pigeon interrupted
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Yep, wonders!
*started hrt at 35, now 37. looks forlornly in mirror at shoulder width*
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DoJ takes a step back from effort to protect transgender people under existing law
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Yep, wonders!
Team Alucard
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It really can't.
Human bone structure is far too sexually dimorphic. Especially the skull.
Let me get this straight.
You are blaming transphobes being transphobes on .... the progress of trans groups ?
Probably nothing to hear because they're staying deathly silent.
Fuck, I hate this administration more and more. There was good reason to be scared when the results were showing up.
Yeah unfortunately this is the case. 2 years hrt here and my bone structure still stops me from passing
pigeon interrupted
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We know :'(
I respect your opinion, hon, but I think maybe you're being a bit tough on Kaitlyn. She was in the spotlight anyway and there was a ton of unwanted speculation by journalists when she started to transition. She should, as a trans woman, embrace herself and she shouldn't need to hide herself or her pride in transitioning. That wouldn't have been healthy for the poor girl. Honestly, I think she has done a lot to spread awareness and understanding of transgender issues.
That said, I am totally envious of her natural figure and the fact that she has funds for surgeries. But I'm also really pleased for her. So, envious in a nice way
Team Alucard
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We know :'(
I respect your opinion, hon, but I think maybe you're being a bit tough on Kaitlyn. She was in the spotlight anyway and there was a ton of unwanted speculation by journalists when she started to transition. She should, as a trans woman, embrace herself and she shouldn't need to hide herself or her pride in transitioning. That wouldn't have been healthy for the poor girl. Honestly, I think she has done a lot to spread awareness and understanding of transgender issues.
That said, I am totally envious of her natural figure and the fact that she has funds for surgeries. But I'm also really pleased for her. So, envious in a nice way
I'm not saying she should have stayed in the closet. But she could have y-know, not had a huge dramatic prime time televised coming out interview and appeared on the cover of Vogue.
Also, please never call me "hon".
pigeon interrupted
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First : lots of new names ... do you people know that we have a TransGAF community thread ?
And for Jenner ... I can understand that she is not the best person to be put on a spotlight, but you cannot come even close to saying she is responsible for transphobes being transphobes, SPECIALY those people in power.
Being Janet Mock on the cover of Vogue would have changed NOTHING
And that is some weird victim blaming for people who should have realized that by now
And for Jenner ... I can understand that she is not the best person to be put on a spotlight, but you cannot come even close to saying she is responsible for transphobes being transphobes, SPECIALY those people in power.
Being Janet Mock on the cover of Vogue would have changed NOTHING
And that is some weird victim blaming for people who should have realized that by now
polyh3dron
Banned
Remember when Trump just mentioned "LGBT" and some people blew it out of proportion like he actually cares about that community?
Yeah, no.
Yeah, no.
Pretty much. It's sadly and hilariously telling that the same posters who told trans users to shut up and get in line during the primaries (while at the same time proclaiming they totes support us) are now deathly silent. Kinda only adds to my hate for moderates/Democrats. So thanks for that.
You know who you are. You aren't fooling us when you pretend to claim you support trans rights. We aren't stupid. Stop using us and start giving a damn for once in your lives. Its intensely cruel and heartless to tell us we need to stop arguing for our rights, that all will be fine, that you support us, that etc etc etc only to not be there when push comes to shove. If not you might as well call yourselves Republicans if you refuse to stand by your principles. Especially when it really matters.
I'm not going to mince words and that's the nicest way I can possibly word this for you people.
In essence, I have issues with people on both sides of the "spectrum". Those I named earlier who are right-wing proclaimers of trans rights support and these people as well. Again, they know who they are. Will they face themselves? Probably not. I would love to see otherwise. But we all know that won't happen.
Who knows, they might leave the LGB alone.....at least for a while. The T is an okay sacrifice though. We're easy to generate hate against even from so-called liberals (aka moderates).
BrutishMrFish
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Fuck Jeff Sessions.
At least the EEOC is still doing something, but do Sessions and his fellow Trump cronies have the ability to make the EEOC pull out, too? Looking at Wikipedia, Obama's latest pick is still the EEOC chair, but could Trump easily fire her?
At least the EEOC is still doing something, but do Sessions and his fellow Trump cronies have the ability to make the EEOC pull out, too? Looking at Wikipedia, Obama's latest pick is still the EEOC chair, but could Trump easily fire her?
You know what, I don't even need to be classy here. PoliGaf, you know I'm talking about you (mainly). Telling you didn't discuss it in the community thread or respond here to the matter either. Quite telling indeed. Tell me again how you people support trans rights/care about us as human beings. I'll be waiting. Likely for an eternity given your track record on these topics but I'll be waiting. Do you want to keep emptily claiming you support us or do you want to actually confront matters that we face? These are your only options here people.
Gotta stick together and do what we can. Sanctuary cities/states may be the best bet we have.
Gotta stick together and do what we can. Sanctuary cities/states may be the best bet we have.
This is one of the few times I really wish I didn't have a family. Shit like this is something they shouldn't have to deal with damn it.
They're there for you. They'll support you, I'm sure. Like I said, we gotta stick together.
Beth, you aren't a burden. You are you and you deserve the same consideration and rights as everyone else. : )
Thanks Ekai for saying so. I'm grateful to you for it
Thanks Ekai for saying so. I'm grateful to you for it
Of course, no problem! ^.^
Like I said, you deserve it. I'm glad your family will be there for you.
TenCentCoast
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Yeah, the fact that trans rights threads die quickly is depressing but expected at this point. I try not to get frustrated with it, but damn is it hard not to feel ignored and eclipsed by other "social issues".
SapphiCine
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Finally in a position to socially transition and it's during the Trump administration. Fuck me.
I don't have the pleasure to known you family but i'm sure you're not a burden to them. Don't feel like that. They sure love you and will keep supporting you no matter what.
Keep your head up and proud girl.
Thanks Dai, your just as awesome as always.
I'm just tired of the self-professed diehard Democrats (in name only if we're going to be perfectly honest. real Democrats would give a flying fuck about us on some level if they at all followed their principles) on here who constantly tell us to shut up when we get "uppity" about our desires to be heard when it comes to our rights. Especially when they proclaim in the same breath that they support us WHILE they silence us. The kicker: when it comes time for them to actually show they support us, they're fucking silent. I know I'm repeating myself and I'm going to step away but it's aggravating to no end.
I want these people to acknowledge this. Their continued silence only damns them further. Honestly at this point, I just want them to openly admit they don't give a fuck about us. It would be less cruel than what they already do which is demand we vote for them because the opposition is far worse....all while they do nothing for us regardless if they win or not. Sure, one is better but that doesn't fucking make you an ally of ours. It just means you're holding us hostage.
At this point I almost want the moderates to get the fuck out of the Democrat party entirely. Admittedly, I already didn't like them. Their only use is to be Blue Dogs in more conservative areas at this point. Point blank. I don't have time for your regressive attempts to ruin my life.
The prison thread was the one where people got angry over a transwoman getting srs in jail, right?
: /
The one trans thread that blows up is when they're angry about a transwoman getting something. Transmisygony is alive and well indeed.
TenCentCoast
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Yep. I have to admit, all the Hilary worship here during the election was a bit troubling specifically for that reason. GAF doesn't care about trans people unless they're voting for their candidate, in which case by all means join us, just don't expect us to act like we care after this is all said and done. There are some other things I'm hesitating to say because they're probably unfair, but it really does deflate my enthusiasm for reading here sometimes.
Feel free to speak your mind. I'm happy to listen anyway. Who knows, maybe they'll dare to peek their heads in here for once if we keep bumping it.
Personally speaking I'd rather not bring up primary crap again but it contributes to the issue at hand in regards to the silence we're seeing.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Exactly.
Oh man, I remember that thread, what a mess.
Don't get me started on old threads where the topic was "would you date a transwoman", the transphobia in those threads were just... Christ.
As a cis person, I can't help but want to apologize for the lack of support here. It is depressing as fuck knowing random 'tipping culture' threads can generate more fervor & dialogue than looming human-rights violation.
If I can keep bumping this thread I will.
TheAbsolution
Member
Same.
This shit just makes my blood boil tbh. The fact that this thread only has 3 pages is absolutely ridiculous. Everybody deserves human rights and I will not stand idly by as people continue to be oppressed by the so called "moderates".
It's the party of selfish interests. Not all that surprising.
Honestly, this whole mess reminds me how horrible DeVos's nomination is given her warped views.
Separation of church and state is really taking such a god damn hit right now.
Can someone link some organizations that one can donate to in order to combat what's to come from the DoJ's action to no longer protect Trans rights? (If that already hasn't happened)
Separation of church and state is really taking such a god damn hit right now.
Can someone link some organizations that one can donate to in order to combat what's to come from the DoJ's action to no longer protect Trans rights? (If that already hasn't happened)
M0nochromatic
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As someone who lives in the backwoods and can only help out and contribute through donations, I would like to know this as well.
excelsiorlef
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Ummm
HRT can completely reshape a body vis fat distribution. I had sharp angular features a real pointy jaw. After HRT my entire face softened and rounded out. It was an uncanny difference.
Problem is that this administration is looking like it could be a revival of it being OK to be a hateful piece of shit, and even if they fail due to their own incompetence there's still the fact the current Republican Party at best enables, outright embraces this shit.
Fuck, we just want the freedom to be what we want to be, even if it doesn't get exercised for whatever reason I want the option to be there and usable without fear of being ostracized, especially by the government.
EDIT: And everyone has different luck with body development, having testosterone through puberty is certainly a disadvantage but some people just don't develop a prominently male body anyway. I don't seem to have a brow ridge that sticks out too much (I think I've seen women with similar brow ridges) and in light of Trump having measured tiny hands I checked mine and they seem to be a bit smaller and possibly more in line with the female average for my height. But I am tall and I feel like I'd be happiest with a mix of traits anyway.
Fuck, we just want the freedom to be what we want to be, even if it doesn't get exercised for whatever reason I want the option to be there and usable without fear of being ostracized, especially by the government.
EDIT: And everyone has different luck with body development, having testosterone through puberty is certainly a disadvantage but some people just don't develop a prominently male body anyway. I don't seem to have a brow ridge that sticks out too much (I think I've seen women with similar brow ridges) and in light of Trump having measured tiny hands I checked mine and they seem to be a bit smaller and possibly more in line with the female average for my height. But I am tall and I feel like I'd be happiest with a mix of traits anyway.
No lies detected. I had similar thoughts about these techniques when reading the snowden thread. If they are indeed pulling this crap, hopefully it backfires and instead unites lgbt groups and all groups pushing against these clowns.
How About No
Member
Expecting a big cash-out from Jesus at the gates I guess
And ACLU may be a good place to start for donations
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Quoting this for the new page.
Its probably a good idea for the foreseeable future to assume that those in power are competent.
Skyline Owl
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Now now, I'm sure if we just sit down with these conservatives and open a dialogue with them, they can elucidate to us how their economic anxiety has lead them to erode what little protections our government affords transgender people.
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