Baconsammy
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I don't know if you want a response, but I can't until you clean up the English in your post. I sadly have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Edge: "Nintendo Direct - promises, promises"
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I don't know if you want a response, but I can't until you clean up the English in your post. I sadly have no idea what you're trying to say.
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A Sentient Keyboard
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That's a valid point, you're right.
Refreshment.01
Member
Posts like these man... posts like these XD
So one can't be critical withouth resorting to hate? Is not fair on your part to group everyone in the same sack.
Like some posters already pointed out, the Wii U suffers from same symtoms of other launches. But it also has its special amount of issues that make it look a lot worse.
Except they didn't show sh!t, save for Xenoblade that looked really nice. And Yoshi...
Baconsammy
Banned
Sales down because they couldn't make them fast enough to meet demand. A failure of sorts, I guess.
Sorry, i wont click on anything from Edge or that GiantBomb. They´re too dudebro for me
For me, flop means the total failure of a project/product beyond recovery. If I'm wrong, then we need a different term, because there's noticeable difference between of the flop of Ps3 and the flop of Vita or the Gizmodo.
Q
qizah
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This is just the same cycle with Nintendo hardware. Nintendo can't win because expectations are all over the place. "We want more announcements for future software". Nintendo does so and people are upset lol.
You know no one forced you to buy a Wii U at launch right? If you didn't have interest in titles early on, you could wait until there's titles on the platform that interest you.
You know no one forced you to buy a Wii U at launch right? If you didn't have interest in titles early on, you could wait until there's titles on the platform that interest you.
SolarPowered
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I see the common sense brigade is here. Well said, guys.
Chillax
Nintendo weren't doing shit. They were trying their very best to skirt by on the bare minimum and the world leaned towards their ear and whispered "no". This forced Nintendo's hand and now they have to show something instead of expecting people to line up for a console that had absolutely nothing to show after the Summer. Good on the world for telling Nintendo what's what. I hope the world does the same to Microsoft and Sony if they decide that we should buy their expensive hardware without knowing about their future offerings.
Brutally too lol
Watching the internet's reaction to the need for two jobs and $599 US dollars was hilarious. Sony got roasted in a way that would have buried many other companies. They took the beating of a lifetime and had to struggle immensely just to sell half of what the PS2 did.
Phoenician_Viking
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This is some kind of a revisionist history right? I mean we all imagined the massive price drop, where Nintendo was forced to sell a hardware at a loss for the first time ever. We all imagined and are still imaginign how th e3DS is not living up to Nintendo´s forecast expectations.
Baconsammy
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A release can flop, or be a failure, and the device can still succeed. Not sure why there's such confusion. The 3DS and Wii U launches flopped. Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS and it recovered. Your entire lifecycle doesn't have to be a series of successes to be considered a success.
Mysterious
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Mario 128 was always a tech demo, so it would not be fair to include that.
Yeah, maybe the wording is a bit harsh. How about the Cynicism Corner? the Pessimist's Plaza? I was just joshin you guys anyway.
You're right though, there's nothing particularly wrong with being a bit more reserved in the enthusiasm. None of this stuff is coming soon. But I knew before clicking that this was going to be the "well, the ND wasn't that great, I don't know why so many people are excited" thread.
Refreshment.01
Member
Finally someone takes the side of the consumer for once.
My respects Solarpowered, the thruth in that post was nuclear powered thought.
Im just saying Edge has a point. I myself really enjoy Nintendo Direct's, a fantastic iniative to hit a bit closer to the consumer, but there's room for criticism and we both help ourselfs and Nintendo by not been too complacent.
giant_frying_pan
Member
I hope that Edge will be similarly critical with the PS4's inevitable first 6-12 month drought in a way it wasn't with the PS3's.
Eh, we are reaching a language barrier here. English is not my first language after all. For me, failure always implied that the situation had no possible recovery. Sorry if I'm in the wrong.
What I don't like are the false equivalence derived from such use of the word, like "Both, the 3DS and Vita flopped, so they are in the same situation".
Lets leave it at that, we have deviated too much from my original point and the intend of the thread.
This thread should be closed its pointless its just some writer getting all butthurt let's focus on real subjects here people.
Smiles and Cries
Member
way to read the tea leaves Edge
TwEE-N-Toast
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Thats one of the lovable quirks quirks of some avid gamers, obviously people who act that way do not notice it.
Kohler seems to be having fun redefining what the word "vaporware" means http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/01/wii-u-analysis-2/
Baconsammy
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Pretty sure juniors don't make the call on what is and what isn't thread worthy. Feel free to message a mod if you disagree.
Visualante2
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Nintendo's biggest problem with the Wii was getting the consoles made. This time it's software.
It's a pathetic showing really. Like they're scrambling to work out what people want. I find it hard to believe that's a great creative atmosphere. It's too bad. Probably will end up being a good game every 3-6 months and barren in between just like the Wii.
It's a pathetic showing really. Like they're scrambling to work out what people want. I find it hard to believe that's a great creative atmosphere. It's too bad. Probably will end up being a good game every 3-6 months and barren in between just like the Wii.
I understand your frustration with E3, and I share your frustration, but Nintendo will always be there.
I think that's everyone's stance on this one.
The thing is, I think some of the posters here just got used to the droughts of new videogame systems and they just go with it. It's horrible, investing in a machine which won't deliver on the promises made during the first year but it seems that is something that will never change within this industry. I've accepted it.
Baconsammy
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Not redefining anything. Gamers redefined it when they used it to refer to only games that never came out or will never come out.
The actual definition is:
Hence why he's on my ignore list. If I were you I'd follow suit.
While we have the "will never be pleased" crowd, I think the majority of us in this thread concur that Nintendo brought the heat this morning and made a solid case for why you should purchase a Wii U, and why you should feel confident with your existing Wii U purchase.
BruceLeeRoy
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Dang well said man.
SolarPowered
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Thanks
Also, this stood out to me. It would make for a bitchin' tag. Time for some shut eye now.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Of course they could have avoided all this if they'd waited 12mths for the games to be ready and on a console that could actually compete with MS & Sony in terms of performance.
..but that would be too much like common sense for Nintendo.
..but that would be too much like common sense for Nintendo.
Baconsammy
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I have no proof to back it up, but I'm betting after the success of the Wii they thought they could do whatever they want and it would sell. I'm just surprised that the 3DS fiasco didn't wake them up before essentially repeating the same disaster with the Wii U.
Talk about missing the mark! Here's my working assumption - everything Nintendo showed today will be released this year, except Smash. I think Nintendo could even hit Smash for December 2013. (That'd be the triumvirate of 3d Mario, Mario Kart, and Smash for Holiday 2013). I also expect Nintendo to show Retro's title at E3, for release this year.
So these "promises" are the games that the next Xbox and PlayStation will be launching against. I have no idea what those consoles price point will be - 399? 499? I have no idea what titles will be launching with those consoles.
It's a brave new world out there for retail console video games. Sales have cratered over the past few years. I am excited to see what Sony and Microsoft are bringing to the table, but they could still very well have a much poorer launch than the Wii U. So I just don't know how you look at today's Nintendo Direct, which was an answer to the demand that Nintendo tell consumers what they were working on, and say, "Pshaw! Just promises."
So these "promises" are the games that the next Xbox and PlayStation will be launching against. I have no idea what those consoles price point will be - 399? 499? I have no idea what titles will be launching with those consoles.
It's a brave new world out there for retail console video games. Sales have cratered over the past few years. I am excited to see what Sony and Microsoft are bringing to the table, but they could still very well have a much poorer launch than the Wii U. So I just don't know how you look at today's Nintendo Direct, which was an answer to the demand that Nintendo tell consumers what they were working on, and say, "Pshaw! Just promises."
BruceLeeRoy
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I think based on the launch lineup and clear rush to market this is a solid guess.
It's our own fault that unbalanced articles like this get published. Same reason why fap articles like IGN's get published too. We preference them.
We aren't pressing game journalists to get better, we are rewarding them for their failure. There is absolutely no need for concepts like accountability, transparency, and investigative accuracy in gaming journalism when the only thing to add to company information is commentary. Gaming doesn't need journalists, it needs blog posters.
Anyway... the article isn't that bad.
We aren't pressing game journalists to get better, we are rewarding them for their failure. There is absolutely no need for concepts like accountability, transparency, and investigative accuracy in gaming journalism when the only thing to add to company information is commentary. Gaming doesn't need journalists, it needs blog posters.
Anyway... the article isn't that bad.
I believe that would have been the worst course of action for Nintendo.
I actually think the issue with the Wii is that the industry treated it like the DC. They just didn't give it a chance.
The difference is that unlike the DC, the consumers didn't hold the same sentiments. They bought the Wii in droves and what did that amount to the industry doing? Well... nothing, really.
During the N64 and GC eras people always claimed Nintendo didn't get support because they didn't sell enough for 3rd parties to be interested. The Wii showed that wasn't the case. Or at least, it showed that the sunk costs of HD were far too great for companies to remain flexible enough to change direction.
The industry is going to swallow itself up in the attempt to make everything like a summer blockbuster
BruceLeeRoy
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They were kind of stuck with the Wii U between being underpowered but releasing earlier than the next consoles but hoping fan loyalty would cover the dearth of titles. That seems like a pretty risky endeavor especially after the 3ds
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Why?....
If they had launched in September this year with 2 or 3 of their AAA franchises on a console that at least had a chance of maintaining parity with Xbox & PS4, that 2 or 3 month head start would have put them in a far stronger position than what the strategy they have followed has put them in.
polyh3dron
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Post-launch draught is not something completely unprecedented.
I'm going to go with what Iwata said instead: that they wanted to spend more time on the games they have to get to that "Nintendo" quality. I'm guessing there were miscalculations as to the popularity of the Wii U for sure, but I doubt they thought "we can do whatever we want!" The sheer volume of exclusive software coming out in Spring and Summer is impressive:
Rayman Legends, Lego City, Game and Wario, Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, The Wonderful 101, and console exclusive Monster Hunter 3 U.
I don't think they thought they could do whatever they wanted...
But then they would have people either picking it or the new Xbox up and if they went with stronger tech they would've had to have cut out the pad which gives them a less unique feature to compete with whatever Microsoft comes out with.
says the guy who doesn't know what "flop" means ...
DeFiBkIlLeR
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People wont give diddly squat about that controller when they see the games on the PS4 and Xbox.
People would easily accept playing real,next gen looking Mario,Zelda,Metroid with a standard design controller, instead of having their games look like 2005 level gfx for the next 5yrs.
Blowing the development budget on that Ipad wannbe was just dumb...
The philosophy of Nintendo is to build discrete, small systems. Unless they are releasing a 150W+ device like Sony and MS will, they wouldn't have parity even with second half of 2013 tech (x1.5 jump of current Wii U at best). If such a device was in the cards, then they should have released it last holidays instead. If would have offered a clear jump and still got them the head start. Releasing it at the same time, or short before, would have them competing for the spot on a with an even further devaluated brand. BTW, I believe Sony will suffer due this in the face of the NextBox massive marketing punch and brand push.
Pretty much the GC scenario, but now also losing the people who might like an small and discrete device.
They did. Balloon Fight.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Except MS & Sony haven't taken anyone's money....big difference