BTW do You think that both PS and nextbox being so close with tech they are using just a coincidence or an agreement to separate Nintendo from the twins again ?
Obviously
The PS4 and Xbox 720 are the same console!
BTW do You think that both PS and nextbox being so close with tech they are using just a coincidence or an agreement to separate Nintendo from the twins again ?
I think if they do have 4 cores the rumour is they're clocked faster than 1.6GHz - what difference that'll make to OS utilisation I'm not sure.I'd also like to know this. some posts are suggesting they only have 4 cores to durango's 8.
someone needs to break and spill the beans. waiting is fast becoming impossible.
They are putting in lots of cheaper/slower memory presumably so that they'd have lots of space for non gaming stuff, which signals too much of a focus onto that. I don't think it will be quite like that in any case, but why do you expect anyone here to cheer for that when it's a) gaming forum and b) everyone already has some kind of laptop or tablet that does all that non gaming stuff already, and better.LMAO at peeps downing MS for seeming to make a machine that can do more than just games. If the machine can do games + more, why is that a bad thing? lol.
Kill the "pure gaming machine" noise. That ship clearly sailed out this gen and is never coming back.
So if this is true, which one is better 3.5 of GDR5 or 5GB GDDR3 assuming this is what ends up being used for gaming?
Jesus.
No? even now the 360 and PS3 have plenty of exclusives to differentiate themselves.
Not really
In terms of raw compute and TDP past consoles tended to be on par with or ahead of contemporary PCs. These apparently use a lot of very low-power CPU cores and cut down versions of high-end mobile graphics chip sets, they won't come anywhere close to powerful desktops. In terms of software overhead Durango is basically going to run the Windows 8 kernel and much of the WinRT framework for apps so it's pretty directly comparable there too.
It'll be a hell of a leap over PS360 because it's been 7 years, not because they're pursuing powerful designs.
Possible.
I foresee Watch Dogs and SW 1313 level visuals at launch personally. I am more than happy with that jump.
Well looking at the Xbox 360 and PS3, both used hot, expensive, powerful chips when they were released.
Generally the trend is the consoles use lower clocked versions of the high end PC parts. The Xbox 360 used something that was even faster the high end PC parts.
And before someone brings up RROD, that was much more a result of terrible manufacturing practices than any actual hardware flaw.
Yeah Sony's big studios will pull off some amazing things with that. Look at what they did with PS3's really weird 256mb RAM setup.
They will be similar for the first time,the PS3 and 360 are completely different hardware wise.I'm sure i said "console", not catalog
BTW do You think that both PS and nextbox being so close with tech they are using just a coincidence or an agreement to separate Nintendo from the twins again ?
Sony always innovate, they just don't commit to their innovations to see them succeed.
Identical CPU in both will probably make multiplat games much closer in quality across both platforms, which will be nice. I find it humorous that the current GPU in my PC is already more powerful than the Orbis GPU, but I'm sure the devs will be able to code something quite nice with it.
Oh lawd.
Rumors have Durango reserving CPU 1-2 cores for the OS. Is it assumed Orbis will do the same? What limits on multitasking would there be if Sony didn't?
There'll be a relatively high CPU overhead too, with potentially two cores reserved for the customisable apps Microsoft wants to run in parallel with gameplay. Orbis has no such ambitions and may power past the new Xbox simply because it focuses its resources on out-and-out games power.
CPU: Eight-core AMD processor running at 1.6GHz
Graphics core: Radeon HD hardware, 18 compute units at 800MHz
Additional hardware: GPU-like Compute module, some resources reserved by the OS
System-on-chip codename: Liverpool
Memory: 4GB GDDR5, 512MB reserved by the OS
Better than that I think. Not as better as Proelite suggested earlier. Somewhere in the middle I think. Sony was apparently telling devs '10x RSX+PPE' in real performance and that sounds about right to me. The paper spec isn't 10x on those fronts but throwing in 6 years of architectural improvements and efficiencies etc. etc.
Though it's difficult to sum something like that up in one number. Some things will benefit better than that, some not much like that at all.
I can't wait to see next gen games footage. I'm sure it will look great. I'd love to see racing games for example.
I'd also like to know this. some posts are suggesting they only have 4 cores to durango's 8.
someone needs to break and spill the beans. waiting is fast becoming impossible.
Yeah. It's weird. I think there is still plenty of doubt.That is really bizarre, first we barely get any hinted PS4 info and now it's all out there. Yet, the XB3, which we have heard tons about is a mystery? Whut.
That is really bizarre, first we barely get any hinted PS4 info and now it's all out there. Yet, the XB3, which we have heard tons about is a mystery? Whut.
Sony always innovate, they just don't commit to their innovations to see them succeed.
That is really bizarre, first we barely get any hinted PS4 info and now it's all out there. Yet, the XB3, which we have heard tons about is a mystery? Whut.
I could write a whole list on shit they have taken from Xbox and to a lesser degree, the Wii.
Depends on what the cores are doing. Dedicating 100% of 1/4 of those cores is a waste, 1/8 is more reasonable.
3.2GHz 4-core vs 1.8GHz 8-core? Heat, die size, cost, etc. are all trade offs. I wonder if dedicating a single 1.8GHz core is easier for Sony to control rather than part of one 3.2GHz?
That is really bizarre, first we barely get any hinted PS4 info and now it's all out there. Yet, the XB3, which we have heard tons about is a mystery? Whut.
Btw, what happened to Thebes?
Why is this Liverpool now?
None of this seems deliberate. It doesn't have that flair. Speculative still.2014
Sony are revealing in a few weeks, I suspect their allowing the airways to fill to try and stop MS riding in to bother them.
Depends on what the cores are doing. Dedicating 100% of 1/4 of those cores is a waste, 1/8 is more reasonable.
3.2GHz 4-core vs 1.8GHz 8-core? Heat, die size, cost, etc. are all trade offs. I wonder if dedicating a single 1.8GHz core is easier for Sony to control rather than part of one 3.2GHz?
It seems Orbis is the gamer's console while MS has other targets as well. Sony must hope for Orbis being the standard for devs though, otherwise all the (possible) hardware advantages are useless. It all comes to this: Which console will be the "standard"?
Significantly. We dont know exactly how much, but every HW part of PS4 is much faster than its PS3 counterpart.
We will find out more about both consoles when they are revealed between GDC and E3.
For the "gimped" 7970M (800Mhz and 18CU) vs RSX
RSX 13GT/s
7970M 57GT/s (4.3x)
RSX 4.4GP/s
7970M 23GP/s (5.2x)
PS3 GDDR3 22GB/s
PS4 GDDR5 150GB/s-192GB/s (6.8-8.7x)
Also the APU design means the CPU cores can share data with the GPU much faster. So is this enough for 1080P@60fps?
Well 720P->1080P is 2.25x the number of pixels. 30->60fps is another 2x, so 4.5x the pixles to render in a given amount of time. Seems like Sony is at least aiming for 1080P @ 60fps, maybe 30fps with 3D?
I think that's more a testament to the insanely talented first party devs than the hardware. Source engine games ran maxed out at 1080p/60fps on the x1800XT released in 2005. But console Source ports didn't hold up so well. There wasn't enough power to brute force good performance on an engine designed for PCs.Yeah, the GPU is good, but it's no beast. Far behind high end PC hardware. Not in the same league as a GTX 680 or something.
It's certainly not like the Xbox 360 GPU which blew away everything on PC for a year until the X1900 series was released
Go on then. I'm intrigued.On consoles? Honest question, but what innovations?
I could write a whole list on shit they have taken from Xbox and to a lesser degree, the Wii.
Which is Microsoft undoubtedly. But if Sony launches months earlier that might a difference. And, of course, games will be programmed to the lowest common denominator.the one with better dev tools.
Btw, what happened to Thebes?
Why is this Liverpool now?
10X RSX+PPE sounds right to me too, but that's 5-6X the whole PS3
Orbis also features Radeon HD graphics hardware. We've previously suggested that AMD's mobile "Pitcairn" design
Shouldn't the reflection be mirrored?
Modest Monsters.I wouldn`t call them monster machines. They are more modest machines.
It seems Orbis is the gamer's console while MS has other targets as well. Sony must hope for Orbis being the standard for devs though, otherwise all the (possible) hardware advantages are useless. It all comes to this: Which console will be the "standard"?