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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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DeFiBkIlLeR
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Power consumption is the key factor...7870 performance with 65w power demands is why they went for it.
alexandros
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Ah, but what if you put these specs into a Steambox with Linux and no other crap? The plot thickens!
I think he's just saying it's not literally the same chip.
Sony may have tweaked some things. I mean, they even tweaked some things in the 'very off the shelf' RSX. But it won't be major stuff I don't think.
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I'm guessing both come in at $399 (base models, at least) *but* there's a strong possibility IMO that we see $449 on one or the other because if MS includes Kinect in there and all that other multimedia stuff, then that will probably push the cost of this thing up and they probably feel they can justify that $50 bump.
PS4 may have that extra costly controller with theirs which will bump up the cost plus the fact that they are less likely than ever to take a bath on the system in the first year.
I think PS4 regains it's #1 crown next-gen. I think MS will stumble and miss the target with the direction they take.
PS4 may have that extra costly controller with theirs which will bump up the cost plus the fact that they are less likely than ever to take a bath on the system in the first year.
I think PS4 regains it's #1 crown next-gen. I think MS will stumble and miss the target with the direction they take.
shinobi602
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Granted, but just put things in perspective. You might not agree with me, but games like Halo 4 and Forza 4 blew me away when I saw them, relative to the 360's hardware spec.
Likewise on the PS3, well, I don't even have to mention...Uncharted, God of War, Killzone, The Last of Us, etc. These games absolutely stun me when I see them.
Orbis and Durango absolutely destroy these spec wise. We will see absolutely amazing things next gen.
DecoyOctopus
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LOOOL
On the flip side the Sony console now seems easier to develop for(if they have similar GPU's).
Mikey Jr.
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Then people bitch that it doesn't have/doesn't do yada yada.
Then Sony will try to force the fucking thing to do it, but won't have enough ram to do it.
Then in typical fashion, Sony will be fucked, and we will have to wait till next next gen to get it.
I love Sony, but they are copiers, through and through. They rarely innovate and just steal. The problem is that they don't plan on this stealing, and find out that later that they don't have the machine to steal, but fuck it, they are going to try anyways.
Sony, fuck the ddr5. Put 8gbs. Copy MS. And just steal whatever the fuck they are doing.
The most interesting stuff is about the CPU.
Basically it seems like the Steamroller boat has sailed and they're using the same Jaguar setup that MS is using coupled with some kind of GPGPU-like module (which could indeed turn out to be a really low power second GPU integrated in the CPU). Also it's nice to hear that they're not letting their OS and non-gaming ambitions go past games.
I assume 399$ and 499$ SKUs at launch.
Basically it seems like the Steamroller boat has sailed and they're using the same Jaguar setup that MS is using coupled with some kind of GPGPU-like module (which could indeed turn out to be a really low power second GPU integrated in the CPU). Also it's nice to hear that they're not letting their OS and non-gaming ambitions go past games.
I assume 399$ and 499$ SKUs at launch.
Neither MS or Sony would take major losses like that anymore so yeah but still they are a major step up from what we have now/
Didn't they show some GT5 footage at 4K running on 4 PS3s? I don't think 4K on next gen consoles is out of the question, although obviously it'd depend on a game by game basis.
Insane Metal
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Edit. nevermind
That on its own wouldn't cover it, unless they're letting you record from many streams simultaneously...alongside a bunch of other things that might be running. That case on its own wouldn't be particularly RAM heavy. I think PS3 can do that with PlayTV, letting you record one program in the background, and it has to fit inside PS3's OS RAM.
Maybe later on in the generation we'll see amazing things, but I think at launch many will be dissapointed with the visual fidelity of launch titles.
Yeah, but Intel used black magic when they created the sandy bridge chipset.
captscience
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Rumors have Durango reserving CPU 1-2 cores for the OS. Is it assumed Orbis will do the same? What limits on multitasking would there be if Sony didn't?
Significantly. We dont know exactly how much, but every HW part of PS4 is much faster than its PS3 counterpart.
We will find out more about both consoles when they are revealed between GDC and E3.
1st Course
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Yeah the 360 was really something else for its time.
Then you would have something that costs more at the start(assuming MS and Sony subsidize some of the costs) and would not have either MS or Sony exclusives, but you would have the Linux Steam library. Depends on the games you want to play.
Maybe it's because you're fusing two consoles together.
Yeah, at least initially Sony platform will probably be easier to develop for.
What will happen a few years from now is not clear. MS many reduce memory consumption of the OS in certain games once developers start demanding more memory, which they always do.
In which case, that 4GB of RAM will start to hurt Sony.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Well Sony would get my money over MS, simply by being closest to my philosophy when it comes to consoles...all I want are the games and a fucking controller.
MS can fuck off with all this 'lifestyle' nonsense and 'capturing the living room' bullshit, they lost me with Kinect TBH.
MS can fuck off with all this 'lifestyle' nonsense and 'capturing the living room' bullshit, they lost me with Kinect TBH.
Realistically it's a 5-6X improvement.
Long story short: Latency is a bigger problem than throughput, so lots of lower-clocked cores can be a good thing. Apart from that, consoles are working with a 150W TDP envelope, which isn't much. A many-core mobile CPU may very well have given better performance in the number of watts allotted to it.
Also, Carmack says you need about twice as much "power" to get the same performance and visuals on a PC due to consoles being optimized for a fixed spec, so you'll need it.
phosphor112
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michaelius
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BTW do You think that both PS and nextbox being so close with tech they are using just a coincidence or an agreement to separate Nintendo from the twins again ?
Conciliator
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Gotta say if these are the legit specs I'm impressed. Show me the games.
EDIT: And the launch price.
EDIT: And the launch price.
Yeah. It's shortsighted. It's good if all you do is game but I want multitasking. 512MB is good at the start but what about 5 years for now? What if a Durango feature really blows up and Sony can't compete.
There is a period in there. I was commenting on both platforms.
Edit: There I added a space.
AgentP
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No one is ever going to use expensive and hot chips to make a console. Yes a GTX 680 and a i7 are both faster, but what is you point? The 680 cost $500 alone! Sony and MS want to make closed systems that are under 200W, small, and cost $400 total.
Well under 1GB. Early TiVOs had 16 MB of memory (today's top-end models have 512 MB). Even a non-optimized solution such as MythTV runs fine with multiple streams at 512 MB.
HoodWinked
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I think the reason why its 3GB for os on the 720 is because it needs to be a fixed size. So this means that even if the os were actually only using 1gb the 3gb buffer allows them 2GB for additional apps to run in the background. the 3GB is a ceiling.
You cant tell game developers go ahead and use 7GB then have the os use 1GB 90% of the time then in some situations the os can use up to 3gb. running out of memory is real bad.
You cant tell game developers go ahead and use 7GB then have the os use 1GB 90% of the time then in some situations the os can use up to 3gb. running out of memory is real bad.
Clay Davis
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I'd also like to know this. some posts are suggesting they only have 4 cores to durango's 8.
someone needs to break and spill the beans. waiting is fast becoming impossible.
Jesus.
Saberus
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Good, now go find somewhere else to play.
Well looking at the Xbox 360 and PS3, both used hot, expensive, powerful chips when they were released.
Generally the trend is the consoles use lower clocked versions of the high end PC parts. The Xbox 360 used something that was even faster the high end PC parts.
And before someone brings up RROD, that was much more a result of terrible manufacturing practices than any actual hardware flaw.
Sony always innovate, they just don't commit to their innovations to see them succeed.
Better than that I think. Not as better as Proelite suggested earlier. Somewhere in the middle I think. Sony was apparently telling devs '10x RSX+PPE' in real performance and that sounds about right to me. The paper spec isn't 10x on those fronts but throwing in 6 years of architectural improvements and efficiencies etc. etc.
Though it's difficult to sum something like that up in one number. Some things will benefit better than that, some not much like that at all.
ps3 vs wii.
Compared to the Durango, but yeah compared to the PS3 it's easy mode.
I think that really depends on how good that eDRAM tech really is. 3,5 GDDR5 for a console targeting 1080p sounds great though.
Lol. There is such a thing as a topic sentence. But never mind, I now understand your point.
SneakyStephan
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Yes pc gamers get great results off these ports, the console users are stuck with the mess though because these games are hopelessly overreaching on that old hardware.
720p or less and averaging 25-30 fps with lots of drops (and the horrible LOD transitions and the walled of level design to occlude as much stuff as possible at all times and the stomach churning fovs) are just downright unacceptable.
We needed a big jump just to get rid of those (imo) unacceptable compromises, then a bunch more power if we'd maybe possibly hopefully like some AA again.
As mainly a pc gamer (my ps3 is mostly relegated to DLNA streaming box duty) I hope for a serious leap in graphics (especially for larger maps with more going on, death to corridor movie wanabes!) , but that means people who only play on consoles will be stuck with low framerates and poor image quality again.
Someone is going to lose no matter what happens, it's been 8 years you can't blame me for expecting better by now.
This is the first console gen that gets a big MEH from me, though as I said I am hugely relieved at the 4GB GDDR5 figure, the bandwidth should be plenty for 1080p too.
I just expected something better than a crippled 65W laptop part.
I already admitted that it's a good and efficient gpu for laptops. Consoles don't run on batteries though.
shinobi602
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Possible.
I foresee Watch Dogs and SW 1313 level visuals at launch personally. I am more than happy with that jump.