Well sure,there's always a possibility like that. I just think that it won't bomb,especially with another SW movie coming out in December.
My thoughts exactly.
My thoughts exactly.
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Eurogamer: Star Wars Battlefront 2 has a loot crate problem.
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At this point I am slightly ashamed of the amount of money I spent on Overwatch loot crates because it makes me believe that I am (or was) part of the problem. I don't regret spending money on Overwatch mind you, I am still fond of that game despite its shortcomings, but the "all lootbox everything" gaming future is not something that I want or support.
Camp Freddie
Member
This one for sure.
The loot crate method of upgrades is awful.
I much prefer the currency-purchase method. Earn currency while playing and buy the upgrades that interest you.
Leave loot crates to cosmetic stuff if you feel they're necessary. BF1 does this well enough, with battlepacks containing cosmetic stuff while you buy the guns.
Both methods work are compatible with microtransactions since you can let players can buy game currency with real money. But I guess the businessmen have calculated that people will spend a lot more to gamble for a Gold X-wing than they will to just buy it.
Mashin Haters
Member
star cards shouldn't be used to upgrade weapon damage and defense increases. It's totally unfair.
Sure, if some players could never get access to the same weapon upgrades through gameplay.
It has nothing to do with being a man child. RNG loot mechanics are essentially gambling. people get a high and spend way more than they ever would or should if the skins were available to buy separately. Blizz has made over a billion in revenue from them. You think its alll from people buying a few at a time? Its wrong and needs to be regulated.
ComputerBlue
Member
Quoting because it's still the best one.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
EA Access isn't available on PS4, also would give EA money. I would borrow it, but I don't know anyone buying it. Also, I never buy used games, because I don't like seeing 100% of my game purchase £s going to mooching games retailers and none to the developer.
More importantly though, games developers/publishers aren't entitled to my money, neither am I obligated to buy a game that has a certain mode I'm interested in (when the rest of the game I find to be an utter affront to gaming as a medium).
Perhaps, take a step back yourself and think about why you seem to think publishers are entitled to my purchase when they deliberately undermine a product by implementing anti-consumer, gross and predatory systems like the one in this game.
Okami Haundo
Member
Honestly, my biggest complaint is that progression seems to be randomized for everyone. Whether I level up or buy all of my loot crates, it seems I'd have the same odds of getting what I want.
On the other hand, that might make it so I'm less likely to be seriously outclassed if I don't play the game often.
lucebuce12
Member
This is just perfect.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
I showed you three ways how the publisher doesn't get your money, or at least not much over EA Access.
My OT suggestions
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| ...I'll try spinning. That's a good trick.
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|That's not how game progression works!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|Loot crates are a pathway to abilities some would consider unnatural
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|I don't like loot crates. They get everywhere.
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|So this is how gaming dies... with thunderous loot crates
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|You don't want to sell me loot crates
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|Nooooooooooooo!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| ...I'll try spinning. That's a good trick.
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|That's not how game progression works!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|Loot crates are a pathway to abilities some would consider unnatural
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|I don't like loot crates. They get everywhere.
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|So this is how gaming dies... with thunderous loot crates
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|You don't want to sell me loot crates
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT|Nooooooooooooo!
Star Wars Battlefront II |OT| YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!
Raven77
Member
...which is exactly how this is setup. Some players MAY never get those upgrades.
Not sure how some people are defending this system. Go watch angry Joe's analysis of the loot crate system. He does a pretty good job of breaking down the absolutely insane amount of time it will take non micro transaction players to upgrade things.
Jesus.... I'm only getting it for the campaign anyways so I'll wait for under $30 price drop.
I bet EA changes this. What do you guys think? The more sites that bring this up, the traction it's getting on Reddit and social media is causing such bad publicity; at this point they almost have too. Maybe it's wishful thinking because I really want this game but I will not spend a dime until they get rid of this nonsense.
They have the Star Wars license. They don't have to change shit because they know people will still buy the game.
Since you can use scrap to upgrade the card higher to match that rank, it's not like players will never get them it just means they might have to play more to get it, instead of burning cash early to get them.
Will watch the video now, just for reference.
Downloaded the beta and was greeted with this loot box shit. Played 2 games, decided it wasn't worth it and deleted the fucking thing.
I don't understand all this convoluted nonsense both EA and Disney are shovelling. I mean wouldn't it be easier to sell Smack to children in playgrounds.
I don't understand all this convoluted nonsense both EA and Disney are shovelling. I mean wouldn't it be easier to sell Smack to children in playgrounds.
Oh wow, it really is that simple! Have you ever considered working in psychiatry? I bet you'd set all those dumb idiot manchild gamblers straight in minutes, just think of the good you could do.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Lol no. Whatever people are saying about it it is still a super pretty star wars game coming out a month before the next big movie im the franchise. Game will do well.
It does seem they went super excess with it though. Cosmetics and lootbox stuff that isnt gameplay essential is fine. But doing it to gameplay altering stuff is crappy. I don't really care much for this stuff because I'm trash at shooters so this stuff will make no difference in my play but its pretty bad.
Especially when one of the rare abilities is utterly broken like how I expect it to be.
Audioboxer
Member
CBT? Nah, MBT everyone.
Manchild behavioural therapy. We don't need any of that stupid cognitive behavioural therapy for attempting to aid with gambling addictions.
FoxnHurley
Member
This gets my vote. LOL.
After reading about this loot crate mechanic, I'm going to cancel my order now. Can't see myself partaking in such a practice to make progress in the multiplayer portion of the game.
Dopamine imbalance? Haha, more like DOPE-amine imbalance, am I right?? LOL
*high fives*
Gotdatmoney
Member
It def sucks that they are turning off peoole with this stuff. Sorry man
It's an EA game so I'm sure by January you"'ll be able to get it for $30-40 at least.
It def sucks that they are turning off peoole with this stuff. Sorry man
It's an EA game so I'm sure by January you"'ll be able to get it for $30-40 at least.
Will be on EA Access in 12 months.
Who knows, maybe this loot box outcry will get them to change how they work within the game but who knows.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
And then you went ahead and had a bit of rant about how gamers are coming up with any excuse not to buy a game.
Ok, so if you don't think Publishers are entitled to gamer's money, then why else are you so invested in gamers buying games they like that it irritates you when people come up with excuses not to buy games?
Or is it just that you don't like that gamers are using YouTube to watch SP campaigns (which I would personally consider a legitimate concernbut not in the case of scummy publishers like EA and what they're doing with BFII)?
Raven77
Member
Okay cool, yeah watch that video and look at their analysis on the money of time taken to gain scrap, it's absolutely crazy and ea will have to adjust it I'm sure.
But then it raises another problem in that everyone seems to get the same amount of credits. In a way this is good as players who spend more money and should naturally do better in matches won't get tons more credits than people who are grinding it out. If they did they would outpace non paying players even faster. On the other hand it seems doing better should result in more credits earned. Idk how I feel.
aygomyownroad
Member
Star Wars Battlefront 2 [OT]: You came in that thing?
Mr.Deadshot
Member
I'd say buy the game and play it for yourself to have the full experience or boycott it entirely. Watching it on youtube won't give you the same experience.
To be honest this just isn't true. He does some really lazy maths where he ignores some pretty major facts makes some pretty silly assumptions and then comes out with a shock figure for the sake of shock value. His maths simply do not correspond with the experience people are having in the beta because, simply put, he ignores so much of the model.
Napkin math aside, some players will be genuinely unlucky with unlocks of cards via loot crates though.
I've played the beta about 8-10 hours and still don't have the shield card for the heavy class and it feels vital to playing that class.
Ok, so even if we slash time 10x, it's still 300 hours. That's fuckton of time.
Considering the game is out within a month, I doubt they are going to rethink their method of progression.
Kiddy Dong
Member
Money speaks louder than words do (to corporations at least), and this P2W structure combined with the Star Wars IP is going to take in crazy $$$. They're not going to change shit unless the government has to step in.
This game will sale millions and they will probably make millions off of the loot boxes. They will change nothing.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
Pretty sure they will change some things so that they can say "look, we listended and improved some stuff". They might tone down some of the more overpowered cards and maybe improve drop-rates or the amount of lootboxes you get for free. But in the end it will still stay a P2W-system.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Tbh, I'm only interested in the SP campaign for the story. So I don't even need the "full experience" since the actual shooter gameplay parts don't interest me that much. I just wanna see the cutscenes and where they go with the story.
If EA wasn't being shits with the pushing a predatory lootbox implementation in this game, I would buy it. Since, they are, YouTube is my friend.
brunomartynhak
Member
Perfection.The odds one is my favourite.
ComputerBlue
Member
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBa...ot_crate_disapproval_spreading_like_wildfire/
Here's a whole load of youtubers and websites showing their distaste with this games loot crate system.
I doubt it will do anything regardless, but who knows....One can hope I guess.
Here's a whole load of youtubers and websites showing their distaste with this games loot crate system.
I doubt it will do anything regardless, but who knows....One can hope I guess.
Good,hopefully more and more people will make videos/write articles about this. Let's see if EA will listen to feedback this time like they supposedly listened last time...
Chezzymann
Member
Lots of people in the comments saying all the complaining is annoying and they're still gonna buy the game so they can have fun. Hopefully they're in the minority so EA can get fucked. This game needs to bomb or at least disappoint
LoveCake
Member
There are many now seemingly being more positive about the game, from the comments on that sub and also here, I don't know if this is due to the reports that the items in the loot-boxes in the BETA is not representative in the actual game, but can EA/DICE/Criterion be trusted, why have they not come out and categorically stated this and also given examples of the loot-box costs, items contained and crafting requirements?
It's a shame to. I really want to get this game but I can't support it's current state.
Edit. I agree above. Hope EA or somebody makes a comment on this.
Raven77
Member
That...won't work. You buying the game sends one message and one message only, that you aren't bothered by the presence of loot boxes enough to not buy the game.
This is why the system will only continue to gradually get worse. They do it slowly, introducing it in more games where it doesn't belong (happening now). Then when the game sells well they push it a little further.