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EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
- Thread starter Deadly Joker
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A class action about?
It would take awhile for those "Exclusives" to materialize and it wouldn't be in droves. In the meantime the consumer market would be speaking with their wallets and creating a gap in the install base that the publishers couldn't ignore. If they started out with this thinking I could see them quickly shifting gears within a year leaving MS holding the bag.
I know its hard to think MS would be dumb to do this on their own, but I think they are arrogant enough to do it. Look at their track record. Everyone thought Nintendo was untouchable and couldn't make dumb moves, everyone thought Sony was invincible after PS2 and could do no wrong, all of these companies went through arrogance periods.
Or a decrease as those users with average gaming PC's choose to go with fancy new Console tech. Depending on what Sony and MS do of course.
I have a feeling Microsoft will make their decision based on what Sony does.
That, or they're going full on Steam style sales wise.
Also..."online only" means to register games/use certain things. I'd bet nearly everything I have you can still play single player games off-line.
That, or they're going full on Steam style sales wise.
Also..."online only" means to register games/use certain things. I'd bet nearly everything I have you can still play single player games off-line.
Uno Venova
Banned
I thought only about half were connected to the internet on 360?
Alx
Member
No need to give more money, the anti-second-hand feature would be the bribe itself, since it would mostly benefit the editors.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
What happened to the anti-used stuff that Sony patented recently?
Pagusas
Elden Member
Interesting. I'm not as hardcore/boycott about this as the rest of you, as gaming has become only a small hobby in my life now, but if MS does do this I hope to god they DO NOT tie the game to the system, rather tie it to the gamer tag.
That way we can log on to another system in the house, download the game, and play (continue playing if there is cloud based saving, which there should be). That sounds pretty good to me.
That way we can log on to another system in the house, download the game, and play (continue playing if there is cloud based saving, which there should be). That sounds pretty good to me.
If so, thats pretty devious.
Quite similar to this gen with MS getting the exclusives earlier on but then with Sony coming back strong the best route was to go multiplatform and that was with the 360 leading in sales.
Would they really try abandoning Sony again?
Somehow, they'll mange to fuck it all up.
their corporate philosophy doesn't matter, it would be suicidal. no call of duty, no battlefield, no GTA (all these games publishers have actively voiced their frustration with the used game model), they are the king makers and if drowning an insalubrious threat to their no-used game utopia at birth is what it takes, so be it.
NerdEyeBlind
Member
MS isn't cocky enough to do this without Sony also on board to kill off used games.
Dead Prince
Banned
it was trap.
Fuck that. These companies can get comfortable with the idea of me not buying their crap.
I just hope there are enough people out there who do the right thing and not give these shitty ideas the support they don't deserve.
If you buy systems like this, you are part of the problem.
timetokill
Banned
Microsoft wouldn't be doing this if not for some serious publisher benefits.
If ms does this and sony doesn't, expect lots of timed exclusives for the xbox. Sony fans will have to wait for everything, if they get the game at all.
If ms does this and sony doesn't, expect lots of timed exclusives for the xbox. Sony fans will have to wait for everything, if they get the game at all.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
those companies can talk ALL THE SHIT they want, that's way too much money left on the table. They won't hold back releases on multiple consoles.
razgriz417
Member
at least according to pachter, used sales at most eat at 5-8% of new game sales, would they really leave that much money on the table considering the rumors are saying that both consoles are very similar to the PC? I could see some potential timed exclusive, but the I think there's just too much money to be had releasing across both platforms rather than going exclusive
funkystudent
Member
Just out of curiosity I wonder how bad it will hurt the PS4's 3rd party support if this is true.
MS would have just won ever every big player and they didnt have to money hat them. Its smart.
MS would have just won ever every big player and they didnt have to money hat them. Its smart.
Sony patents a lot of things.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I don't see this happening. Despite this news the Xbox will still sell.
BibiMaghoo
Member
IF it's true, then MS are playing a dangerous game.
They expect to please publishers with this move, but no publisher will be happy with it if no one buys the console because of it.
It could bring games to the new Xbox, or the exact opposite, depending on customer adoption.
They expect to please publishers with this move, but no publisher will be happy with it if no one buys the console because of it.
It could bring games to the new Xbox, or the exact opposite, depending on customer adoption.
But what if the install base for PS4 ends up being much bigger in light of this (if it's true)? Would be kind of hard to ignore putting your games on the more popular platform.
So if my net cable is broken, or let's say My router is broke, I can't play a game that I purchased, on a box that I paid for by my own hard earned money? On top of it, you use my net connection to shove more ads down my throat?
MS , you are pushing it far beyond the tolerable limit.
MS , you are pushing it far beyond the tolerable limit.
No they can´t afford that. Sony is roughly half of the console market for multiplatform titles.
Future PhaZe
Member
Gotta wonder if the online infrastructure is going to remain the same for MS-- Gold pricing again, ridiculous control over software pricing, closed market, etc...
If they would open everything up ala Steam then I'd probably favor Durango over Orbis...but it's such a complete 180 over everything else they've done that it's hard to imagine happening.
If they would open everything up ala Steam then I'd probably favor Durango over Orbis...but it's such a complete 180 over everything else they've done that it's hard to imagine happening.
PapaJustify
Member
Wonder what that means for 3rd party support if Microsoft kisses publisher's asses and doesn't allow used games.
Could actually put the winds in their favor.
Could actually put the winds in their favor.
This is what i'm wondering.
But as i said in the other thread, i call bullshit on it, because i can't believe Microsoft would go as far as restricting people to completely use the machine if not connected online, it would be just lunatic.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Vargavinter
Member
As long as the creators get their share of the money I don't have any problems with buying games with activation I do that with steam all the time, the only concern is that both me and my wife plays on the same Xbox but with different profiles so they better have a system that takes that in consideration. And the always online must work smooth as well, if you manage to lose your connection for let say a day or two or perhaps even longer (for when your moving etc)
Maybe its just me.... but I don't think no used games is enough to create a significant install base gap.
Yeah, unfortunately it'll be only the enthusiasts who get riled up abuot this. The average consumer will buy an Xbox and that'll be that. It sucks.
gundamkyoukai
Member
This is going to be interesting if true while pubs would love this to happen if PS4 sells more they not going to have choice in the matter .
They will be force to put there games on the PS4 and i can see gamestop pushing people towards PS4 also.
They will be force to put there games on the PS4 and i can see gamestop pushing people towards PS4 also.
The idea that 3rd parties will all collectively abandon the PS4 for the Nextbox just because it bans used games is ridiculous. It's not like these parties aren't making millions on both the 360 and PS3 right now, regardless of the sales they are supposedly missing.
It feels like Microsoft is going to make a huge mistake that'll bite them in the ass later.
It feels like Microsoft is going to make a huge mistake that'll bite them in the ass later.
Love the logic up here though.
Patent: means nothing at all.
Rumor: OH MY GAWD CONFIRMED.
Seriously though I doubt either of them are going down this path.
Fine with me. I enjoyed PS3's exclusives more than anything on 360 anyway.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Diablo 3 was the best selling PC game the year it was released wasn't it?
Maybe in the US/UK, but nowhere else.
I seriously can't believe it's true that the next Box will require to be costantly connected. As said in the other thread, I think there's a good possibility that connection is required just to activate the game when you play it the first time, and then it can't be sold / borrowed. But I can't believe Microsoft will seriously go with the need of being online whenever you play, seriously.
MS isn't making these decisions in a vacuum.
To be fair, we're starting over here.
If they really wanted the publishers could be working in conjunction with MS, thanks to MS doing this for them if Sony isn't, to try to pigeonhole Sony and lead to early irrelevance.