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Kyoufu said:NGP will do similar numbers.
This made me laugh. Kyoufu how is that relevant at all?
Kyoufu said:NGP will do similar numbers.
Yearly releases, running the original concept into the ground. How is it not like what Activision is doing with COD?Izayoi said:You have to be a troll.
szaromir said:Yearly releases, running the original concept into the ground. How is it not like what Activision is doing with COD?
Nuclear Muffin said:Or maybe that the sales are limited by the size of the 3DS userbase? How can you say that the fanbase is unaffected by platform shifts when the series has never shifted platforms before?
How do you know that the shift in platform and the new features/gameplay mechanics that it brings won't spark more interest in the series?
Talk about calling doom and gloom way too early.
How are they running the original concept into the ground?szaromir said:Yearly releases, running the original concept into the ground. How is it not like what Activision is doing with COD?
Did L5 start coming up with original puzzles or are all of them still rehashes of classic puzzles like in the first two games?cw_sasuke said:DLC is free for Layton, a free puzzle for every day.
Holy shit. Does that make the 3DS the best hardware launch ever in Japan?duckroll said:You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Sales are obviously limited by the size of the userbase. This is a launch. But with strong brands, very high attach rates are expected if they can actually make it out at launch. The stronger the brand, the higher the attach rate. It also shows how many fans of that brand are willing to basically buy a new system at launch just to play it.
GC launch week - 133k, Luigi's Mansion - 116k
Xbox launch week - 123k, DoA3 - 84k
PSP launch week - 166k, Minna no Golf - 66k, Ridge Racers - 60k
Wii launch week - 371k, Wii Sports - 176k, Wii Play - 171k, Zelda TP - 145k
These are all better attach rates than Layton 5 on the 3DS.
duckroll said:Yes, every Layton game has sold less than the previous one. Layton 1 had a SHIT TON of legs, and crossed a million eventually. Layton 2 is a little bit behind on that, Layton 3 got to 800k+, and Layton 4 hasn't been able to get to 700k.
Kyoufu said:NGP will do similar numbers.
Layton is a big brand, but at the end its still a casual oriented game which profits more from a higher userbase. This isnt Zelda or your new Mario game at launch. Its not a game i expect gamers to shell out 350 USD just to play it. There arent many strong core 3rd Party IPs which would have sold better at launch in 2 days, and those games which would be able to sell as much like MH,DQ,FF,MG etc. are pretty much always held back till the userbase has grown more.duckroll said:You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Sales are obviously limited by the size of the userbase. This is a launch. But with strong brands, very high attach rates are expected if they can actually make it out at launch. The stronger the brand, the higher the attach rate. It also shows how many fans of that brand are willing to basically buy a new system at launch just to play it.
GC launch week - 133k, Luigi's Mansion - 116k
Xbox launch week - 123k, DoA3 - 84k
PSP launch week - 166k, Minna no Golf - 66k, Ridge Racers - 60k
Wii launch week - 371k, Wii Sports - 176k, Wii Play - 171k, Zelda TP - 145k
These are all better attach rates than Layton 5 on the 3DS.
Mario didnt sold much more on DS even with more days and being a much bigger IP.Super Mario 64 DS 120,062
Monster Hunter Portable 3rd G...where will it go? If that launched with the NGP it certainly would outsell the 3DS. I think it'll be the psps swan song though.MrCookiepants said:Perhaps with a new Monster Hunter at launch.
Otherwise...
Well, DS piracy was a lot less common when Layton 1 was released, I would think.duckroll said:Layton 1 had a SHIT TON of legs, and crossed a million eventually. Layton 2 is a little bit behind on that, Layton 3 got to 800k+, and Layton 4 hasn't been able to get to 700k.
The first game had no original puzzles, the gameplay was primitive for adventure game standards (tapping everything on screen), the second one was the same from what I played, but I gave it back to myfriend after the first 10-15 puzzles as I saw the game wasn't going anywhere.Izayoi said:How are they running the original concept into the ground?
Gorgeous visuals coupled with puzzle-solving and unraveling a larger mystery.
I've yet to finish the third one yet, but every game only seems to get better. From what I've seen of the fourth and fifth, that doesn't look to be changing.
What are you basing these claims on?
It is nothing like what Activision is doing with CoD. You can release a series yearly and have it be good every year. Just because Activision can't do it doesn't mean that Level 5 can't.
Yeesh.
Izayoi said:professorlaytonflippingyouoff.gif
duckroll said:You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Sales are obviously limited by the size of the userbase. This is a launch. But with strong brands, very high attach rates are expected if they can actually make it out at launch. The stronger the brand, the higher the attach rate. It also shows how many fans of that brand are willing to basically buy a new system at launch just to play it.
GC launch week - 133k, Luigi's Mansion - 116k
Xbox launch week - 123k, DoA3 - 84k
PSP launch week - 166k, Minna no Golf - 66k, Ridge Racers - 60k
Wii launch week - 371k, Wii Sports - 176k, Wii Play - 171k, Zelda TP - 145k
These are all better attach rates than Layton 5 on the 3DS.
szaromir said:The first game had no original puzzles, the gameplay was primitive for adventure game standards (tapping everything on screen), the second one was the same from what I played, but I gave it back to myfriend after the first 10-15 puzzles as I saw the game wasn't going anywhere.
You're judging the game based off of the first fifteen puzzles? I'm going to bed.szaromir said:The first game had no original puzzles, the gameplay was primitive for adventure game standards (tapping everything on screen), the second one was the same from what I played, but I gave it back to myfriend after the first 10-15 puzzles as I saw the game wasn't going anywhere.
I'm definitely going to bed.szaromir said:Spectacular scripts...
cw_sasuke said:Layton isnt just about Japan anymore, im sure they are makin more than enough money or they wouldnt even put that much effort in it.
Why should I keep playing that game? To continue solving the same puzzles I did when I was a kid?Izayoi said:You're judging the game based off of the first fifteen puzzles? I'm going to bed.
I only mirrored your argument. Gorgeous visuals is hardly an argument against milking the series.I'm definitely going to bed.
szaromir said:Why should I keep playing that game? To continue solving the same puzzles I did when I was a kid?
I only mirrored your argument. Gorgeous visuals is hardly an argument against milking the series.
Original puzzles?markot said:.... But its a puzzle book game, what more do you want?
szaromir said:Why should I keep playing that game? To continue solving the same puzzles I did when I was a kid?
cw_sasuke said:Layton is a big brand, but at the end its still a casual oriented game which profits more from a higher userbase. This isnt Zelda or your new Mario game at launch. Its not a game i expect gamers to shell out 350 USD just to play it. There arent many strong core 3rd Party IPs which would have sold better at launch in 2 days, and those games which would be able to sell as much like MH,DQ,FF,MG etc. are pretty much always held back till the userbase has grown more.
Famitsu had its first week at 441,485. Higher than 3DS, but its first week also had twice as many days. EDIT: Also worth noting that the top 2 DS performers that week did just barely better than Layton. SM64Ds at 120,062 and WarioWare at 117,677.confuziz said:Great, but little less as NDS right?
Famitsu tends to combine such things.Mockingbird said:Is it possible that Nintendogs + Cats was counted as three separate games and when added together might be higher than Layton?
isnt NGP launching at the end of this year ?Ratrat said:Monster Hunter Portable 3rd G...where will it go? If that launched with the NGP it certainly would outsell the 3DS. I think it'll be the psps swan song though.
Variation of block sliding puzzle, how original.Mockingbird said:I agree the series is being milked, but you did this puzzle when you were a kid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56XEEMZ6Bhw&t=2m35s
nintendogs and layton are both millionsellers on ds.AdventureRacing said:No surprise that the 3DS is selling a ton of HW. Its going to be very intersting to see how software sales go.
There really isn't much software that stands out as a potential big seller.
But again, its not easy to come up with 'original' puzzle types.... In fact its pretty damn hard to come up with a puzzle or puzzle type that hasnt been done, or works.szaromir said:Variation of block sliding puzzle, how original.
farnham said:isnt NGP launching at the end of this year ?
by that time mario kart 3ds, animal crossing 3ds or even pokemon 3ds might be out
all games that are equals or even greater in sales power compared to monster hunter portable
also 3ds has a 6 month head start. i think its doubtful that mhp alone will make ngp outsell 3ds immediately
I was obviously talking about the launch week. I also don't think there will be a MH at launch so don't worry.farnham said:isnt NGP launching at the end of this year ?
by that time mario kart 3ds, animal crossing 3ds or even pokemon 3ds might be out
all games that are equals or even greater in sales power compared to monster hunter portable
also 3ds has a 6 month head start. i think its doubtful that mhp alone will make ngp outsell 3ds immediately
Where is Layton 4?Xater said:If I had to pick a launch title it would be Layton as well. Sucks that the game will take a while to hit the west.
szaromir said:Variation of block sliding puzzle, how original.
duckroll said:Level 5 is spending more and more money on Layton games, and making less and less with each one.
well if ngp doesnt outsell 3ds at launch thats probably because of shortagesRatrat said:I was obviously talking about the launch week. I also don't think there will be a MH at launch so don't worry.
that game didnt even break 500k on much more popular platformsFrom The Dust said:Not bad. I expected Layton third actually; behind Nintendogs and Street Fighter
well at least layton 4 will comeout on the regular ds thenJikagi said:Thoese are pretty good sales. Too bad Layton won't come out at launch in the West since that's what I was going to get.