DF just used the 7970M as a basis for comparing Orbis's GPU. They didn't say it was a 7970M exactly...
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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DF just used the 7970M as a basis for comparing Orbis's GPU. They didn't say it was a 7970M exactly...
Probably something close to a mainstream quadcore cpu with gpu between 7850 and 7870. with 3 and half gigs GDDR 5 for games.
shinobi602
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Awww snap.
Well, consoles have limitations. Cooling problems and failure rates go up with power consumption, and those are the absolute last problems you want in a console. That said, a 7970M GPU is quite literally a desktop HD7870 GPU that runs at lower clock speeds and uses less power. It's just a bigger number and sounds better.
Basically this.
Upper middle, in terms of a gaming setup, i'd say. You couldn't call it beastly, but it'd play most games on decent settings at 1080p. On a console, in the closed environment and developers actually trying, you might get the performance closer to current high end PC, but i'm not sure exactly what gains you can make.
Here's me thinking lherre knows that already.
shinobi602
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Compared to the PS3/360, they really do smoke them.
SolidSnakex
Member
They are for consoles. They both sound like they're going to be a big upgrade over what we currently have, and that's all people really want.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Sony's need for revenue makes me think it will be $499 and there will be a premium online service similar to Live that can be subscribed to for $50-60 per year. The new controller will be $100 (if you want a second one).
As for the Durango RAM, wouldn't it be cool if you could play X360 games on a controller with a screen while someone plays a Durango game at the same time on a TV?
As for the Durango RAM, wouldn't it be cool if you could play X360 games on a controller with a screen while someone plays a Durango game at the same time on a TV?
SlowRevolution
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they don't need 3gb for that
Yeah Sony's big studios will pull off some amazing things with that. Look at what they did with PS3's really weird 256mb RAM setup.
and fits the 1.84tf number that came from developers at CES.
if that number is correct, then it doesn't really matter what designation the chip has.
phosphor112
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StevieP and a few others said it wouldn't be mobile, I'm guessing you believe the same? If so, even better.
You don;t need 3GB of RAM for that plus name me a household that can't do all the multimedia stuff as it is? People are far more likely to go with a Smart TV or something.
Haha, I'm doing a poor job keeping track of names and didn't realize who I was replying to. It's a wonderful maelstrom of speculation!
This number has existed for quite a while longer than that, which helps add some weight to it given console lead times.
To me, the main remaining question is what is the performance of the separate compute block.
jeff_rigby
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I'm having a problem with some of the statements, why under clock an already under clocked Mobile GPU. The point with Mobile is they under clock and have fewer CUs to reduce battery draw, Consoles don't have batteries. Is heat an issue with a 80 watt GPU....shouldn't be, if it were, use a cheaper Mobile GPU with fewer CUs. Mobile GPU in the PS4 should be overclocked past it's likely clock speed in a notebook. Mobile only because it's designed to be the second GPU and the assumption is the APU has the video and Southbridge.
I've guessed something else will be using the two free Xbar slots that only two Jaguar packages leaves free but if he has information that sounds like more compute units based on CPUs, they'd better be more efficient than Jaguars as you can run Jaguars in turbo mode up to the thermal limits. Monolithic silicon remember which means Jaguar is going to be close enough to other CPU packages that one impacts the TDP of the other.
GDDR5, I really hope not and monolithic silicon talk is not what I expected for the PS3 but I guess that goes along with no transposer, no stacked RAM.
Really doubt this article is accurate.
Man, I like what I read, but this post was so fucking cringeworthy, ugh
Don't know if those consoles are two "monster machines", but very good specs! Seems like a step up from the current generation machines and I hope that developers will make the best out of it. I want better AI and physics for example
I'm pretty glad that things are okay in your world; I mean almost everybody here thought the opposite, right? Quite the achievement to top the Wii U
Disagree. Performance will never be emphasized. We haven't hit that graphical plateau. Games will look significantly better but run just as poorly. We might not get sub-hd resolutions but we definitely will see frame drops. AA is getting more varied but jaggies aren't going anywhere.
I mean, they only suggest a model to made their assumptions, but it's not a fact I think. I'm not sure if i'm explaining myself correctly. I'm not saying that it is incorrect at all but throw a model is a great assumtion when the gpu have custom parts inside it. I would have said the gpu family like other rumours (R10XX from AMD) instead a model.
If this is all true, I think Sony has built quite a nice machine. Well in line with the reasonable expectations. Still sorta sad that Intel isn't in the console business, they could create miracles. I'm not really not a fan of MS and Nintendo's of using lots a slow ram paired with eDRAM. I don't know that much about tech, but as it stands it seems to me that the Orbis will be the easiest to develop for.
3GB for OS sounds ridiculous though, I really doubt that's true. I have no idea what could possible be that resource intensive.
3GB for OS sounds ridiculous though, I really doubt that's true. I have no idea what could possible be that resource intensive.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Well what's the difference?
Isn't the chip in question using GCN CUs also etc. etc.? It's stats look the same as something like the 7850 or 7870, albeit with lower clocks etc. and the power draw is a lot lower. Do they pull out double precision stuff or..?
I think DF just wanted a card to compare to and that would be the closest GCN card in terms of configuration and clockspeed, I guess, assuming they're the same as the desktops.
edit - per lherre's last post, if the point is that the chip in orbis will be a customised thing to a certain degree etc. Sure. But I think Eurogamer was just offering the 7970M up as a broadstrokes point of comparison.
Even if it's true, you or anybody else knows what they "need" it for. I'd say wait until things are confirmed before throwing darts but that makes too much sense.
AgentP
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Well DF doesn't say it will be a mobile GPU.
They seem to know the clock speed and number of CUs and everyone knows it is based on GCN. So they use the 7970M as a basis since it seems to fit the specs. Of course AMD is making an APU for Sony, not a dedicated GPU.
I would think the 3GB number is memory reserved for the OS and apps, not the OS alone. There can be Skype, Bing, Kinect, etc. all running in that reserved 3GB.
They are only modest in the fact that by year end they will not be close to mid level. My year old PC already best these stats. That really is the measure. However, they will be more than enough to provide that jump most are looking for with 1080p and at least with PS4 with all we know likely targeted 60fps.
We don't actually know that nor the 3gbs. Until we get some facts that is rumor.
We don't actually know that nor the 3gbs. Until we get some facts that is rumor.
I'm preparing my drool bucket for Naughty Dog and Santa Monica's new titles.
Are the GPUs so custom that they are completely uncomparible to desktop parts?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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I'm so excited for the next generation MS and Sony systems. I can barely contain myself. But I'm worried they'll release at the same time.
I feel like that'd easily be $450 per system, then $50x2 for an extra controller for each, then $60x4 for a handful of games, $50x2 for XBL and PS+ (I renew during the end of the year), that's almost $1500 after tax is added. Nevermind the games that will release for the Wii U, 3DS and Vita systems around Xmas.
This is going to be an expensive year especially if a retina display iPad mini comes out.
Blarffles, this hobby be expensive, yo!
I feel like that'd easily be $450 per system, then $50x2 for an extra controller for each, then $60x4 for a handful of games, $50x2 for XBL and PS+ (I renew during the end of the year), that's almost $1500 after tax is added. Nevermind the games that will release for the Wii U, 3DS and Vita systems around Xmas.
This is going to be an expensive year especially if a retina display iPad mini comes out.
Blarffles, this hobby be expensive, yo!
It's been so long since those consoles have been out that I have to wonder what anyone would have to put inside their successors (especially with MS/Sony pushing for current/1 year newer tech) to not make them a pretty fuckin' big leap. 8 years is like a century for graphics tech.
Even better is the idea that taking anything from the now versus making something botique = better understanding from the jump = modest pricing as it's current = lower barrier of entry financially. Sony's really doing this right so far.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Playing x360 games streamed from a Durango on a tablet with a wireless x360 controller while someone plays a Durango on TV could be one reason for the RAM needs of the OS.
Nice.
1st Course
Member
It also has more to do with the wattage consumption of modern GPUs:
You simply can't apply what happened in the previous generation with the current one.
Ah ok, I misunderstand the text then or some posters.
I dont think they are just comparing the make up to that gpu. CU and clock speed.
Since mobile gpus are binned the power usage is going tto be higher but if you cut 2 cu and clock speed it could be around the same.
/\/\yeah
Your post got me thinking, perhaps instead, of '720 lite' games streamed to a tablet.
Remember that rumour of a 720 lite set-top box, with lighter games etc.?
However, going against that was the rumour that there'd be a dedicated tablet that could run that stuff itself. Although maybe they want to let you stream that to other 'normal' tablets too?
But I don't know. Seems expensive on resources, it would take a bit of the GPU away too etc.
Or games with intentionally less intense graphics like say indie games or even HD ports of really old games. If they got Okami to render at 4K on the PS3 I guess it'd be possible.
Please.
michaelius
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Hmm isn't mobile 7970 more or less desktop 7870 at diffrent clock speed and voltages ?
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Of course they smoke them. No question. But they aren't as advanced as Ps3 and 360 were at launch.
You're expecting a bit.....much. You're talking about running (emulating?) a 360 title while playing a full on "next-gen" Durango game?
I say some of you need to keep expectations a bit more grounded in reality.
I'm crazy excited too!
Boss Man
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3.5GB of GDDR5 seems a lot better than 5GB of DDR3 for games.
But I think Microsoft is actually doing the smart thing here. The next Xbox is going to have a very "next-gen" interface and capabilities outside of games. I think they're definitely making the right move, whether it's what I want or not. Sony better be doing some clever work on the OS side, or their box (not the games, mind you) is going to look out of date.
But I think Microsoft is actually doing the smart thing here. The next Xbox is going to have a very "next-gen" interface and capabilities outside of games. I think they're definitely making the right move, whether it's what I want or not. Sony better be doing some clever work on the OS side, or their box (not the games, mind you) is going to look out of date.
