Except the voice screaming out for help wasn't Zimmerman's...
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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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Seriously this thread is a good measure of people who really want to insert their foot into their fucking mouth or display an incredible willful ignorance about the case and race relations within law enforcement and the US.
As or right now, there is only one eye-witness that supports Zimmerman's story that he was the one crying for help before he shot Trayvon.
Supermanisdead
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the witnesses were doing handstands at the time is all...
I'm basing this off of his mother's statement, who I assume knows what her child sounds like.
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As of right now they have recorded audio guess who is screaming for help? That's right the victim, Trayvon.
In before she can't be trusted.
And how do you know it's Trayvon?
bobs...onGaf
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Yeah, what gives anyone a right to question someone, or ultimately shoot someone just for 'looking suspicious'. I hope the vigilante gets a long jail sentence.
I am actually shocked that some people seem to think the shooter was at least partially in the right.
Probably his favorite scene from American History X.
another one to add to my ever growing list
Someone didn't listen to the 911 call
Win.
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I'm only white knighting the fact that we don't really have the evidence to say this guys a racist or a murderer. You might say I'm really white knight for due process, but this thread is so ridiculously one sided, it can only look like I'm for Zimmerman. If it turns out he's both, that's great, your opinion turned out to be right just by happenstance. Zimmerman was absolutely in the wrong to pursue Traynor against 911's advice, and doubly wrong for getting out of the car to pursue. Neither of these actions make him a racist or a murder though--the details you are imagining, the gaps you are filling in in your mind is what makes him those things--not any actual facts or evidence. I have provided the details about why he's not necessarily these things many times. You're welcome to drudge them up. If you feel you can discount them with actual evidence and not suppositions, I'd love to read it.
Devolution
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WRONG! He talks about Travyon in the 911 call using a racial slur, so we have evidence that he's a racist. Murder will take more time but they'll indict him soon enough.
Actually, I listened to the 911 tapes. You're just upset with the evidence that I'm presenting.
The fact still remains, the people on the 911 tape didn't see who was calling for help. However, the Witness states that he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was the one crying for help. Add one to your ever growing list? Pay attention to the facts being presented, and don't hate the messenger because you choose to be biased.
Really?! Weren't you the one suggesting that Trayvon was a fucking gang member out on some gang initiation? Why are you still shitting up this thread with your nonsense?
Mortrialus
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What the fuck happened to this thread while I was gone? It was just like, an hour or so.
You missed the part where the police 'corrected' witnesses at the scene.
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The tapes were considered unintelligible last I saw with one side saying he says "coons" and the other side saying he says "punks"
If you're going to trivialize this kids death at least get his name right.
What are the details of this, by the way?
Sure man. Almost a month after his death, with the police finding no evidence of wrong doing and all but closing their investigation, after withholding the 911 calls and any other details, with it taking popular outcry, social media movement, and a news media blitz to get the FBI involved and a grand jury started, due process was really on the ball with this one. Keep fighting that good fight.
I didn't miss that part. Either way, if this case goes to trial, he may stick to his testimony or claim that the police corrected him. Right now, that's his statement and we cannot deny it unless proven otherwise.
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I really didn't, but I'm the racist villain of the thread, so yea I did.
Mortrialus
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Witnesses came out claiming that police refused to take their testimonies. Others claimed that when they gave their testimonies, the police corrected them and their testimonies.
One of the articles linked around the time the PD's handling of things became questionable.
It was your first or second post in the thread.
People aren't gonna just up and forget how you go from black young male to gangs right off the bat.
Plus the whole 'tazer could be mistaken for gun' thing.
poor, delicate, put-upon you. How do you bear it? The cross, I mean. Is it heavy? Does it hurt much?
Devolution
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You should just leave, your very first post out the fucking gate was talking about gang members because the victim in the case was black. Why you even came the fuck back in to put your foot further down your throat with your recent posts I have no idea.
Watch this, listen to your conscience, and then tell me with a straight face that it's "punks" and not a racial slur.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/did-trayvon-martins-shooter-use-slur-in-911-tapes/
Which witnesses and what about their testimonies did the police correct?
Deified Data
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Also, why would a large man with a gun and no compunctions against firing it cry for help when faced with an unarmed kid? Who's going to come help him, and what could they do that he can't already do for himself? Namely shoot the kid dead?
slidewinder
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I can't say for sure what he said but it does sound like he used the racial slur. There is no way the word he used started with a "P"
SimpleDesign
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I just listened to the 911 call...I can not understand how anyone can defend Zimmerman. He's a cold blooded murderer that needs to be removed from society and all those cops need to be let go and never allowed back on the police force.
Watch this:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/20/neighbor-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense/?hpt=ac_t2
Anderson Cooper interview with the neighbors.
Neighbors had window open so they could hear everything, they ran to it the moment the gunshot went off, they found Zimmerman straddling Trayvon's body with his hands on Trayvon's back. Trayvon was face down.
So they don't believe it was self defense.
They didn't hear any fighting at all, and the "altercation" started a few doors down and ended where they found the body.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/20/neighbor-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense/?hpt=ac_t2
Anderson Cooper interview with the neighbors.
Neighbors had window open so they could hear everything, they ran to it the moment the gunshot went off, they found Zimmerman straddling Trayvon's body with his hands on Trayvon's back. Trayvon was face down.
So they don't believe it was self defense.
They didn't hear any fighting at all, and the "altercation" started a few doors down and ended where they found the body.
He can cry for help if he's on his back and when Trayvon is on top of him.
I really doubt Zimmerman would have approached Trayvon if he wasn't for this stupid "stand your grand law." I believe he approached Trayvon thinking he could just shoot him if anything went wrong..
Even though Zimmerman may have the one crying for help, there are still things that are unclear.
1 - Who pushed who first when Martin was on the phone with her girlfriend.
Note: Trayvon had every right to defend himself. It was dark and a guy was following him when Trayvon was trying to escape.
2 - A 13 year old Witness saw an altercation, but then they were on the ground separated from each other.
Zimmerman may have started crying for help when Martin got the upper hand after they were both separated.
Zimmerman sounds like a child confirmed. The fact that you are dismissing the fact that the pd changed a witnesses report of what happened speaks volumes.
EDIT: I guess you're going to dismiss that Anderson Cooper interview too?
Yeah you did. That nonsense had nothing to do with this story, that was just your own made up racist theory.
Was she the only witness who this happened to? Influencing a statement like that is obviously not what the officer should do, but if the motivation to correct the woman stemmed from other eyewitnesses as opposed to his or her own personal sense(or desire) regarding what happened that's an important detail.
bonesmccoy
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I think this is a point that's not being raised enough with all the Zimmerman self-defense arguments. When you have been followed by someone, and then cornered and accosted, you clearly have a right to 'Stand Your Ground'. Surely this would then give Martin every right to 'be on top' of Zimmerman, no?
MightyHealthy
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It's technically old, but in a thread that flies by thanks to wannabe defense lawyers and racism experts, I have no problem with it.
Thanks for the re-up on the link. Even the creators of the "Stand Your Ground" law think Zimmerman is at fault and not warranting the self-defense argument.
I'm not dismissing anything, you're just denying the obvious. A Witness clearly states he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was the one ask for help. As this Witness was going up stairs to call the police, he heard a gunshot. That collaborate with Zimmerman's story.
Now did the police change this Witness report, or the woman's report? Again, there is nothing that suggest the police asked him to change his story. This Witness gave his testimony to a reporter. Only way this might be proven false is if he goes under oat and claims that he police asked him to change his story. But again, you're just assuming something with little support.
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Oh come on. The yells sounded like a kid crying. Do you seriously think Zimmerman would be crying like that? Get the hell out of here. The crying stopped immediately after the bang.
I'm really appalled by some of you. Absolutely disgusting.
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Yes, if a reasonable person would think so. We know from Martin's girlfriend that Martin was placed in fear of Zimmerman by Zimmerman's following Martin, and that Martin even tried to escape the situation by running. If, at the point Zimmerman relocated and approached Martin, a reasonable person in Martin's position could believe that Zimmerman was going to use force against him imminently (regardless of whether Zimmerman did use force or even what Zimmerman's actual intentions were, which is irrelevant to this analysis), then Martin had acquired under Florida law a right to stand his ground and use force against Zimmerman. So even if Martin used force against Zimmerman first, it does not mean that Zimmerman had any right to self-defense under Florida law.
*sigh*
You really have to think about this. Witnesses in their home only heard someone yell for help, they didn't see it. The man that gave that interview to the reporter said he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, and he was the one calling for help.
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