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Dragon Quest Heroes II Is Downgraded On Nintendo Switch Compared To PS4 Version
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
It is. This is the successor to the 3ds. People looking at the Switch from a console-only perspective are the main ones confused about it.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Logically, the difference in size would be the reason for the vita port.
3gb and change is a huge difference from the nearly 20gb on ps3. It has more to do with that it's a compilation than the system capability.
I thought about that. My theory is that there was a Vita version in development that was scrapped and revived as a Switch release.
spazchicken
Member
Not to most people.
How big are the PS3/Vita versions?
Kacho
Member
Pretty much. The portability of the Switch is just too good to pass up for me. A game like this will be perfect for business trips.
That will no doubt the the one downgrade that hits the hardest while playing the game though.
In this case it is because people are looking at and comparing the handheld/portable mode version of this game (in the official stream you see people using the Switch undocked. looking down at the screen while holding the controller as the system is designed in groups sessions) and comparing stills from a bad rip of the stream to the console version on the PS4. Now if the game looks like this or still runs at 30fps while the Switch is in docked mode we can have a different discussion. That's the not the case here though.
The Switch is both a home console and a portable. Yes in either regard it's less powerful then the PS4 for obvious reasons but it's also more powerful then the Wii U which in turn was more powerful then the PS3. So people need just stop with the stupid Vita talk in general. Games will run and likely look different depending on the mode. Of course those differences will vary from game to game and developer to developer. People need to be start making sure when they are comparing something on the Switch that they know what mode said video or or screen shot is from. Especially on a unreleased game.
No, it's not.
At worst case, the difference between Switch and Ps4 is close to 4x, while the difference between Vita and Switch is 8x.
Look at the Vita TV and Switch pictures again, the LIGHTING is similar but the portal textures looks more like the PS3 ones and the floor textures are way higher quality than the Vita.
SkullHydra
Member
Such as half the frame rate at best?
Makes a big difference in these games
Old 3DS ran Hyrule Warriors at 30 and people hated it
It was 60 on new 3DS and played good
ULTROS!
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Kacho
Member
Yeah, this is a legitimate concern. The stream I saw was super rough. Couldn't tell if the issues were all game related or stream related. Would love to see some direct feed gameplay for both modes.
Lion Heart
Banned
Damn huge difference.
This.
eyeball_kid
Member
The (lack of) lighting is pretty bad, but the fuzzy marble and wood textures on the right side are perhaps the worst part. It's good to see these comparisons, as we've had little information about Switch performance outside of 1st party games. It's possible this is a quick port, but the textures downgrade might point to a RAM deficiency as compared to the PS4.
So, Nintendo is confused about its own console then? They're the ones that state the Switch is a home console that happens to have portable capability. And if it was a 3DS successor, I doubt the Switch would have the performance that it does.
So, Nintendo is confused about its own console then? They're the ones that state the Switch is a home console that happens to have portable capability. And if it was a 3DS successor, I doubt the Switch would have the performance that it does.
Alebrije
Member
TriForce Hero
Member
I must be using the 32 GB card... otherwise... mother of compression...
Japanese PS4 DQH2 is over 29GB, according to my install file.
The Vita version of DQH2 runs quite nicely, actually, and looks great on the 540p screen. The Switch framerate seems choppier in comparison (often sub 30fps), but I'm hopeful they will smooth that out to a consistent 30fps prior to release.
FLAC audio compression would cut all those numbers roughly in half, and you'd be looking at a 32GB card.
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The issue is the game being rushed (well it could be depending on the framerate), but what gets compressed. From the looks of it, the PS3 version of DQH1 will be used whereas the PSVita version of DQH2 will be used, and if they're putting two games into one cart, expect more compression from both games.
The lower resolution textures, simplified geometry, lack of effects, etc in the Switch version cuts it down much further. I think they'll put both of these games on a 16GB card (possibly even 8GB, if they really cut corners) -- there is no need for any more than that, judging by what they look like. Vita version of 2 is 3.1GB after all.
ronaldthump
Member
You're saying its the successor to the 3DS. Nintendo is saying its the replacement to their wiiU which is a home console.
Why make it 3gb? Because they were hardware constrained (mem card). The console has plenty of capacity and room for expansion with the mem cards you can get.
Choppasmith
Member
Just a thought, but maybe they're gearing up for another big push that we'll see at E3 or another Direct.
Imagine:
DQ Heroes I+II for the US
DQ XI for the US
DQ Character in Smash Switch port.
All announced in one video.
Say it with me folks: It's a handheld.
I don't care what Nintendo's marketing told you, I don't care that you wish it was a console, I don't care that it has some home console features, this thing is handheld. It's a handheld in power, it's a handheld in function, it's a handheld in release, structure, and style. If Nintendo's marketing tells you otherwise, it's because they want to save face for the price, (kinda) poor battery life, and subpar portability.
Expecting anything more than handheld performance is going to get you burned.
Nintendo: Temper your expectations
All that said, having Dragon Quest Warriors portable is worth the downgrade in my mind, but I'll stick with my PS4 versions personally.
I don't care what Nintendo's marketing told you, I don't care that you wish it was a console, I don't care that it has some home console features, this thing is handheld. It's a handheld in power, it's a handheld in function, it's a handheld in release, structure, and style. If Nintendo's marketing tells you otherwise, it's because they want to save face for the price, (kinda) poor battery life, and subpar portability.
Expecting anything more than handheld performance is going to get you burned.
Nintendo: Temper your expectations
All that said, having Dragon Quest Warriors portable is worth the downgrade in my mind, but I'll stick with my PS4 versions personally.
cartman414
Member
All true, but it'll more likely than not put the kibosh in whatever chance Red Dead Redemption 2, etc. have in appearing on the Switch.
In other words, companion system to PS4/PC once again.
So's the Vita and that version looks about as good.
Because it's a port of that version? Yes, that would make sense.
Hm, okay ? I'm saying the "it's a handheld" defense makes no sense since both are handhelds. I don't know what you're getting at.
No its 100 % right
Oh absolutely! But how on earth did anybody not expect this already? There was no way Nintendo was cramming a PS4 into a handheld and even if they did, it's not like that's guarenteed to be a successful strategy. Think about if they had decided to go that route and suddenly the console is $500. Disaster. Then again, if they launch the exact same type of console as their competitors? Disaster. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Great post. Thank you for writing it all out like this. It gives me a much better understanding of the context.
I thought you were exaggerating, but man... you're not far off.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
No, even if the Switch version is based on the Vita one, Switch port looks way better.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
So convenient right? Jk. I've always said and always will say that it's a handheld. Still stinks that it can't seem to have the perks of either a handheld or console, but it is what it is.
Man, but how much better you want to bet this is the exact marketing campaign for Splatoon 2?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
More fair? Switch is two console generations ahead of PS3.
Yeah... I believe you do know what he's getting at.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Playing through DQ Heroes 1 on PS4 right now and the game isn't exactly a looker in the first place, it is afterall an up-port of a PS3 game, though a solid 60 FPS makes it fun to play.
The fact that the Switch version is reportedly 30 FPS is a far bigger downgrade than these visuals IMO.
The fact that the Switch version is reportedly 30 FPS is a far bigger downgrade than these visuals IMO.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
And if we start comparing the Switch to the Vita, the Vita is a 5 year old portable system.