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Eurogamer: Star Wars Battlefront 2 has a loot crate problem.
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SuperEpicMan
Banned
Since we are doing OT titles:
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| There's always a bigger whale
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| Never tell me the odds!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| He's holding a thermal detonator with a 0.15% buff!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| I don't like loot crates. They're coarse and rough and irritating and they get everywhere.
Though personally I don't mind the loot crate implementation in this.
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| There's always a bigger whale
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| Never tell me the odds!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| He's holding a thermal detonator with a 0.15% buff!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| I don't like loot crates. They're coarse and rough and irritating and they get everywhere.
Though personally I don't mind the loot crate implementation in this.
Doesn't the text imply a Starfighter Crate guarantees one piece of Starfighter loot? Unless the crafting parts count as part of that... that would be spectacularly gross.
I'm going to be a pessimist about this: I don't see loot boxes going away without some harsh legislation calling them out for what they really are (gambling) and slapping 18+ restrictions and everything those entail on them. Fingers crossed for EU stepping in and ending this nonsense, voting with my wallet obviously doesn't work.
This. Let it all burn down in flames.
Yes, the text explicitly says that, but I've had it happen now with two crates where I've not gotten a card. I'm missing many cards for the ships to boot. I think they have it set so that if you get a dupe of a card you already have, it doesn't level it up, it just gives you a very meager amount of scrap (20). That's fucked up. It completely removes the feeling of progression.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
StarWars the perfect series for good cosmetics that will sell those lootboxes on its own, but what does EA do they make P2W lootboxes. Their greed is just disgusting.
Its obvious that voting with money has not worked now that 2017 became the year of loot boxes. No point in even trying to fight it back without help from a higher power like government getting involved.
Its sad that its come to that point.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
Always remember: It's a beta. Maybe it's just a bug or the whole system isn't even final. The game is over one month away.
But why would a beta have a different progression system than the full release? Is this kind of shit common with betas now? Has it happened before?
If it does indeed change then my only answer to this would be that they were testing the waters to see how much they can get away with.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
The lootboxes will stay, but they might change/adjust some things how to get them, drop chances, card balance etc.
And a bugged lootbox / wrong description in a beta is totally possible, yes.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
I'm curious as to how the a la carte stuff in Titanfall 2 has fared.
I'm curious as I didn't once engage with that system because it felt... pricey. Also I felt it lacked the impact of the progressional cosmetic unlocks (even though some of them ask a ridiculous amount of playtime from the player).
I'm asking because I wonder if the data from Titanfall's way of handling things has shown it to be less effective in additional monetization from players.
I'm not looking at this from a moral standpoint presently (do we actually have a clear picture of their intent for launch or is this all speculation?) but a purely data driven one. It might be that lootboxes and non-cosmetics are more effective in monetizing players than simple a la carte systems (again I am not going to bat in defense of BFII here...).
As a reformed DOTA 2 player I absolutely saw my interest in treasures drop off a cliff when they turned to random drops rather than "Hey I want this cool Crystal Maiden hat" but given Valve's doubling down on random drops I feel my experience is the exception rather than the norm.
I'm curious as I didn't once engage with that system because it felt... pricey. Also I felt it lacked the impact of the progressional cosmetic unlocks (even though some of them ask a ridiculous amount of playtime from the player).
I'm asking because I wonder if the data from Titanfall's way of handling things has shown it to be less effective in additional monetization from players.
I'm not looking at this from a moral standpoint presently (do we actually have a clear picture of their intent for launch or is this all speculation?) but a purely data driven one. It might be that lootboxes and non-cosmetics are more effective in monetizing players than simple a la carte systems (again I am not going to bat in defense of BFII here...).
As a reformed DOTA 2 player I absolutely saw my interest in treasures drop off a cliff when they turned to random drops rather than "Hey I want this cool Crystal Maiden hat" but given Valve's doubling down on random drops I feel my experience is the exception rather than the norm.
read the description..
IMPORTANT NOTE: Crate contents and rarity distribution are intended for multiplayer beta only
Polioliolio
Member
Remember when a game was sold for what was on the disc, and that was the end of it?
Simpler times.
Simpler times.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
But its cosmetic only- oh
Roufianos
Member
Just seen Angry Joe's video and it really is disgusting. There's no unlocks by levelling up? You get the same amount of credits regardless of your performance? Absolutely pathetic.
I'd have absolutely no problem purchasing DLC maps so long as the base game had sufficient content.
I'd have absolutely no problem purchasing DLC maps so long as the base game had sufficient content.
Historically speaking, DICE betas have been very reflective of the final product. Easily reproducible bugs and all.
dispensergoinup
Gold Member
All I needed to check was if these random drops changed the gameplay in a way that would give others an advantage over those that don't get lucky drops, they apparently do so I'm out.
Loot boxes for cosmetics is fine, gameplay changes, no.
Loot boxes for cosmetics is fine, gameplay changes, no.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
read the description..
IMPORTANT NOTE: Crate contents and rarity distribution are intended for multiplayer beta only
Why would you assume it gets better in any significant way?
I am SHOCKED
ohh I don´t.. actually I think it will go the other way..
the_milkybar_kid
Member
This industry is the worst at times. I'll pirate BF2 for the single player. The rest of it can fuck right off. Fool me once...
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
If this game reviews well (particularly the SP) I'll watch it on YouTube. Otherwise, the abhorrent progression system designi.e. orientated around slowing player progression to a point that buying loot-crates becomes the only reasonable optioncan go fuck right off.
AAA console games are becoming iOS games now...
I want to be positive for Anthem, but after this... *sigh*
AAA console games are becoming iOS games now...
I want to be positive for Anthem, but after this... *sigh*
Unless the SP campaign is online only or some shit like that. It's EA,anything's possible. Especially now when Denuvo ain't so scary anymore.
jim2point0
Banned
I also watched the Totalbiscuit video on loot boxes
it´s a FTP game hiding beneath a $60 price tag.
Everyone saw OW making plenty of money and getting away with it, and decided they needed them. But then they decided to go the shit P2W route instead because everyone is greedy as fuck and most games don't have enough room for a bunch of OW cosmetics to fill loot boxes (Or in star wars case, they're probably VERY limited by the license).
Can't make 40 different Boba Fett skins, but you can sure make 5 rarities of his gun to collect!
Raptomex
Member
Is that how all of this nonsense started? Greedy motherfuckers.
Well I was somewhat interested in this but now, not so much. No word on Galactic Conquest, loot crates, and talk of P2W? I'll wait and see how it turns out first.
franklyshankly
Member
Star Wars Battlefront 2 |OT| From My Point of View, the Loot Crates are Evil!
I was probably already beaten on that one but haven't checked the whole thread.
I was probably already beaten on that one but haven't checked the whole thread.
Stallion Dan
Member
Cosmetics are a huge part on enjoyment of a game.
If they weren't people wouldn't but loot boxes.
so this just happened
Man, you should pony some money up and buy enough boxes to unlock Dark Theme - definitely the best legendary in the game.
This is the one!!!
Okami Haundo
Member
Not sure I see a major Star Wars game like this bombing. Especially not one that releases near a numbered film. We can make our voices heard, but those boycotting entirely aren't going to hurt the game much I feel. I for one am helpless to the power of that damn series. I'm sorry Gaf.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
In case of good reviews for the single-player, why not get and play it for yourself when I you are mainly interested in the singleplayer? This makes no sense at all. You could still go the EA Access/used-game/borrow game-route to not give them much/any money.
Sorry, but sometimes it feels like people really, really want to find an excuse to not play a game ... especially with AAA titles from WB, Ubi and EA.
Well - it may get cursed with the sequel sales slump - so it's possible.
The Freeman
Member
It's Star Wars. There's no way it will bomb.