OT: I honestly don't think that Anthem looks any better than some games already released. Horizon ZD is in my opinion a much more visually impressive game. Don't get me wrong, Anthem looks superb, but I don't particularly think it's doing anything that we haven't already seen on PS4, much less PS4 Pro and the XB1X.
There's no reason to expect a visual downgrade, imho. Given that it's running on Frostbite (the engine that allowed for stunning BattleFront visuals at 60fps on consoles) and the fact that Bioware Edmonton actually know what they're doing, if anything, I'd argue that it'll likely see some improvements prior to release.
Have a bit more faith OP... just like Gon
icecold1983
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Photogrammetry itself has no advantage/disadvantage on performance. Its purely on the art creation side. "Rely more on shaders" doesnt make any sense
BrettHeazy
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say goodbye to the volumetric clouds surrounding the entire ground and 1824591249 objects of debris in the wind.
There aren't many games that started development after the launch of current gen consoles and still got a downgrade. Most games got a downgrade because they were working on the game before they knew the specs of current gen hardware and they overshot it.
Also no Mass Effect Andromeda didn't get a downgrade, the animations were bad but that's unrelated to graphics and a product of not putting enough time and resources on animations. Graphically Mass Effect Andromeda is quite gorgeous and true to what we saw originally in first gameplay trailers.
Also no Mass Effect Andromeda didn't get a downgrade, the animations were bad but that's unrelated to graphics and a product of not putting enough time and resources on animations. Graphically Mass Effect Andromeda is quite gorgeous and true to what we saw originally in first gameplay trailers.
First of all because you get the very nice textures from it, so you dont need to rely as much on shape data for natural objects, while still look as "good" (subjective measurment, but still). Setting up a material library? What are you talking about, that doesnt have anything to do with photogrammetry per se? Delighting the albedo is pretty much completely automated process, there are tons of options there, plenty of software that do it for you. You also dont need to have a clean room for scanning. You can get quite good scans even going out with an iphone and scanning these days
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Well yeah, clearly it'll be lower resolution... but outside of that, I fail to see how Anthem's visuals aren't possible on an XB1.
Bits N Pieces
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So around five years of active development and with the backing of a ten year franchise by EA.
I think this game is going to be fine.
Elfotografoalocado
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They are claiming an online open world gane with those graphics and interactivity, and show a scripted demo that is reminiscent of those Watch Dogs, The Division and RS:Siege demos,fake voice chat and all.
It's going to be downgraded to hell and back in animation, interactivity, size of the maps... The city in the demo was a straight cutscene too.
All this, coming from the studio and the engine that gave us ME:Andromeda.
It's going to be downgraded to hell and back in animation, interactivity, size of the maps... The city in the demo was a straight cutscene too.
All this, coming from the studio and the engine that gave us ME:Andromeda.
Reckless Onion
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Battlefront all over again :')
pretty done
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yes.
ShemhazaiX
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Nah, I don't see this game getting a graphical downgrade, beyond stuff like resolution and textures for the base console models or whatever.
It's much more likely that the game is just janky as fuck like most Bioware games.
It's much more likely that the game is just janky as fuck like most Bioware games.
KormaChameleon
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Most likely.
General Lee
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The demo was clearly a vertical slice where effects etc are turned up to 11 to showcase what's technically possible with the Xbox One X devkit (that's more powerful than the actual One X). The base PS4 and Xbox One versions will look nothing like this. I highly doubt a multiplat will surpass what the first party exclusives have managed so far.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
The demo looks leagues ahead the Uncharted: Lost Legacy demo, a much nore linear game with crazy cutscenes by one of the most visually proficient studios, running on a PS4 Pro.
And an open world game is supposed to have AI and dynamic systems that surpass that scripting, while showing better overall graphics?
sechsterangriff
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If I had to bet I would say yes.
Peroroncino
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Anybody that thinks it won't clearly didn't learn their lesson yet.
killatopak
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is this a trick question?
Always-honest
Banned
Yes.
HeWhoWalks
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No correlation to this game whatsoever.
ScriptedReality
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Absolutely lol. It won't look anything like this.
Alpha Centauri
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EA + Frostbite has been surprisingly accurate when it comes to preview/reveals to launches. Battlefront and BF1 look just as good as they did when announced.
I don't think it will be downgraded. With that said, I am definitely getting Division vibes when it comes to selling us a vision. Hopefully the A-team at Bioware will make good on the promise that is shown.
I don't think it will be downgraded. With that said, I am definitely getting Division vibes when it comes to selling us a vision. Hopefully the A-team at Bioware will make good on the promise that is shown.
No, I expect it to look slightly better on the X actually. I don't expect it to look that good on the other systems. I'm not sure that would be considered a downgrade though. As always, it'll look best on the PC.
We don't typically see downgrades these days. Most of the downgrades were from games revealed or shown around 2012-2013. Gamers have learned and I think publishers know it.
We don't typically see downgrades these days. Most of the downgrades were from games revealed or shown around 2012-2013. Gamers have learned and I think publishers know it.